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Created on : Friday, April 13, 2007, 03:12:42 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/18/07) Fistfights in the living room, black eyes, stitches, a father punching a 17-year-old, a mother wrestling a 15-year-old to the floor … What do you do when you have no control over your teenager? Parents face off against teens in what Dr. Phil calls “one of the most disgusting displays of bad behavior on both sides that I have seen in years.” Brenda and Jim are constantly at war with Brenda’s three sons, Koltin, 17; and twins Austin and Dustin, 15. They say the teens have punched holes in the walls, physically attacked their stepfather and left home for days at a time! Brenda and Jim disagree on how to discipline their out-of-control teens and are even headed toward divorce because of it. How can they save the boys and their marriage? Then, meet a judge who believes creative punishments have the most impact. Judge Cicconetti doles out punishments that cause embarrassment and teach a lesson, such as making a teenager who stole a pornographic video sit blindfolded outside the store with a sign that reads “See no evil.” Opponents say creative punishments are abusive and cause more harm than good. What does Dr. Phil think? Join the discussion.

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April 18, 2007, 1:32 pm PDT

04/18 Wrongful Punishment

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    Any of you teachers out there please band with me requesting Dr. Phil to address the issue of classroom discipline , especially when dealing with kids coming from these very dysfunctional homes.

 

Thanks

As a middle school teacher of 11 years, I couldn't agree more with you.

 
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April 18, 2007, 1:32 pm PDT

Of course

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when i first read your post i got the impression that your story was completely different then the story that was on today.... I gave you the benifit of the doubt and it sounded like your son just has some anger in him that the reason for just hasn't been found for yet. I know this happens because I was very angry growing up until I finally found out why. But then I read your last couple of paragraphs. Now maybe you don't "attack" your kid but you sure made it sound like you do.

The point is Those parents taught those boys that any time there is any issue big or small the way you deal with it is to start a full on boxing match! So yes it is the parents fault because they taught then how to deal with conflict.

Hopefully for you and your child you can put aside the anger you have built up and put aside all the justifications you have and realy listen to Dr. Phil.

Believe me i know for a fact how hard that can be, and I will say that I know how you feel my son is also 13 and he can drive me to absolute madness but it's been alot better since I let go and started seeing how he was mirroring my reactions to his "nonsence".

good luck

Nixi

I agree with Nixi.  It completely sounds like you attack your kid. Why do you think he is like this? Do you think he just woke up one day and decided to act like this? No, it was taught, and shown by example. Yes the things he has done are reprehensible, but when is it EVER OK to put your hands on a child????? And YES, these are children! I COMPLETELY agreed with Dr. Phil when he said that he felt like he was dealing with a houseful of 6 children. GROW UP!! If you treat someone with respect, sooner or later it will be reciprocated.

Good luck to you, but to start the change, first realize where it started please.

 

Tracy

 
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April 18, 2007, 1:34 pm PDT

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You know what the real issue is here?? Its that parents dont really want to deal with the real issues or take time with their kids...so we live in a world where kids spend 99% of the time on the internet and in front of a playstation...and kids model their parents behavior react to them with anger and violence and you will get the same right back eventually. You cant park your kids infront of a video game and a TV and then all of a sudden wonder why they are the way they are....if you dont PARENT your kids from DAY ONE....look out, because it is your own fault. These parents are to blame...and that is the BIG issue in this whole country, the parents never seem to take the blame...its not them, its rap music, its not them its video games or tv....own up to your responsiblities as parents and turn the tv off get the computer off and spend some time PARENTING your kids instead of using these things as a babysitter.
 
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April 18, 2007, 1:38 pm PDT

A consequence that lasts a life time

I am currently watching the show on Wrongful Punishments. It has saddened my heart beyond belief. I was appalled by what I saw, however, know how the parents feel, as our home was on the verge of becoming much like theirs. When Dr. Phil brought out the boys and introduced 15 year old Dustin, I cried. I had a 15 year old Dustin and he was smart and articulate like the young man on the show. Our son's behavior, although not as bad as what I saw on the show, was headed in that direction. It never got that far because my Dustin is dead. He committed suicide on January 9th of this year. Every time I yelled; every time I called him a name; and every time I laid a hand on him - I think about the message that I was telling my son who decided he wanted to leave this world. That is a guilt I hope NO other parent EVER has to feel. I hope Dr. Phil can help this family and I hope everyone who watched the show will never treat their children like that again!  Lisa
 
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April 18, 2007, 1:39 pm PDT

KIDS WILL RAISE THEMSELVES???

Are you KIDDING? She already figured out WHERE she went wrong. Now, she needs to know WHEN. From day one! I hope this serves as a great big warning to any parent out there, that you have to start parenting right from the start and setting down rules and drawing boundaries. It usually turns into an ugly mess if you don't establish  'hands off' policy for the step parent . The truth is, far too many women abdicate their responsibility. Women need to step up to the plate because there's FAR too much of this problem going on.
 
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April 18, 2007, 1:42 pm PDT

04/18 Wrongful Punishment

 

OK, I'm really new at this, but here goes!!!

i just want to say i DO NOT agree when dr phil says that step-parents have not say in discipline or punishment!!! i grew up in a home where there where step children and now have a home where children who are not by biological children live, and i whole heartily believe that i have every rite to punish them and should respect me in the same way they do their father!!! i make my child mind and respect him and i believe they should be made to do the same!!!  None of this 'my mom said", or "my dad said", this is whats wrong with children today!!! they believe if they don't like what they are told they can just go to someone else, then someone else until they get the answer they want or they just don't behave at all!!!! 

i am aware every situation is different but if we as adults make the decision to have a blended family WE have to be adult enough to collectively make proper decisions and proper punishments for ALL the children involved!!!! WE are the adults and until WE make children respect and mind they will continue to behave in whatever way they wish. this does not just apply to blended families but parents in general, because just take a look at the way we were made to act and behave compared to the the way most of the children of today act and behave and show respect!!!

now that i have said my peace I'll quit going on & on!!  thanks for listening (reading!!) my opinion!!

 
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April 18, 2007, 1:43 pm PDT

I agree with D.r. Phil

I'm a recent graduate of a science degree in psychology and am currently a social work student in Canada. I've done extensive work with both the elderly and youth at risk that were seen on todays show. I've stood and experienced alot of the "whats behind the crime". Moreover as a young adult I've had many an older adult approach me in the street to tell me exactly "how my generation has respect for nothing".

 

I have to say that most time I disagree with this show and most times it makes my insides hurt. However, today I agree fully with the last segment of this show. I agree with many of the points said from all three people.

 

There are mountains of research telling us how corporal punishment as seen in todays show does not work. Its important to remember that controlling as well as permissive parenting results in poor behaviour from youth. Corporal punishment fosters the disrespectful behaviour seen in today's show. As adults we need to do better. Youth model what they see and unfortunately the media both sensationalizes and dramatizes youth crime without providing the background information. Many of the youth we see in the news have had less then optimal upbringings. Furthermore the crimes we see are often the symtoms of this upbringing.  For this reason I do agree with the women who said it is so important to take into account what is behind the crime. I do relieze that not everyone who is brought up in less then optimal circumstances commits crimes, however it is safe to say that those who do not have had a buffer such as access to education or social support elsewhere. I believe that if society took a look at the parents and our culture we would find we all have a lack of respect for people.

 

Prison and incarceration benefits no one. The current system is dysfunctional in many ways. The government money invested in both Canada and the States is invested in a reactive manner. The problem with this is that we will run out of resources before we ever solve anything. We need to look at reinvesting the funds in a proactive manner. This judge that was on the show (while I disagree with some of the punishments for the same reason the woman disagreed) needs to be applauded. While his punishments are handed down in a reactive manner they are proactive in nature.

 

Furthermore we need to relieze that as a society we are all responsible for each other. It cannot strictly be the "parents fault". We need to consider the support and the circumstances of many families living in North America. As a society we are extremely punitive in nature. Being punitive does not allow the person to learn from their crime or see the impact or it. This is another reason why I believe and advocate for restorative and creative justice. We are very quick to point fingers and throw our hands up. The reality is however is that this becomes cyclic in nature. We must work together to support our youth and parents and to intervene much earlier then we are.

 

We must begin to move away from corporal punishment and a punitive justice system. We must begin to be proactive in nature. Educate our parents, allow our youth a real voice in their communities and actually take their opinions into account and provide the resources and support to the people living in our communities as well as the ACCESS to these supports.  We must begin rasing our children in the manner outlined in the UN Convention on the rights of the child. In other words we must raise our children with respect to their rights and in a fashion that does not violate their rights. Educate them in their rights, raise them in this manner and they will learn how to be responsible leaders. And as a spin off reseach shows there are many spin offs to this....such as a decline in bullying which has gained recent media attention. Educate yourselfs in the rights of the child. Gain new prospectives.

 

I believe when youth grow up in households were corporal punishment is a constant and in communities where they hear  and are generalized as being irresponisble and disrespectful and have no participation rights or a voice we are contributing and fostering the problem. We run the risk of a enabling youth to fulfill a self-fulfilling prophecy. If thats all they hear and all they ever see.....it is what they will become.

 

Please lets stop hitting our kids. Show respect for everyone and you will get respect in return. Raise your children so that they know they have rights, know what they are and make sure their rights are not violated.

 

As a society we know its wrong to treat WOMEN as PROPERTY....To treat individuals of a different race or religion as PROPERTY. Why is it ok to treat our CHILDREN as PROPERTY.

 

So bravo to Dr. Phil for advocating for a less punitive society.

 

A Concerned Canadian Young Adult.

 
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April 18, 2007, 1:46 pm PDT

I CAN'T BELEIVE WHAT I AM SEEING AND HEARING!!!

I AM WATCHING THE SHOW WHILE TYPING AND TAKNG BREAKS TO TYPE DURRING THE COMMERCIALS!! I CAN'T BELEIVE THIS WOMAN!! AND THE STEP FATHER ISN'T MUCH BETTER!! THESE KIDS WON'T RAISE THEMSELVES, AND THEY DON'T NEED FRIENDS...THEY HAVE ENOUGH FRIENDS!! THEY NEED A PARENT!! I AM NOT THE PERFECT PARENT  BY ANY MEANS, AND I HAVE MADE MY SHARE OF MISTAKES, BUT I WAS ABLE TO RAISE A RESPECTFUL, AND PRODUCTIVE CITIZEN!! THESE KIDS HAVE NO CHANCE OF BEING ANYTHING BUT THUGS IF THINGS DON'T CHANGE!! ALL THEY ARE LEARNGING IS TO GET WHAT YOU WANT IS TO DO IT BY VIOLENCE AND WE HAVE ENOUGH VIOLENCE IN THIS WORLD. I WATCHED SOME MORE AND THINK THAT DR. PHIL'S ADVICE AND SOLUTION TO THIS FAMILY'S PROBLEM IS A GOOD ONE AND AT LEAST A START.
 
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April 18, 2007, 1:53 pm PDT

stupid woman!

Would she rather send them to jail??? Obviously, her kid was embarrassed, and her child has hurt feelings. PEOPLE ARE THEIR BEHAVIOR!!!!! Hurt feelings are better than getting beat up or raped in jail or juvie.
 
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April 18, 2007, 1:54 pm PDT

04/18 Wrongful Punishment

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     I just started watching the show, will these kids be taken away from their parents for this type of abuse? I can't believe what I am watching, I hope something is done to help and protect these teenagers
WHYATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT,  protect those teens? looked like to me the step dad was the one needing protection, talk about kids gone wild  lol, they really just need a really good ass whipping!
 
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