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Topic : 07/05 180-Degree Turn

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(Original Air Date: 4/13/07) Dr. Phil follows up with the guests you’ve been dying to see again! The day Karen first appeared on the show, thousands of viewers wrote in with concern and anger over this mother of five who admitted to verbally and physically abusing her kids. Cameras in her home revealed alarming footage of Karen hitting her son, Brandon, while the other children watched. Eight months have passed since Dr. Phil stepped in to stop the abuse. How is this family now? Then, Earl and Regina were doling out thousands of dollars to their freeloading son, Derek. Dr. Phil sent in the Dr. Phil Mooch Squad, which sent Derek crawling out his bedroom window to escape! Now, the family returns, but one member is conspicuously absent. Find out where the moocher is now! Plus, Dr. Phil follows up on a cheapskate husband, a suburban scrooge and a chocoholic!

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April 13, 2007, 2:03 pm PDT

This is more common then you think.....

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I have only watched the first five minutes of this show and my stomache aches.  I can't even put my feelings into words other than to say that.  Nor can I imagine the absolute terror that those children had to have been feeling while that woman was ATTACKING them!!!!  I'M AFRAID OF HER!!!!!!  Take those children off of her so someone can start counseling them and help them work past the damage this woman has done BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE FOR THOSE KIDS!!!!  I have a hard time believing she's "reformed". Those children have to still worry daily,  I'm sure, about whether or not "Mommie's gonna snap" again.  Where's Child Services?? 

There are many more kids experiencing this problem and moms and dads not interested in getting help.  Add alcohol and drugs to the mix and you really have a mess.

 

Karen and her family are not some odd family that experiences this by themselves.  There are many many kids who experience the same things by parents who DO NOT want help.

 

So, lighten up!

 
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April 13, 2007, 2:10 pm PDT

04/13 180-Degree Turn

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I have only watched the first five minutes of this show and my stomache aches.  I can't even put my feelings into words other than to say that.  Nor can I imagine the absolute terror that those children had to have been feeling while that woman was ATTACKING them!!!!  I'M AFRAID OF HER!!!!!!  Take those children off of her so someone can start counseling them and help them work past the damage this woman has done BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE FOR THOSE KIDS!!!!  I have a hard time believing she's "reformed". Those children have to still worry daily,  I'm sure, about whether or not "Mommie's gonna snap" again.  Where's Child Services?? 
Keep watching...you'll see. Child services does get involved and they all get help and they all get on a really healthy path...Yes, there is still healing going on, but how about applauding someone for turning it around when SO MANY people NEVER do!
 
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April 13, 2007, 2:20 pm PDT

04/13 180-Degree Turn

 I was so sick to my stomach when I saw the mom abusing her kids. Her son was BEGGING her to stop hitting him. I cant explain the anger i had toward the mom.

 But on the other hand I must admit it must been hard for her to go on your show and to tell the world her story.

 I just hope its not to late to help the kids so they wont grow up having the same behaviors as the mom did.

 I  dont understand how the father didnt know any of it was going on , wasnt he ever home?

I wish there family all the luck.

 
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April 13, 2007, 2:22 pm PDT

Good Job Karen!

Kudos to that entire family.  I agree with the therapist that it took immense courage to ask for help in the first place & to take the well deserved criticism of her actions.  Great job!
 
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April 13, 2007, 2:22 pm PDT

ANXIETY - SELF HATRED - RAGE - REVENGE - SELF ABUSE

Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is a serious psychological disorder characterized by pervasive instability in moods, interpersonal relationships, self-image, and behavior.  This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual's sense of self-identity. 

 

While less known than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), BPD is more common, affecting 2% of adults (1-33), mostly women.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are:

 

 

The Psychology of Female Violence by Anna Motz

 

Get Me Out of Here:  My Recovery from Borderline Personality Disorder by Rachel Reiland OR The Angry Heart:  Overcoming Borderline and Addictive Disorders by Joseph Santoro and Ronald Cohen

 

Understanding the Borderline (Parent) Mother:  Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson 

 

Surviving A Borderline Parent:  How to Heal Your Childhood Wounds and Build Trust, Boundaries, and Self-Esteem by Kimberlee Roth and Freda Friedman OR Stop Walking on Eggshells:  Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Know Has Borderline Personality Disorder by Paul Mason and Randi Kreger

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm

 

 

 

Some of the story is typical:  early family conflicts, abusive relationships, feelings of insecruity contributing to destructive behaviors such as rage attacks, manipulations, promiscuity, self abuse and eating disorders.  The extreme behaviors of BPD constitute the high drama in the stories of those who endure its ravages.

 

Though harder to spot, emotional abuse is easier to deny.  But just as physical and sexual abuse have signposts to mark their presence, emotional abuse, being a systematic attack on one's sense of self, has common traits.  Just as physical and sexual abuse come in degrees of severity, emotional abuse runs the gamut of intensity and damage.

 

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

 
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April 13, 2007, 2:24 pm PDT

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I'm so happy for the kids, you can  tell from the childrens eyes the change is real. some people never get. At 47 I still do not have a good relationship with my mother who was 10 time worse then this mother. Thank God someone step up to the plate to save this kids and the Parents who made the decided to listen to Dr Phil and take the help. GREAT JOB EVERYONE this really brought tears to my eyes. Happy Tears because Yes Girls Cry.
 
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April 13, 2007, 2:25 pm PDT

You are to be commended Karen

Karen, you are so much like many other women who are suffering behind the scenes in secret. They are carrying the burden of trying to raise children and feeling so inadequate - working from poor self-esteem issues and possibly poor child rearing skills passed on from their own parents.  I know your pain and I was right there with you with my own children at one point.  I realized I was out of control though and I got myself and my family the help we needed through counceling and other means. It really does make a difference.  I really appreciate your bravery - your tremendous bravery to expose yourself like this on National T.V. - I know it was not easy at all, but you did what you knew you needed to do in order to help yourself and your family.  I applaud you for making such an honorable effort.

My parents were abusive in many ways toward me and my siblings - so I had all that to contend with and the overwhelming anger - but I have to tell you this.  I love my mother so very much now - we are very close.  You don't need to worry about your children not trusting you or loving you in the future because they will understand and they will love you more than life itself when they are adults.  They will appreciate your heroic efforts that you are taking right now as well.  My parents did the best they could considering what they had to work with and that wasn't much - they both came from highly disfunctional alcoholic parents and this was at a time when there was no help available to them.  I understand all this now and I saw my mother's incredible strength when she was raising us in the fact that she did not drink or become an alcoholic herself.  She always told us she would never do to her kids, what her mother did to her.  Her mother went off on drinking benges and spent every penny on booze - to the point - my mother at age 14 had to get a job at the corner drug store just so she and her younger siblings would have food to eat.  I have total compassion for her and I love her dearly. I admire my mother tremendously -even though this is the same woman who once hit me and slashed me across my back and legs with a wire coat hanger right before she had a nervous break down.  I forgave my mother because I know now that she really could not help herself.  She had too much pain inside to deal with and that was the only way she could let it out.  I'm not dead and I am a stronger person for having gone through it, because it definitely taught me to forgive. Forgiveness is a strong medicine.  It is the hardest lesson sometimes to learn - especially when you have to forgive yourself - you forgive yourself not only for you though - you forgive yourself for the sake of others around you, so they can benefit from the healing process that it brings as well. 

There is so much more I could say about my mother - what a Lady and what a woman she is - she was on the board of the American Cancer Society in Dallas and she helped to organize and start the first Walk-a-thon for the March of Dimes along with many other benevolent and charitable efforts.  She took that pain and suffering from her own life and turned it around for good to help thousands. She has actually been honored to be named "Woman of the Year".  She has done a great deal and she is a constant source of inspiration to me and my sister by showing us always that we can rise above our circumstances no matter how hard they are. I never allowed myself to have an excuse for why I could not do something.  Mother always said, "You can do anything you set your mind to do".  I know thats true, because she did and I don't know that I will ever come close to being "Woman of the Year", but I am at least doing my best to follow in her footsteps now.

You are doing a very great thing even now for so many other woman. You just don't know it yet, but You Go Girl and you keep up the good work.

I Salute You,


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April 13, 2007, 2:30 pm PDT

Courageous Karen!

Karen,

I give you a ton of credit for the courage it took to face your demons on national television. I am sorry you were suffering from post partum depression and your kids were suffering along with you as a result. What tremendous integrity you have to take that cold, hard look at yourself (in front of an audience) and take the gut wrenching steps you have for the benefit of yourself and your whole family! God Bless You and the kids. You did the right thing! 

 
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April 13, 2007, 2:34 pm PDT

Dad

Also, Dad is to be highly commended for the steps he took to support his wife, and as a result, his family. How many men have the guts and the wisdom to take time off from work to get the family in order when there is a crisis? This is one family that did not stand around and look passively to society to fix their problems. God Bless the solid ground this family is walking on now!

 

 

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April 13, 2007, 2:45 pm PDT

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That is one incredible message.  This is the sort of message that dominated the board after the first show.  Talk about a time warp!  Don't you realize that all the things you're angry about are past?   When someone who was doing such a poor job of mothering has the courage to come on the show to start with, then takes all the heat she did from all of us, then has the guts and the where with all to actually get the message and change, we should all applaud her.  When she was wrong, we beat her up.  Now she's changed, so let's give her credit.  If you doubt it, look into the faces of her kids in the first show and then this one.  What a difference!  If we can't acknowledge those who change for the better, we are as bad as they were before.  Now we're abusing her. 

You do realize that this current show didn't air atleast for me until about 37 minutes ago. I wrote that message VERY ANGRY and few days ago. How would I know if she changed at all at that time. I hope to go she did change, sad that it took her 10 years of abusing her children to get the help, sad that for 10 years no one around her saw it or if they really did see it didn't do anything to stop it. I personally don't care about this woman, the only thing that is important are those children, and she better have changed and stays that way. I'm very harsh when it comes to this topic of child care. Children are so important and it does anger me to see them being mistreated so badly. And just cause something happened in the past long or short time its important, cause it effects the future.

 
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