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Topic : 04/27 Obsessive Love: The Drama Continues

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Created on : Friday, April 20, 2007, 02:40:41 pm
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Jeffrey and Jennifer's shocking and complicated story continues. During their 11-year marriage, Jeffrey has become so obsessed with Jennifer, he watches her every move. He has installed a GPS system in her car, taps her phone conversations, takes inappropriate pictures of her and watches her while she sleeps. Dr. Phil probes deep into Jeffrey's mind to find out why he acts the way he does. Is there any boundary Jeffrey won't cross when it comes to controlling his wife? Then, how are Jennifer and Jeffrey's three children being affected by the madness in the house? Their eldest child has been an eyewitness to his father's schemes. And, while Dr. Phil speaks one on one with Jennifer, Jeffrey has a total meltdown backstage, becoming physically ill. When Dr. Phil confronts him about his anxieties and offers a solution, will Jeffrey choose to make a change? Don’t miss the second part of this dramatic and emotional story, and find out if this family is on the path to healing or headed to divorce court.  Join the discussion.

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April 29, 2007, 3:37 pm PDT

wrong!!!!!

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This is the best response I have read so far.

 

  after 11 yrs of spying,being locked in basement,being called horrible names, all in front of the children this behavior is OK with you. she is 31 yrs old have you ever heard of a girls night out? i bet you go to sporting events with the guys and drink beer and dont tell me that you dont look at a pretty face. she had him on her "myspace" like alot of people do these days and he threatened ever -one that replied. were ever you go there are going to be people of the opposite sex, some good looking others not. thats life. he cut himself in his gentiles on purpose!!!!! yeah so sexy ha ha and manly. if he is so sex deprived than maybe he should have treated  her with some dignity. remember he started this behavior 2 months after they were married. plus they have 3 beautiful children at least he sex 3 times.romance is a key factor in a marriage he should have tried that instead of locking her up and calling her names. get real!!!!!!

 
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April 29, 2007, 3:56 pm PDT

Creepy

The only thing I could picture, was Richard Sharp (man who murdered his wife in Massachusetts), because he was closing his eyes during part of the interview, and that is exactly what this man did during his murder trial!  If I were his wife, I would get out as soon as possible with the childrren.
 
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April 29, 2007, 3:56 pm PDT

Watching same show as me?

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I hate to break it to you but they have obviously found the worst parts of an 11 year marriage to bring up. I am not an advocate of violent or deranged behavior but this is no more than a marriage that needs helps. It does NOT need one person to go running for the hills and leave 4 children without a complete family. I see faults on both but nothing that can not be fixed and fixed quickly. Especially if you personally know these individuals. I know Jeff. I don't know Jennifer but I believe that this marraige can be saved because he is willing to do what it takes. There is nothing in this story that he beat her, hit her, abused her, or threatened her or was a bad father to their children. He will put his life before losing any if them.

 

We'll my wife is calling me for dinner, so I better go so I don't end up on the show...

Were you watching the same show as me? You believe that Jeffrey's actions were not abusive or threatening? Does that mean that you lock your wife in the basement  like Jeffrey; since it isn't abusive in your opinion? Would you get your wife fired from her job and isolate her from friends and family so that you can have her all to yourself?

As for being a bad father....you don't mention that he is a good father, either. A man who spies on his wife in front of their children isn't a good father. A good father doesn't put the children in the middle, but that was what he did. The children don't need to be involved in mom and dad's issues!

 
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April 29, 2007, 4:07 pm PDT

You need to get help

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You are so right about spending all my time coping. That is all I do. I try to figure out what egg shell to miss each day. He turns it all around to look like I'm the bad guy all the time. I can't say anything without him jumping down my throat. You have no clue the crap I have put up with and am so over it. So numb, but so afraid to move on. Just today in the car out of the blue in front of my 9 year old daughter he tells me a story about a man he knows that cheated on his wife. They are getting a divorce and guess what? She got screwed when the courts layed down the child support. I have no idea what he meant by that. I don't really care. I don't even know if this man exists. These are the little weird stories he just blurts out. I know he is trying to mess with my head.

 

He has allowed us to live one winter without heat because he ran us into financial ruin. I have just gotten a job and have pulled us out of all back debt. However, he spends more than I make. I take his debit card and he finds it and just debits his butt off. One time I knew we had 220.00 in checking. I went and purchased 80.00 worth of groceries. Come to find out the check bounced. The grocery store had a zero tolerence for bounced checks and guess what? I was fined by the courts 150.00 and had to take a course to learn how to balance a checkbook. The course cost me 100.00. Why did the check bounce??? Because he debited a crap load of $$ to buy new golf shoes and didn't tell me. Don't tell me to get my own checking account because I can't have a checking account now because of the friggin bounced check incident three years ago.

 

He says all the time how much he loves me and would do anything to make me happy, but then he cuts off my air supply because I can't just live like a normal woman. It's the little mental things he does. He is always singing this one song around the house " She lies and says she's in love with him... she can't find a better man." Just that line OVER and OVER and OVER! I know he isn't just singing it for the hell of it... I know it's a mind game..I know what he is doing and I try to keep myself mentally strong, but I do begin to doubt myself... am I the crazy one??

 

Just today I went to wake my one son for his 9:00 soccer game and he wasn't in his bed. I had worked the night before and didn't get until after 10:00. Everyone was asleep so I assumed so was my son. Well, he wasn't there this morning. ( My husband works Saturday's and like ALWAYS left his cell phone home so there is no way to contact him.) My other kids said "Daddy let him sleep over... house." My husband never once told me about this the night before. I had to wake the other family up at 7:30 in the morning to get my son to his game. WTH??

He hasn't taken the trash around for collection in THREE WEEKS. I refuse to do because I do everything else around here. On Wed. I even told him to get the trash out. I wake to take the kids to school and there it sits around back with the other two weeks worth of trash! He can't do anything other than follow me around, sit at my work and spend every waking and sleeping moment with me. If I talk to my one friend on the phone he will walk around and sulk. Even today I was on the phone with my Mom and I got off because he was throwing such a fit that he was hungry and I was on the phone. I know he was more upset probably because I was taking time away from him.. not the fact he was hungry. He just ate a crap load of cookies!

Sorry for all the ranting. I could tell you stuff to make your head spin.

 


I just keep questioning. Is it me? Am I too much of a "B*%H"?

Sorry I didn't reply yesterday, I'm a social worker and I was on call and had to reply to a hospital where I responded to a woman who had been beaten up by her husband.  You need to find way out.  You are not at fault, but you are exposing your children to domestic violence and domestic violence is child abuse.  Your daughters will grow up to be victims of domestic violence and your sons will grow up with a belief system that allows them to treat women like they watched you be treated.  You need to get out of this situation.  You need to ask yourself, what is he contributing to your life?  Is he making things better?  Does he offer anything of value?  It doesn't sound to me that he does.  He is isolating you and making you tend to him and cope with his silliness all the time so that you don't have time to deal with what you need to be attending too.  But in the mean time, time is passing.  Of course he is singing those songs and telling you those stories to occupy your mind to get you to wonder what he is up to.  It's all so much crazy making stuff.  Get some help and get out.
 
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April 29, 2007, 4:26 pm PDT

04/27 Obsessive Love: The Drama Continues

I think that Dr. Phil knew what he was doing in getting Jeffrey to any kind of treatment.  Jeff was never going to agree to the long term treatment he needs on that show.  He may agree to it in a controled enviornment.  Where I feel Dr. Phil missed the boat was in not explaining to Jen all the dynamics of domestic violence.  I think he missed an opportunity to explain to her and his audience that domestic violence is a systemic promblem that is is rooted in the person's core belief system and that it has nothing at all to do with the object of their affection.  Dr. Phil began to touch on this, but didn't go far enough in my opinion.  There are many people out there living in these situations who are wondering every day whether they can do enough or be good enough to please their partner to stop the violence or the terror and they need to understand that the answer is always no, because the problem never had anything to do with them to begin with.  The batterer believes that he or she has the right to control others.  Their world only makes sense when they are controling others.  However, nothing the other's do will ever be enough.  The control will never be complete enough to make them feel better.  Jeff may be able to learn to control his anxiety and obsessive behavior as a matter of fact, I'm sure that he can, but that won't do anything about his belief that he has the right to control Jen.  He'll just control her without all of the anxiety and obsessiveness.  He'll be more comfortable while he controls her.  Though, I doubt that Dr. Phil intents to have Jen go back into that situation.  He'll explain to her how hopeless the situation is, I just wish that he had taken the opportunity to reach out to his vast audience and explain to America how deeply rooted the problem of domestic violence is and how hard it is to treat.  Even with treatment, it is extremely difficult to change a person's core belief system.  Think about your core beliefs.  This is where things like your belief in God,  honesty, law and order, truth, fidelity, racism, and patriotism live.  These are not easy things to change.  It takes re-programingor brainwashing to change these beliefs.
 
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April 29, 2007, 5:11 pm PDT

I highly doubt...

I highly doubt that Jeff will change. Hes gone too far to get help. Dr.Phil is too optimistic with him to actually think Jeff's gonna get better. I think either way, she should just divorce him because she has had it, & she shouldnt put herself and the kids through more. Shes gonna burn out and bad things will happen if she continues to keep living and being married with Jeff. Just get the divorce done and over with.
 
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April 29, 2007, 5:12 pm PDT

GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!

I'm 70 years old and fought the abuse, etc for 13 years and finally got out. I thought it was me and fought and tried to do everything I could. I hid it from my family and friends because I was ashamed to tell anybody. Finally I had enough and decided to get out after I supported him financially for the most part. Long story, very interesting for a naive widow like myself. In the story obesssive love, that man will never change. He thinks what he is doing is right and his way is the right way and nobody knows anything. Get her and those children out of there!!!!!
 
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April 29, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

Jennifer's Cheating

Dr Phil,

 

I thoroughly enjoyed - and was as creeped out as if I'd viewed a million night crawlers in a giant mating ball - your shows on 4/26 and 4/27 regarding eerily controlling Jeffery, and his victimized wife Jennifer. But I'm still a bit perplexed what I perceived as a serious omission from your approach to their problem.

 

Sure, I'm as close to being a doctor as the Earth is to colliding with Mars, but I can't help but to feel that you might not have necessarily dropped the ball, but you fumbled with it a bit when it came to the issue of Jennifer's cheating on Jeffery.

 

Now I believe I heard two references to that issue. Once, you actually said the word cheating as you prefaced a question you were about to ask Jeffery. The second time, you merely asked Jeffery if he thought that his behavior was a causitive factor in Jennifer's behavior.

 

Now I realize that you are as even handed as possible, even when the disgusting behavior of a party is so dispicable that you can't help but to almost completely target that party, as it was with Jeffery. But, controlling behavior or not, Jennifer waited for her husband to leave town, and then invited her lover to she and her husband's home, leading to her lover getting his a** kicked. That waranted at least an honorable mention. If nothing else, Jennifer was half at fault for that beat down. I just wonder why you steered around that issue as if you were avoiding a canyon-sized pot hole while driving you favorite luxury vehicle.

 
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April 29, 2007, 5:24 pm PDT

OBSESSIVE LOVE

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please don't go back to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is the cycle of the abuser. He is telling you he changed because your not under his control anymore. I left my husband in september of 2004 and we will be divorced a year in june this year. He tells me he changed and that he joined a church, blaa, blaa, blaa. He was married before and did the same thing to his first wife. When I first left him I contacted his first wife and do you know what she said to me that made me really open my eyes? "I thought he changed!!!!!!!!!!" she said. He was being really nice to her when ever they had to talk regarding their child. Abusive people do it behind closed doors not in front of the public where they have no control to be abusive. They are very smart and manipulative. I am sure that is how he was when you first meet him very nice right? It is very scary to see this nice side of my ex. husband because I know what he is capable of. I have to deal with him for the kids sake. I am much smarter not to go back. They never ever change. It will get better for you if you stay strong and don't go back. I can't say it enough. Your life will be so much better. I tell my ex. good I am glad you changed.  That's it I will never go back because I know he has not changed. He is trying to manipulate me and it will never happen. Go get the book "The sociopath next door" by Martha Stout, ph.d. it will keep your eyes open. Be strong and always have one up on him.

Take care of you!!!!!!

Thank you for responding to me , it is goood to know that I am not the only one out there that has been abused , your message means alot to me , you are right they are very chaming and sweet and nice , I saw him so many times charm someone that he dont like to get what he wanted from them, so many storys we could share about what we as wives of the these type people have been thru , what is hard is I havent lived by my self in 17yrs , it has taken some time to get use to , I thought I would leave and it would be over , but it took him 5 weeks to realize that I did leave and now he wont stop , I find my insides just curling up in a ball on the inside when I am around him , I am just waiting for the Divorce papers to come thru then maybe he might see I am not going to come back to him .I have been reading a good book called TEARS AND HEALING very good book go look up NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY and you will find it along w/ my x lol . thanks for your message!!
 
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April 29, 2007, 5:28 pm PDT

I don't trust this guy for a second

Everytime this guy shut his eyes, I thought he's going into his fantasyland. Saying whatever needed to be said so that he could hang onto his wife.

I think he'll go to treatment but play the game. Appear to go along and be " a good patient", get back with her then things will get worse.

 

This lady and her children need to be in protective care.

If she wants have some joint counselling with him but in the long run he's not going to change.

Did he give her back her jewellry? Let her go back to work without interferrence?

I don't think so and I don't think he will be able to do it in the future.

 

Dr. Phil get that lady some heavy duty counselling and a great lawyer and the hell out of there.

He's going to play you and the system as being his own victim then go for her in some very sick way.

He's a con and great at it.

You caught him so far, but I've seen too many guys like this and he will fake it all, just to get her back under her control. Then she will end up in a ten times worse position.

 

Please follow thru and get her out and to a safe place with a lawyer and funding to get herself back together and keep her and the children safe.

I really feel before the end of a month, he will be back, crying the blues, but still doing what he did......controlling her totally.

 
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