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Topic : 07/05 180-Degree Turn

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Created on : Friday, April 06, 2007, 11:46:56 am
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(Original Air Date: 4/13/07) Dr. Phil follows up with the guests you’ve been dying to see again! The day Karen first appeared on the show, thousands of viewers wrote in with concern and anger over this mother of five who admitted to verbally and physically abusing her kids. Cameras in her home revealed alarming footage of Karen hitting her son, Brandon, while the other children watched. Eight months have passed since Dr. Phil stepped in to stop the abuse. How is this family now? Then, Earl and Regina were doling out thousands of dollars to their freeloading son, Derek. Dr. Phil sent in the Dr. Phil Mooch Squad, which sent Derek crawling out his bedroom window to escape! Now, the family returns, but one member is conspicuously absent. Find out where the moocher is now! Plus, Dr. Phil follows up on a cheapskate husband, a suburban scrooge and a chocoholic!

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April 13, 2007, 1:33 pm PDT

04/13 180-Degree Turn

Let me start by making it clear that it was definitely wrong how she was treating her children. Now, that I've said that I just want to say that the kids were not the only victims here.  Instead of judging the woman on losing her sanity maybe people should try to give her a helping hand. I am so glad that Dr. Phil was wise enough to see that this woman needed help.  You can tell that she didn't want to do those things. She didn't know what to do or how to get the situation under control.  She needed help and a lot of time people are more compassionate to children than they are the parents struggling to raise their children.  I was a VERY difficult child and my parents did not know how to handle me nor were they raised as to how to properly handle stress, etc. My parents are loving and giving parents whom were overwhelmed with my behavior and the lack of skills to handle it.  This woman obviously was not taught how to correctly correct her children and needed help. She is not the abuser that everyone has made her out to be but rather a mom whom loves her children and didn't know how to handle her feelings of being overwhelmed with the situation and was crying out for help. 

 
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April 13, 2007, 1:34 pm PDT

Karen

I am glad Karen's kids are out of danger, however, I feel they have been through hell. I am angry Karen played the ''postpartem depression'' card. I feel this is a way for her to not have full accountability for the horrific actions. She gave herself full permission to lash out at her children and it is not excusable for her to drum up a very overused diagnosis in order to make herself feel better and have everyone say ''Oh, it was not her fault.'' I am a great mom who gets angry and frustrated sometimes, however, I do not allow myself to yell at my kids, degrade them, or hit them. So my question is....Where is my trip to Disney Land?
 
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April 13, 2007, 1:35 pm PDT

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I am replying with the most of you.  I am glad Karen says she has changed, but it is one thing to say you have changed and another to show it.  If she loved her children as much as the rest of us she would have never treated them they way she did.  i love my child very much and I am very thankful I have him, and I would never think of hitting my child or even screaming at him.

 

My other comment is about Derrick.  He was the moocher.  I am glad he decided to get off his broke bum and get a job.  I would like to know what city and state he is a firefighter in and if he is single.  Lord knows I am and I am looking for a good man.

Well, thank goodness the rest of the world does not come to a complete stop with responses like this.  Be a part of the solution and not the problem....being negative instead of encouraging someone in their efforts to better themselves is a short leash to be putting yourself on.  After all, one day your children will come to you for advice and will you give them an answer like this one or will you give them advice and encouragement to build their confidence and show you support? 

 

You make it sound as if she was this horrible and hateful woman from the get-go and you are so much a better parent than she is.  Sorry, there is no such thing as the perfect parent, but we all do our best.  Take yourself off that high horse with a comment like, "I am replying to most of you." 

 
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April 13, 2007, 1:37 pm PDT

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So i thought Derek was cute the first time around when he was on the show but now seeing the update I am offically attracted to him...my fathers a firefighter and would LOVE for me to date a firefighter as well...HOOK IT UP DR PHIL!!!!

Simmer down, girl! Woah
 
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April 13, 2007, 1:38 pm PDT

Good for Her!

I come from an abusive household.  I was actually placed in State custody when I was 8.  It was the most traumatic experience of my life.  My mother (the abuser) and I are very close now.  I wish she could have had treatment without me being removed from my home.  For those of you who think she doesn't deserve to be a mother I think that's extremely judgmental.  I'd like to make it clear that none of what they were doing was right, it was all wrong and very upsetting to watch.   However, I commend them for coming forward, they could have continued to keep this a secret.  They had to face what deters most people from revealing their inner demons and that's the harsh judgment , whether warranted or not, that one has to face on the road to recovery.  I commend them for coming forward and taking personal responsibility and changing their lives.  The anger in watching what was going on is warranted, but in any case where a family can be rehabilitated than society should be willing to help instead of cast away.  In many Third World Countries their poverty may get them most of their recognition but there is research that shows that many communities (tribal communities) that raise families together in a socially supportive atmosphere have far less rates of post partum depression and abuse.  I'm glad that these children and this family was given the opportunity to find help and support from some wonderful providers who saw treatment and success as the most optimal solution to this family's problems and not destruction and separation.  I hope this works  our for them for an eternity.  Best of luck and wishes. 
 
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April 13, 2007, 1:40 pm PDT

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I watched the show when it first aired and I also watched the update today.  I'm really wondering if there are many other moms out there who are going through what Karen went through, not knowing that there could be a problem like PPD and not even know it.  I know from being a mom of four that things can get a little crazy at times especially when Dad's always working and it's just you and the kids.  All I'm saying is that Karen isn't the only one going through these kinds of things and although my situation isn't physically violent, sometimes the verbal abuse can get out of line.  Who else out there is sitting, watching and judging this women and living in similar situations????  It's wrong people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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April 13, 2007, 1:40 pm PDT

She's not alone

I know what this mother is going through. I haven't expressed my feelings or showed my anger to anybody but my therapist so I know this rage. I was abused when I was younger by my father and I saw the anger and learned that anger. My mother was strong enough to leave him for my safety.  I had to go to therapy for many years to learn how to control my anger. It was taught to me by my father when most children learn the most - the first 3 years.

 

 I waited to have children because I knew that I would hurt them. I now  have a daughter and I plan to have at least one more child. I am so fortunate to have waited until I was in my 30's and to get the help that I needed to start my family. My family is so precious to me that I can't imagine hurting them. I will probably go back to therapy to help me cope with the everyday tasks but I promise to myself that I will never hurt anybody.

 

I feel extremely sorry for this poor woman because she is sick.  I'm very glad that she is getting the help that she needs.

 
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April 13, 2007, 1:50 pm PDT

No One is Perfect

Yes, Karen made mistakes.  She also appeared on national tv advertising her mistakes.  I've been on national tv (oprah)  and I think Karen is very brave.

 

Also, EVERYONE has done bad or stupid things...either as a parent or in other aspects of their lives.  She was willing and did get help.  I think most of us would be suprised to see ourselves in our worst moments on tv.  It's like....is that really me??   The viewer who posted to the message board and then appeared on the show... is a great example of a society that gets off in shoving someone when they are already down.  NO ONE is perfect.  EVERYONE makes mistakes.  Karen was on the show....to get help.  I say great job!  I love the phrase from Opah "When you know better, you do better!

:) Jennifer

p.s. Not that is it any of my business, but she and her family DO deserve a trip to Disney World.  For those of you whining about it, take your most emabarrassing problem and go on national tv, get help, report back on national tv, and listen to pious people cast judgement upon you.  Karen did receive help via Dr Phil, but she also was on a show that makes $$ and does not pay it's guests......so sending them to Disney World is a descent gesture.

 
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April 13, 2007, 1:50 pm PDT

04/13 180-Degree Turn

What I see in Karen is a very overwhelmed mother who needs help.  Not just mentally but also phsycially too!  Hey husband, get her a maid!
 
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April 13, 2007, 1:51 pm PDT

04/13 180-Degree Turn

Quote From: flrat69

Why are so many people still anxious to stone this woman?  She was parenting very badly.  She came on the show (exposing her failings to the world) and got help.  She worked at improving herself and succeeded.  What a terrible thing to do!  This does prove one thing for me, if i had ever doubted it.  This society loves to gang up on people.  We love to tell others what's wrong with them.  Then, if they work to be better, we discount that too.  What a vindictive bunch!
You are completely right and I know it all too well personally...I was a very moody depressed and angry teen. I have made my own 180 degree turn and I still get treated like I was 12 years ago by some people...
 
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