Topic : 07/05 180-Degree Turn

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Created on : Friday, April 06, 2007, 11:46:56 am
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(Original Air Date: 4/13/07) Dr. Phil follows up with the guests you’ve been dying to see again! The day Karen first appeared on the show, thousands of viewers wrote in with concern and anger over this mother of five who admitted to verbally and physically abusing her kids. Cameras in her home revealed alarming footage of Karen hitting her son, Brandon, while the other children watched. Eight months have passed since Dr. Phil stepped in to stop the abuse. How is this family now? Then, Earl and Regina were doling out thousands of dollars to their freeloading son, Derek. Dr. Phil sent in the Dr. Phil Mooch Squad, which sent Derek crawling out his bedroom window to escape! Now, the family returns, but one member is conspicuously absent. Find out where the moocher is now! Plus, Dr. Phil follows up on a cheapskate husband, a suburban scrooge and a chocoholic!

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July 6, 2007, 6:52 pm PDT

Thank you, rhsweatshirt.

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I hope others can appreciate your experience and your words too. I'm sorry to know that someone else had a childhood like mine. Our scapegoat was one of my brothers, who was sadistically and repetitively tortured by our mother until he was place in a residential facility. That part actually saved his life. No one knew what was going on in our house everyday and we never told anyone. My other brothers and I were also abused but the one was the target for her incredible rage. She also forced us to participate in abusing him.

I chose never to have children as I knew that I couldn't do it, with my background. My brothers have children and although they haven't done a great job of raising them, they are not physically abused. We are all quite damaged from a functional standpoint, but we did survive and each of us has taken a path to recovery that never included forgiving our mother while she was alive.

Watching the video of Karen's other children being witness to the abuse of the boy, reminded me of what that felt like. Such fear, anxiety, panic, etc....those poor children. I sincerely hope that those days are over in their life and that they'll have the chance to know love, forgiveness, and peace as they grow. Without intervention, Karen may have escalated to my mother's level, who knows.

How many others are there?

So, I understand what you experienced. I'm sorry that your twin could not survive and find her way. I hope that you do.

 

 

I hope Karen realizes that what she did and does to her children will always have an effect on them for the rest of their lives.  No one knew back then what was going on in our house, either.  Just like Karen said, "we look normal on the outside."  We were forced to participate in it, just like you were.  We had to clap and cheer while my mother did what she did.  Realy sick.  I really questioned and soul searched whether I wanted to have children because, the way people talk, I just felt sort of doomed to repeat it.  I also was scared of whatever genetic thing she may have had that caused this.  But I have had lots of counseling and a couple of years ago my husband and I adopted two special needs children who had been abused and neglected.  I am very happy to say that I am a good mother and they are never hit or abused by us in any way.  They are the lights our lives.  I love them and cannot imagine how anyone abuses a child.  And they are both four years old (3-1/2 months apart) and they can make me incredibly angry at times, just like all children can make their parents angry at times.  But I just don't hit them.  It's pretty simple.  I'm sorry for what you went through but please know that it helps me personally that you shared your story.  It makes me feel less alone.
 
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July 7, 2007, 10:36 am PDT

than ks

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First ,if at all possible-I realize that therapy costs money- it might benefit you and your husband to get counseling together.A good therapist could help you get yourself together. About having children, you know ,you could break the cycle of abuse that you experienced. I personally think you're a step ahead because you realize how you have been affected by what you went through. You will never be a perfect parent because there are no perfect people. So forget about that. I can't tell you whether or not you should have children. That's a decision you and your husband have to ultimately make. But IMO I wouldn't base the decision on your past, I would base it on the present and future. Let your past go if you can. Face today tomorrow and the future with an open mind and a loving heart.
Thanks so much for your kind words of hope and empathy. I really appreciate what you have said and am going to get some counselling. That is a big step I think, but am terrified for it all that it will not work out and things will be the same as they were. I am very skeptical on this kind of thing ( councelling ) . I guess I just think it won't work very much as I am supposed to fix this myself, not supposed to need help and it signals that I can't deal with my own problems myself and too weak to fix it myself. I struggle with that alot. But I do want to  be a better person and not so trapped by my past so much, I just gotta suck it up and DO IT.
 
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July 9, 2007, 1:42 pm PDT

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The original point was one thing.  Now I feel compelled to make more than one point.  Please read what I write without putting other factors into it.  I was NOT accusing you of being naive.  My intent was to ensure that others reading the board were aware that, beyond the financial incentive, many foster children are abused by the foster parent.

 

My original message was intended for the original poster to reply.  I had hoped she was so sincere in her desire to care for the children that she would have defended herself vigorously.

 

I do find it interesting that you defended her (a sincere good for you), yet she didn't respond.  Of course that can mean she didn't want to "dignify" my message.  It is equally likely that she was one of the ones who needs to be targeted.  As a foster parent, I felt her reaction was important since so many are ready to throw the woman on the show into the fire. 

 

You used the term "sarcastic".  With all due respect, the word is not appropriate here.  My terminology was not intended to be offensive.  It was intended and reached the point of bringing up the issue of foster parenting.  If I (for example) were disabled to the point that I received Social Security Disability payments, it would not be sarcastic for someone to ask about those payments in light of documented cases of abuse within that system.  My response would have been to simply state that the benefits are far less than the monies received through employment and, since they are accompanied by great physical pain and the emotional effect of being viewed by some as a side show freak, the money would happily be given up for full health.

 

I hope this will show you what my intent was.  Clearly I was not effective.  In that light, you have my apology since you appear to have been the person who felt wounded by my message.  In no way did I intend to disparage the many fine foster parents in this country.  I did, however, fully intend to offend those who are not in it for the benefit of the child or children.  I think you would agree with that.

 

I could continue at length on this subject since I do see the foster care institution in action on a daily basis, but I will pass on that for now. 

I appreciate your apology and I hope you will accept mine as well!! Because I feel that I jumped the gun also and maybe took your comment out of context. I see what your intent was by your above post, and I agree with alot of what you're saying. We have more in common than what we thought don't we?? So let's just accept each other''s apologies and move on!!!
 
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July 13, 2007, 9:27 pm PDT

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me too
 
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July 14, 2007, 11:42 am PDT

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But I get the fact that this women recognizes that she needs help. She wrote DrP that she needs help. The family came on the show and bared thier souls to the world. Think about the fact that these kids are probably afraid that anything they do or say negatively will show thier mom in a bad light. They are probably on thier guard most of the time. They know that thier mom is making an effort to do better. They're probably aware that IF she should regress that they will be taken away from her. They are probably trying to put forth an effort to show a happy home. ( I believe that thier home IS happier. I just think they are afraid that if they say something negative they will be taken away)I personally believe that thier parents ARE trying to make a change because they not only want to keep thier family together, they want to treat thier children better too.

You may be correct, but I was so horrified and angry when I saw this show.  It really broke my heart. 

 

Thanks for helping me to look at this in another light, just not over my emotions yet.  I pray that the children will be alright.

 
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July 16, 2007, 4:34 am PDT

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I appreciate your apology and I hope you will accept mine as well!! Because I feel that I jumped the gun also and maybe took your comment out of context. I see what your intent was by your above post, and I agree with alot of what you're saying. We have more in common than what we thought don't we?? So let's just accept each other''s apologies and move on!!!
Excellent idea and thank you.
 
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July 29, 2007, 12:48 pm PDT

I have been unable to get this out of my mind for months

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this, so called mother, should have her childrent taken away from her.  just have supervised visitation rights.  and she needs to take anger management classes!

I entirely agree with you.  The pain those kids endured is shocking.  The fact that this is what happened on camera makes me wonder what happened when the cameras weren't there.  These poor kids.  I don't trust that this mother (and father) will make this last.  I don't believe that the kids can be sincere in their feelings about improvements.  They are kids afterall, and they are glad that mommy stopped hurting them.  But, do they understand why it happened (if that even matters)?  As kids are they even supposed to know why it matters.  I hope the kids get LOTS OF INDIVIDUAL as well as FAMILY THERAPY.  A good therapist is their only hope of their rage, confusion and feelings of blame and inadequacy that may be just under the surface.  These kids have to learn what love is, not just  what love is not.  I still play those tapes over and over in my head, hearing the cries of that little boy.  I hope someone is truly rescuing him and his siblings and that Dr. Phil's resources stay with them a long time.
 

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