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Topic : 04/27 Obsessive Love: The Drama Continues

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Jeffrey and Jennifer's shocking and complicated story continues. During their 11-year marriage, Jeffrey has become so obsessed with Jennifer, he watches her every move. He has installed a GPS system in her car, taps her phone conversations, takes inappropriate pictures of her and watches her while she sleeps. Dr. Phil probes deep into Jeffrey's mind to find out why he acts the way he does. Is there any boundary Jeffrey won't cross when it comes to controlling his wife? Then, how are Jennifer and Jeffrey's three children being affected by the madness in the house? Their eldest child has been an eyewitness to his father's schemes. And, while Dr. Phil speaks one on one with Jennifer, Jeffrey has a total meltdown backstage, becoming physically ill. When Dr. Phil confronts him about his anxieties and offers a solution, will Jeffrey choose to make a change? Don’t miss the second part of this dramatic and emotional story, and find out if this family is on the path to healing or headed to divorce court.  Join the discussion.

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April 27, 2007, 10:18 pm PDT

04/27 Obsessive Love: The Drama Continues

Quote From: chachamom

He did address the cheating.  He just didn't beat her over the head with it like you want to.  You want to blame the victim.

I dont care if she cheated 5 times.  Gives that man not right to treat her the way she does.  He was the way he is way before they met, I can guarantee that.

 

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April 27, 2007, 10:21 pm PDT

Am I the only one who heard this?

As Jeffrey was telling Jen that he would go for counseling help, he said "I know she can be the best person ever."  Previously in the show he said other things that inferred he wanted help so he could fix HER.  I think this guy is an insecure, manipulative looser. 

 
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April 27, 2007, 10:21 pm PDT

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The husband has a real problem, but she is as bad.  You're blaming and ridiculing him when she is as bad.  She whines and cries and then still has plenty of time to go out with friends...even a male friend, sits on a computer with pictures and still calls people.  If he was going to hurt, her it already would have happened.  She enjoys playing the mind games and has injured him in the process.  Nice that you send him away that she can party.  When you have a person who cares that much, it also is a safe place, in case another relationship doesn't work out...she knows what she is doing.  The man is fighting for his life here trying to keep family and home together and she just pretends not to know what is going on.  Dr. Phil, she has you buffaloed...I didn't think it would happen. 
I was outraged by your comment .....he is an abuser and what he did has no justification.
 
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April 27, 2007, 10:23 pm PDT

Jeffrey is mentally ill or a personality order

Jeffery is beyond hope. Jennifer should divorce him, don't know how she is sane.

 

I stayed with my husband for 47 years out of having no backbone, but he was abusive mentally and physically for over 30 years, children included and sued him for a divorce after 30 years finally but could not get rid of him like so I finally had to go back to him because I could not get rid of him. He stalked me continually the 9 months we were separated, but I finally was strong after going to counselling and told him there was going to be a change if we went back together and he has changed tremendously so I can handle living with him. I went to college which I had wanted to do for years and got the best paying job at 56 years of age.

 

I still wished I had been able to get the divorce and had a happy life but would have needed a bodyguard.

 
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April 27, 2007, 10:24 pm PDT

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How do you know she cheated before he became obsessed?
This guy is a nut and he responded so accordingly.  Yes, infidelity is not right but his crazy ways may have pushed her to cheat
 
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April 27, 2007, 10:25 pm PDT

04/27 Obsessive Love: The Drama Continues

There's is no way to excuse the husband for his behavior.  He went way overboard in what he did, but I don't think the wife is totally without some of the blame here too.  I think Dr. Phil ignored some of his own comments like "what you fear, you create".  No one can be held accountable for another person's behavior, but didn't the wife's cheating have some part in why the husband was feeling like he had to know what she was doing outside the home?  Didn't she help create a jealous husband?  Where is her ownership in all of this?  Dr. Phil told her that this was not her fault, but did he ever tell her to own her part of it?   Suffering the consequences for their behavior applies to both partners in this relationship. 

Unfortunately, the innocent ones here are the children.  I don't think either parent here has provided a good role model for the kids.  The mother said she didn't want her girls to feel like it was okay to be treated that way by a man.  Does she feel that her girls should feel that the way to deal with marital problems is by having an affair and breaking any trust that that relationship should have? 

I wish Dr. Phil had dealt with both partners in this relationship equally.  They both have problems and one's bad behavior doesn't justify the other's bad behavior.

 
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April 27, 2007, 10:27 pm PDT

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While I fully embrace the idea of couples "earning their way " out of a marriage before heading to divorce court, I was concerned that an already fragile, defeated, emotionally abused woman was first promised all the support necessary to extricate herself from a dangerously obsessive husband, but then asked to postpone any decision-making until after her husband gets help from Creative Care.  It has been 11 years and multiple therapists.  Is she supposed to wait until he completes the program, however long that may be?  Dr. Phil, you seemed on one hand, to be saying that it was entirely up to her to decide, and on the other that you thought it best that she "stand down" for a bit.  I think you underestimated the power of your suggestion.  She did not seem strong enough to stand up to her husband, much less you.  Her husband stated that he can't live without her.  He also said he would never harm her.  You confronted him on that, but clearly that is the same type of declaration we've heard from abusers who murder their spouses, their children, and/or themselves.

I think it is wonderful that you are providing them both the opportunity to turn their lives around.  And I don't doubt for a moment that you will deliver on your promises to them.  But I fear for her safety.  There was no way she was going to follow through on her seemingly tentative plan to file for divorce, especially after you suggested otherwise.  I think she would have done anything you said, however delicately put. 

I sincerely hope that whatever his experience at Creative Care, Jeffrey will emerge with better coping skills, just in case his wife gets to be strong enough to leave him.

I felt dr phil was appeasing her crazed husband and getting him some help to protect and help her and her kids.  If Dr. Phil had said leave him he's a nut you're in danger nothing would have changed in the situation.  Dr Phil intervened and now the man is getting the help he needs and hopefully he will get better and quit stalking his wife...goood call DR Phil
 
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April 27, 2007, 10:29 pm PDT

I totally agree with you...

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While I fully embrace the idea of couples "earning their way " out of a marriage before heading to divorce court, I was concerned that an already fragile, defeated, emotionally abused woman was first promised all the support necessary to extricate herself from a dangerously obsessive husband, but then asked to postpone any decision-making until after her husband gets help from Creative Care.  It has been 11 years and multiple therapists.  Is she supposed to wait until he completes the program, however long that may be?  Dr. Phil, you seemed on one hand, to be saying that it was entirely up to her to decide, and on the other that you thought it best that she "stand down" for a bit.  I think you underestimated the power of your suggestion.  She did not seem strong enough to stand up to her husband, much less you.  Her husband stated that he can't live without her.  He also said he would never harm her.  You confronted him on that, but clearly that is the same type of declaration we've heard from abusers who murder their spouses, their children, and/or themselves.

I think it is wonderful that you are providing them both the opportunity to turn their lives around.  And I don't doubt for a moment that you will deliver on your promises to them.  But I fear for her safety.  There was no way she was going to follow through on her seemingly tentative plan to file for divorce, especially after you suggested otherwise.  I think she would have done anything you said, however delicately put. 

I sincerely hope that whatever his experience at Creative Care, Jeffrey will emerge with better coping skills, just in case his wife gets to be strong enough to leave him.

Your post just triggered a "feeling" that I got when I watched the show.  She was so grateful (and most likely starved) for the offer of help to GET AWAY from this maniac.  However, when Dr. Phil talked to Jeffrey, the camera went to her a couple of times and she was filled with "hope."  I spent my entire life falling in love with abusive men.  The caveat is that these abusive men always have a "goodness" too.  These sick men are not evil.  Even sociopaths and serial killers can be charming and very lovable.  In fact, that is the most insidious part of the abusers makeup.  They need you to dance the sick dance with them and they spend their entire life learning how to recognize and prey on the women who will think that their "crumbs" of love are enough.  These men would never call a truly "healthy" woman for a second date.  As soon as she reveals her health, some other damsel in distress will fancy them.  I have learned to recognize this in lightning speed.  I avoid the overly romantic types like the plague.

 

Anyway, to get back to my point, I have always "SECOND GUESSED" the inner voice that told me to "leave" early on because these men are not monsters.  A woman who would end up married with children to a man like this has been caught up in his need for her and his intense passion for her.  He has surely demonstrated many good things that reeled her in the first place.  I didn't like seeing this look of "hope" in this womans face because Dr. Phil's leaning towards reconciliation or their is hope for him has given this woman false hope.  Others wrote about the traits of abusers.  She would do better to have that told her.

 

With that said, I do think that Dr. Phil is trying to avoid a very messy divorce.  I believe that he knows what he is doing.  However, I would have liked to see him take a stronger stand. 

 
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April 27, 2007, 10:36 pm PDT

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I didn't get to see Part 1 due to a huge power outage.  Watching part 2, all I could think is this woman needs to gather up her children & her belongings, while he is away , & run like hell or she & her children may not live long enough to see tomorrow, so to speak.  He is dangerous & his behavior is headed for disaster.  We've all read about families being murdered by the obsessive husband, & I feel this guy is headed in that direction.  It's, too, bad there aren't laws in place to put this guy away for a long time.
 
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April 27, 2007, 10:36 pm PDT

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Quote From: mour79

     If his behavior was "way over the top" wouldn't her actions have contributed?  He wasn't this bad until she comitted adultery.  He (Dr. Phil) should have made her own up to her portion of the dysfunction.  Albeit he is in my opinion a psychopath, she is in no way without blame.  If the focus of this show was him, are they going to focus on the cheater he's married to next week?

There was no marriage.  He married a woman 10 years younger because he wanted to control her.  DP doesn't beat people over the head with their mistakes unless they don't accept them.   She has accepted responsibility for that so you all need to move on...

 
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