Topic : 08/29 Moms Gone Wild

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Created on : Friday, April 13, 2007, 03:14:02 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/19/07) Some moms don’t want to grow up, and others don’t want to grow old. Dr. Phil talks to women walking on the wild side and tries to rein them back in! Aubrey says her sister, Elise, would rather drink and party every night than take care of her 8-year-old son. Their mom, Heidi, is raising Elise’s child and says Elise wants to be a parent only when it’s convenient for her. Elise promises her family that she’s going to change, but what will it take for her to get her act together? Dr. Phil has a shocking proposition for her. Then, Greg says his wife, Lisa, is obsessed with plastic surgery and worries that it’s becoming a disease. He says she works at a plastic surgeon’s office just to get a better deal on surgery. Lisa, 39, admits that she’s spent nearly $100,000 on cosmetic procedures so she can look as young as her 21-year-old daughter and wants even more work done. Can Greg convince his wife to stop going under the knife? Talk about the show here.

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April 22, 2007, 11:54 am PDT

Elise and Heidi

Elise said she would not stoop so low as to take her own son in a car with her when she has been drinking, but I guess she thinks it is just dandy to put other sons and daughters (and mothers, fathers, etc.) at risk of death if/when she hits them in one of her drunken driving stupors.  Lock her up! 

 

Her poor little boy!!!  He just wants a mommy.  (Did they ever say where his daddy was?  Maybe he is the better parent and should be considered?) Heidi is doing Elise no favors by letting Elise live in her home.  Dr. Phil talks about commando parenting, and this is a case where some is needed.  The child does not need Elise in his life in her current state, and even though she is now going to treatment-- that is just false hope until (if ever) Elise gets her $h!t together.  Heidi needs to give Elise the boot- get her OUT of that pig stye she calls a room, and let her fend for herself, good, bad, or otherwise.  Maybe if she had to stand on her own two feet, she would. 

 

For Elise to give up custody of her son tells you she is not much interested in his well-being, just what is easy for her.  That she said it was for insurance purposes was a completely lame excuse.  Most mothers would fight tooth and nail to keep their child, insurance or not, but not Elise.  That little boy must be crushed knowing he can be given away when it is not convenient for his mother to keep him.  He has probably heard every sorry excuse in the book from that drunken egg-doner of his, and likely still keeps hoping she will one day show him some small measure of love, throw him a crumb.  He is damaged goods thanks to his own mother, and also in part thanks to his grandmother who needs to get a spine.  Will he ever be able to have a loving relationship with a woman after having his soul crushed so many times by Mommy?  She is a pig, and does not deserve to even be in her son's life.  She will continue to wallow in her nastiness and continue to disappoint the little guy.  I will pray for him.  What a tragic life he is living now.  Maybe he will look at what IS and think about what COULD BE when he is a grown-up and has some measure of power in his life.  Until then, he is at their mercy. 

 

While I am in favor of treatment, now the little boy will get dragged to some strange institutional visiting room to see his mommy, hoping that THIS time she will "get well."  As far as alcoholism being a disease, what other disease can you choose to participate in?  I don't know anyone who would choose to have cancer, or then choose not to have it.  Diabetes?  Parkinsons?  Elise has chosen to be a drunk and chosen to abandon her son.  Maybe she will sober up for long enough to see what a mess she has made and choose to stop. 

 

The one bright spot in all of this is the aunt of the little boy.  If he wants HER to be his mommy, he can clearly see and comprehend that there is a different way of living, and that gives me a glimmer of hope for him.  Even if she does not raise him, she is around and can influence him, love him, and be supportive as he grows up.  He will need that, as, while Dr. Phil's offer of treatment is generous, very few alcoholics dry up on their first treatment.  This is likely to be a long process with ups and downs aplenty that the child will have to weather.  The hurt is not over for him by a long shot, and his aunt seems to be stable and dependable.  He is gonna need her a lot in the months and years to come. 

 

Maybe Lisa can lend Heidi some money for a surgical procedure to implant a backbone, and will "hold her hand throughout the process"? 

 
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April 23, 2007, 6:30 am PDT

Lisa is Obsessed

The whole time Lisa was talking her upper lip did not move.  It's like her whole face is plastic and if she moves it, it will break.  I saw a lady on another show that was like that and her lips did not move either.  She had physical problems from too much surgery.  Lisa will also if she keeps going.  I am 42 years old and a lot of people tell me that I look like I am 28.  I have never had plastic surgery and never will.  I try to take care of myself.  Robin McGraw does not look like she is 52 either. (I hope I got that age correct).  She takes very good care of herself.  It is all in how you take care of yourself.  God made each one of us to look different and unique.  He did not intend for us to change our looks with plastic surgery.  I saw Lisa's before picture and I thought she looked great before plastic surgery and now I think she just looks fake.
 
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April 24, 2007, 7:11 am PDT

Elise/Kayne

Elise is 22 yrs. old.  And she is avoiding Kayne who is 8 yrs?  OK question?  WHY?  I understand that she is drinking too much, and perhaps to escape what pain?  DOES KAYNE LOOK like DAD that she is broke up with?  This is the side of the story is the what I want to know.  22 yrs old is young.  Is it just guilt?  avoiding responsibility?  I want to know why?

This may not be the case at all and maybe I am just seeing something that isn't there.

 
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April 25, 2007, 10:54 am PDT

hey!

a mom needs a break!

so what if she wants to have fun!

its her life

of course the drinking and driving isnt the best of desicions

 

 
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April 25, 2007, 10:55 am PDT

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she needs to get over herself, she is not doing this for her husband, she is doing this for herself. why not just be HAPPY with the way  you are. 
because noone is ever happy with themselves
 
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April 25, 2007, 4:37 pm PDT

It's not a choice until the obsession is removed

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Elise said she would not stoop so low as to take her own son in a car with her when she has been drinking, but I guess she thinks it is just dandy to put other sons and daughters (and mothers, fathers, etc.) at risk of death if/when she hits them in one of her drunken driving stupors.  Lock her up! 

 

Her poor little boy!!!  He just wants a mommy.  (Did they ever say where his daddy was?  Maybe he is the better parent and should be considered?) Heidi is doing Elise no favors by letting Elise live in her home.  Dr. Phil talks about commando parenting, and this is a case where some is needed.  The child does not need Elise in his life in her current state, and even though she is now going to treatment-- that is just false hope until (if ever) Elise gets her $h!t together.  Heidi needs to give Elise the boot- get her OUT of that pig stye she calls a room, and let her fend for herself, good, bad, or otherwise.  Maybe if she had to stand on her own two feet, she would. 

 

For Elise to give up custody of her son tells you she is not much interested in his well-being, just what is easy for her.  That she said it was for insurance purposes was a completely lame excuse.  Most mothers would fight tooth and nail to keep their child, insurance or not, but not Elise.  That little boy must be crushed knowing he can be given away when it is not convenient for his mother to keep him.  He has probably heard every sorry excuse in the book from that drunken egg-doner of his, and likely still keeps hoping she will one day show him some small measure of love, throw him a crumb.  He is damaged goods thanks to his own mother, and also in part thanks to his grandmother who needs to get a spine.  Will he ever be able to have a loving relationship with a woman after having his soul crushed so many times by Mommy?  She is a pig, and does not deserve to even be in her son's life.  She will continue to wallow in her nastiness and continue to disappoint the little guy.  I will pray for him.  What a tragic life he is living now.  Maybe he will look at what IS and think about what COULD BE when he is a grown-up and has some measure of power in his life.  Until then, he is at their mercy. 

 

While I am in favor of treatment, now the little boy will get dragged to some strange institutional visiting room to see his mommy, hoping that THIS time she will "get well."  As far as alcoholism being a disease, what other disease can you choose to participate in?  I don't know anyone who would choose to have cancer, or then choose not to have it.  Diabetes?  Parkinsons?  Elise has chosen to be a drunk and chosen to abandon her son.  Maybe she will sober up for long enough to see what a mess she has made and choose to stop. 

 

The one bright spot in all of this is the aunt of the little boy.  If he wants HER to be his mommy, he can clearly see and comprehend that there is a different way of living, and that gives me a glimmer of hope for him.  Even if she does not raise him, she is around and can influence him, love him, and be supportive as he grows up.  He will need that, as, while Dr. Phil's offer of treatment is generous, very few alcoholics dry up on their first treatment.  This is likely to be a long process with ups and downs aplenty that the child will have to weather.  The hurt is not over for him by a long shot, and his aunt seems to be stable and dependable.  He is gonna need her a lot in the months and years to come. 

 

Maybe Lisa can lend Heidi some money for a surgical procedure to implant a backbone, and will "hold her hand throughout the process"? 

Alcoholism is a disease.  I didn't choose to drink for all of those years.  Maybe some of the "normal" people on this website should keep their mouths shut unless they have been there and done that and know what they are talking about.  I am a recovering alcoholic of 15 years and I did NOT CHOOSE to be an alcoholic.  Please!  I started drinking and druging at 12 years old.  My father is an Alcoholic.  I believe I got it from him.  I craved the drink to make me feel like I was the better than everyone else instead of less than.  I drank so that I wouldn't have to feel any emotion.  My primary purpose, while drinking was to get the drink.  My mom, dad, brothers, boyfriends didn't matter as long as I was getting what I wanted.  Which was the drink/drunk, men, clothes and money.  It wasn't until I hit a bottom and dropped to my knees and asked God for help was the obsession removed so that I could clear away the reckage of my past.  I didn't even come out of a fog for a year.  So to think that a week of sobriety--dryness is going to be the magical cure is messed up.  We can't function without alcohol because we don't know what to do with the emotions that we have been covering up for all of those years.  It's like exposing a raw nerve to a cheese grater.  Until we are given the tools of life, through a program can we become productive members of society.  Yes, I know...I sobered up when I was 25 years old and didn't get married until I had some sobriety in my life, and then waited for my kids.  They, along with my husband are the most important thing in my life.....well, besides my sobriety and spirituality.

     So people, don't fool yourselves into thinking that taking away the drink from and alcoholic will make them "normal" and functional...it won't.  It will just make us crazy.  We need to learn how to clear away the reckage of our past and live life on life's terms with out drugs and alcohol.

    By the way Elise is not ready yet...hopefully she will be some day. 

 
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April 28, 2007, 5:19 am PDT

04/19 Moms Gone Wild

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I did what you did for almost four decades. I gave up on my father (for different reasons than yours) and pretended that I was fine. My unresolved anger, resentment and frustration carried with me into all my relationships. I allowed my power and control to be taken from me. It wasn't until I was over 40 that I decided that being angry and resentful (and not having a relationship w my father) was hurting me MUCH more than it hurt him.

 

I finally decided (thru the help of my church ministry) to FORGIVE my father. It took awhile and I had to FORCE myself to hug my father...little by little. Eventually it got easier. And finally I made it to full forgiveness (even though this man never apologized to me or admitted his awful mistakes).

 

I forgave him for MY SAKE. I lost all that burden I had been walking around with. I got to spend all that negative energy I once held on being happy. I found peace and harmony.

 

In February of this year, I was with my father as he died. I held him hand, told him I loved him and I watched him go. Still, no apology from him, but I didn't need one. He was a man who made mistakes (some very bad ones), but he loved me. I found examples of that love when I really looked hard for it. To him, feeing, clothing me and putting a roof over my head (as a child) was his way of telling me he loved me. No, it wasn't enough years ago, but as an adult, it is plenty. He could not have given me what I needed emotionally, but that didn't make him a horrible person. It made him merely a flawed human being.

 

We all make mistakes (some of us make bigger ones), but each one of us has some redeeming quality. It's up to us to find that redeeming quality and forgive the bad ones. It's what God reqires of us and it's now what I require of myself.

 

I am free, not because of my 81-yr-old father's death. I am free because I forgave him prior to his death. It's a gift I gave myself. It doens't mean I shall ever forget the pain and suffering I had at his hands as a child. It simply means I moved forward and showed compassion.

 

If your mother is not an emotionally healthy person, you SHOULDN"T be around her. However, hating her and avoiding her are two different things (hating harms you more than it harms her). Your mother does not sound like a happy person. And perhaps she has other ailments (mental ailments) that nobody will ever diagnose. Please don't waste your energy on hating her. It will negatively affect all your other relationships and take up too much of your valuable time.

 

Get help for yourself (professional couseling, talking to a pastor, etc), and let the anger go. Don't give your mother that much power over you. Pity her. I would venture to guess that, by her behavior, she already feels very alone in this world. Sad people behave the way she is behaving.

 

I want you happy, but YOU have to make the decision to be happy. Being angry or hating your mother is not the way to achieve it. God bless you and good luck. At 32, I was busy hating my father and feeling sorry for myself. I want more for you than that!

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April 30, 2007, 11:14 pm PDT

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Lisa,

Why would you waste so much money? Are you really that rich and have that much time on your hands that you have nothing else to think about but yourself?

Here is a thought, why not volunteer some of that time and money to some hungry children.

 

 
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May 1, 2007, 12:11 pm PDT

04/19 Moms Gone Wild

She definitely needs ongoing help because she will never be happy with herself on the outside if it doesn't come from the inside first. I believe if she doesn't stop now she will definitely, if she already hasn't, go to far and never be able to return to normal. Kind of reminds me of a certain "pop" star, how sad.
 
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May 2, 2007, 1:27 pm PDT

recommendation

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Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is a serious psychological disorder characterized by pervasive instability in moods, interpersonal relationships, self-image, and behavior.  This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual's sense of self-identity. 

 

While less known than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), BPD is more common, affecting 2% of adults (1-33), mostly females.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are:

 

 

 

Why is it Always About You?:  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss  AND Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward

 

Understanding the Borderline (Parent) Mother:  Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson 

 

Stop Walking on Eggshells:  Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Know Has Borderline Personality Disorder by Paul Mason and Randi Kreger OR Surviving A Borderline Parent:  How to Heal Your Childhood Wounds and Build Trust, Boundaries, and Self-Esteem by Kimberlee Roth and Freda Friedman

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm

 

 

 

Some of the story is typical:  early family conflicts, abusive relationships, feelings of insecruity contributing to destructive behaviors such as rage attacks and revenge, manipulations, promiscuity, self abuse and eating disorders.  The extreme behaviors of BPD constitute the high drama in the stories of those who endure its ravages.

 

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

I recommend "Walking on Eggshells" for family members and people who co-exist with folks with BPD.  Despite being a professional with in-service and educational opportunites by Masterson himself, I found this book to be the most helpful to me as a wife living with someone with this condition.
 

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