Topic : 08/29 Moms Gone Wild

Every time you lifted the glass to your lips, it was a deliberate action, a choice.  Getting sober was also a choice.  Good for you for getting there.  Not drinking is not the same as being sober- as you said, you have to learn what to do with the emotions you had been stuffing with the alcohol and not have to face.  Learning how to face the world without the crutch of drugs and/or alcohol is true sobriety.  But you will not convince me that just because alcoholism was modeled by your father, and maybe the only way you saw to cope, that alcoholism is a disease.  It is a poor way to cope, it is destructive, it is a horrible way to grow up and live, but it is not a disease.  If you don't like my assertion, telling me to shut up is not a very effective argument.  I lived with an active alcoholic for 18 years.  Calling it a disease is popular in thata circle, but it is a cop-out because of the shame of choosing to drink and bring chaos into everyone's lives that has to come into contact with it.

Doctor Gone Moms Phil Wild. Well Well Well here we go again just what you always wanted- Doctor Phil Moms Gone Wild. Have fun. See you tomorrow Afternoon. Sincerley Your. Russe-

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I don't understand why women have children if they don't want to take the responsibility of taking care of them.

My sister-in-law was all to happy to return to work and hand her kids off to her mom and dad who raised them.

Then when I had a child they "condemned" me for wanting to take care of him. 

Very confusing.  Caused a lot of hurt feeling.  Seems to me they would have liked the idea that I would want to care for my own children, after all, they were mine to care for, not her.

As for the old growing wiser, NOT!

I know many who are very immature  (selfish) that are way older than I.  People don't change from the day they are born.  You learn certain ways you can act from your parents, but basically you are who you are.

My son is very mature in most ways, but for the most part, he is way past his years.

Why do people on these message boards get so bent out of shape?

As I was reading the first of your message you sounded postive for this lady.  As I read on and on your message gets more aggressive indeed.  Why?  Neither you nor anyone else has really lived this lady's life and if she is taking positive measures make it better, GOOD for HER!

We all have a problem of some kind or a problem that only  seems to be a problem through the eyes of someone else.

There is a person in my family that totally makes me sick. She has 4 children and what seems like a good life. Nice house, nice cars etc. The truth is she hates being a parents and shuffles the kids to her aunts all the time. (the kids spend more time with the aunt and uncle then with them) The fault does not totally fall on her, her husband plays along and is just as bad. They engage in "swinging" and have actually had me babysit their children while they went to a public sauna to engage in sexual acts with other couples. She now has come to me and has old me that she wants to have an affair with her best friend, another women. And he would like to have sex with a hooker just to see what it's like.  I have tried to worn them about the dangers of STD's etc, but my advice falls on deaf ears. The stress of their marriage and their sex acts is taking a toll on the children. I have seen marks on the children from where they were hit with objects, and sometimes they are kicked and their hair pulled etc. The last words I have said to these two parents was "one day your are going to regret what you are doing if you don't grow up."  But my advice falls on deaf ears. I would report them to the authorities, but her aunt always takes her side and intervenes. I don't think her aunt understands that by not making them face their actions, she is encouraging them on all the more. Her aunt claims that they are stressed out and need some form of release. But I think once your a parent, your always a parent. Just because parenting isn't the bed of roses you thought it would be, doesn't mean you can go off and flip out. If you bring children into this world then you have to do right by them. These children didn't ask to be born, this couple decided to have them, now they have to face the music. The whole song not just the chorus. All the silly sex games and parties etc, should have happened before they settled down and got married. Now 4 children are suffering because mom and dad think going to a underground sex group, or going to a party and getting loaded is more important. I stand by what I said; one day they will regret it!

I do hope Elise will grab the anchor that Dr.Phil has handed to her. Rehab will be a trying time for her but if she's ready to change her life for the best, which I am sure she is, it will be a much needed experience as she tackles the getting rid of alcohol from her life. Lucky that she is still alive, she must now commit herself to a new her. It must have been hard having a baby at 14, as she was still a child herself. Thank God she wasn't killed from crashing the trucks. I feel so much for Heidi, the mother, who  has raised Kayne. She must be worried sick about her daughter Elise. Yes, Elise, it's time to be a hero now. Seize the moment, the day and become the mum you know you want to be.  Hang around other mothers who are committed to raising their children and lay off the alcohol for good. You only get one chance in life and I'd say that this is it. For the sake of your son Kayne, your mother and sister who love you.

To Lisa i just want to say that I believe you are addicted to plastic surgery. You are beautiful as it is, so you really don't need to get anything else done.  I must agree with Dr.Phil when he says that you will never be satisfied. Perhaps one day you might look like the cat woman. I really believe you have chosen the path of no return Lisa. I do feel sorry for your husband as he sees you wanting more and more sugery done. I don't understand this type of addiction as to me plastic surgery is the last thing i ever want done and I don't believe in spending all that money on such a thing. It must be like a vanity thing, where you think if you did this and that you will look close to perfect, like a barbie doll. I am not here to judge you, but it can't be normal behaviour surely to keep having it done over and over. Hope you see the light Lisa, there are people who are suffering in this world and would love to have one hundred thousand dollars to spend on their lives to help them cope with their pain and suffering.

Sincerely,

Lory(Australia)    

Hello everyone,