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Topic : 04/27 Obsessive Love: The Drama Continues

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Jeffrey and Jennifer's shocking and complicated story continues. During their 11-year marriage, Jeffrey has become so obsessed with Jennifer, he watches her every move. He has installed a GPS system in her car, taps her phone conversations, takes inappropriate pictures of her and watches her while she sleeps. Dr. Phil probes deep into Jeffrey's mind to find out why he acts the way he does. Is there any boundary Jeffrey won't cross when it comes to controlling his wife? Then, how are Jennifer and Jeffrey's three children being affected by the madness in the house? Their eldest child has been an eyewitness to his father's schemes. And, while Dr. Phil speaks one on one with Jennifer, Jeffrey has a total meltdown backstage, becoming physically ill. When Dr. Phil confronts him about his anxieties and offers a solution, will Jeffrey choose to make a change? Don’t miss the second part of this dramatic and emotional story, and find out if this family is on the path to healing or headed to divorce court.  Join the discussion.

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May 4, 2007, 10:06 am PDT

04/27 Obsessive Love: The Drama Continues

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It is great that Jeff is going to get the help that he needs.  It was very frustrating watching the show and watching how he was never able to answer any questions without being interrupted.  He showed his true self, offered up all his horrendous actions and genuinely begged for the help he so desperately needed, and I'm so thankful he is getting that help.

 

Jennifer was strangely calm and unemotional... almost giddy.  Is that really the actions of an abused spouse?  I wonder.  I have said from the beginning that I really questioned who has the real control issues in this relationship.  I have never seen a Dr Phil show that was so extremely one-sided.  I guess we are only allowed to see what they want us to see.

 

I honestly believe they both need help and hope that Jennifer gets it immediately, just as Jeff is, but my hunch is she won't.

 

My hunch also is that she is going to have a really good time while Jeff is gone, and it will not surprise me in the least that she cheats again.  He doesn't have any hope in keeping this marriage alive.  I just think it's good that he will get what he needs in order to go on and have a life without her.

If you'll go & read at any of the links I left with abuse described in detail you'll see that abusers are often very charming & great con men.  You really think he offered up all his horrendous actions?  & when did he beg for the help he needed?  He begged for Dr. Phil to fix it so his marriage wouldn't break up because his wife is getting ready to leave!  Again if you'd go read & do some self education you'll see that abusers *often go to counseling* they know exactly how to snow a therapist & this guy was doing that very thing & Dr. Phil knew it! 

 

"Jennifer was strangely calm and unemotional"  Victims of long term brainwashing & abuse are often confused, bewilldered looking & will actually defend an abuser.  Children of abuse after having been apart from their abuser will run directly to those abusive hands/arms.  This is *classic behavior*.  You need to google Patty Hearst & do some *reading*. 

 

As far as her having a "really good time while Jeff is gone" I'm sure it might be a great time being able to take a shower without the worry of your husband being behind you with a camera! 

 
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May 4, 2007, 10:39 am PDT

You dont need no BS like that

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learned helplessness.  Very common among abused women.  Also there is a degree of Stockholm syndrome.

 

Unfortunately, so many women feel they don't deserve better treatment.  Their mates have convinced them of that. 

 

L.

 

LEAVE HIM.  Life is to short to deal with this BS.  All your children are grown now. Live your life and live it to the fullest. IT is so wonderful to be happy, and who knows, maybe you will find true love one day. If you stay in this relationship, what will happen??? You will remain miserable the rest of your life???? Is that really what you want?  I say you can do it. You have to find your happiness!  Good-luck sweety.  Stay strong and reach for your dreams.
 
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May 4, 2007, 10:40 am PDT

shocked, appalled, saddened and angered

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There's so much blaming the victim on these message boards that trying to educate the finger pointers & make them see they as dangerous as the abusers is saps the engergy.  I didn't think there could be this much ignorance gathered in the same place at the same time. 

by so many messages blaming the wife. 

 

Thank you for your tireless efforts here on behalf of abused women.  You'll never know how many lives you may have saved with your words.

 

peace and blessings

 

 

 
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May 4, 2007, 10:55 am PDT

04/27 Obsessive Love: The Drama Continues

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The guy may be wrong headed but he isn't a criminal.  he has not crossed that line yet, and we should not judge him like he's done something ilegal to her.  If he can prove the she cheated on him, nothing thast he done to her is against the law.  He has not cheated on her, he has not physicaly abused her.  Going onto his computer and checking a myspace page?  Putting a GPS device in his Car before she drives it?  I look at him and I see somebody who is being very immature.  He has a very beautiful wife, and he probably will not find another wife like her; but based on what I saw, he appears to be far better prepared for a divorce case than she is.  great episode though, I really wish the best for these two people and their children.  personally I don't believe people should get divorced as often as they do, not only because of my belief in the Bible and it's teachings, but also love of family,  Children are the future, and courts do not make happy families regardless of how bad a situation is.  Infidelity, drugs, and violence really should be the only reasons for divorce and that is just not the case here.  She is having a mid-life crisis and wants to sleep with other people because she is no longer attracted to her husband and then blames her husband for all the crazy things he does.  Is that any reason to divorce?  Some say it is, but i think it's very selfish on her part as well.   If I ever got divorced, I would assume, that my kids would get divorced, and their kids, and their kids, and their kids too.  I think about things in those terms and I know not everybody does, but to me it all seems very, very selfish.  This is actually the first episode of Dr. Phil I have ever watched.  I don't hate him or anything, I just don't usualy watch television.  Last week i was flipping through channels and came across a commercial for tonight's episode and have been waiting for it all week.

this post is just too bizzare for words.  Apparently you're not watching tv or READING very much either!  "Infidelity, drugs, and violence really should be the only reasons for divorce and that is just not the case here"  is this right?  So you think if someone explotes a wife or children then that's ok?  I mean if he doesn't physically touch her but posts those nude pictures of his wife to the internet that isn't any of those things you'd just mentioned & so that's ok?  You think that him suggesting she sleep with his friend & *inviting that friend into their bedroom* is ok because it didn't leave bruses, didn't involve drugs & was with his concent? 

 

You think that when this woman said "I'm not sure why he'd wants to be with me anyway he doesn't like anything about me" that this is just her having a "midlife crisis" and not because he verbally cuts her down at every turn?  It isn't that she's "no longer attracted to her husband" she was *tricked into marrying him to start with* as a teenager.  When I think of the stupid things I did as a kid I cringe & that includes 19 yrs. old  I'm not one who really believe in divorce either however I also don't believe that children should be allowed to be brought up by someone who is derranged!  I don't care if she had slept with every guy in town you *cannot* keep someone against their will & that my friend with infidelity or not is indeed against the law.  And yes he has violated her physically by taking pictures of her against her will while she's showering!  As far as the GPS system going into "his car" as you say perhaps she could have HER OWN car if he hadn't gotten her fired!  Or maybe if he'd give her access to their finacial resources! 

 

Again I'm not a believer in getting divorced as quickly as people do today & I think work needs to be done first but when someone is a *clear & present* danger I think there needs to be actions taken & quickly to put distance between these people.  You say "If I ever got divored, I would assume, that my kids would get divorced, and their kids, and their kids.  I think about things in those terms and I know not everybody does, but to me it all seems very, very selfish."   Well I say that you "assume too much" & I know *many people that came from what use to be reffered to as a "broken home" & have been happily married for years & are NOT divorced.   On top of this just because the bruises aren't seen doesn't mean that emotional abuse is not violent!  Not only is it violent but the wounds often last much longer than the physical ones because people do NOT see them!  Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this man is completely unhinged because of emotional abuse he'd suffered as a child!  And look at what it's caused him here?   Even if he's been normal up until his wife's first affair, which he wasn't, there are many people that face a spouse that has had an affair &/or that is a habitual cheater.  The may try to work it out, and they find that they're a bit obsessive when it comes to "checking on a spouse, & go get counseling only to find it hasn't helped & finally leave,  they may get a divorce after all is said & done or they may divorce right away, but you cannot go keeping a person prisoner in their own home!  You cannot just try to create a pregnancy against the persons wishes & yes that would be criminal & that is the difference between someone who's just really upset & someone who's over the top.  Go google "emotional abuse" and do some reading so you're not sounding like this any more. 

 
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May 4, 2007, 11:18 am PDT

I beg your pardon?

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LEAVE HIM.  Life is to short to deal with this BS.  All your children are grown now. Live your life and live it to the fullest. IT is so wonderful to be happy, and who knows, maybe you will find true love one day. If you stay in this relationship, what will happen??? You will remain miserable the rest of your life???? Is that really what you want?  I say you can do it. You have to find your happiness!  Good-luck sweety.  Stay strong and reach for your dreams.

Surely this post was attached to the wrong one.  I am not living with an abusive spouse.   I'm quite certain that your message was meant for someone else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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May 4, 2007, 11:56 am PDT

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!

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this could be because he was dealing with an ABUSIVE partner.  I could & would comment on the infidelity but I won't because this isn't about infidelity it's about control, manipulation and emotional abuse.  This isn't hard to see *at all* & it isn't Dr. Phil who's looking to "destroy Jeff" or he wouldn't be getting him therapy!  Do some reading & educate yourself on abuse. 
You gotta be kidding me!  Obviously, you are one like him or never been in this kind of situation!Talking from experience, its horrible.  Tell you what, I did not cheat on my ex-husband, nor gave him any reason to think so,  he still followed me around, and ran after me with a knife!  And Continued with the psychological abuse... NOTHING EXCUSES THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR. What I mean is: THAT YOU'VE BEEN CHEATED ON OR NOT, it does not excuse this horrible behavior!  If somebody cheats on you, so what, life goes on, move on, turn the page.  That she cheated or not, her life and childrens life are in danger and at risk.Oh and By the way, therapy wont do crap for Jeffrey, just wait and see, I know this kind of man, they like to play, play a real good game. I know how they think like the back of my hand, why, because I had no choice to put myself in their minds in order to survive.  Hope one day that the person who wrote this quote, gets a reality check and wake up!
 
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May 4, 2007, 11:57 am PDT

Sorry dear!

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Surely this post was attached to the wrong one.  I am not living with an abusive spouse.   I'm quite certain that your message was meant for someone else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong person!  Sorry!
 
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May 4, 2007, 12:00 pm PDT

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Quote From: lyninsocal

by so many messages blaming the wife. 

 

Thank you for your tireless efforts here on behalf of abused women.  You'll never know how many lives you may have saved with your words.

 

peace and blessings

 

 

lyninsocal,  You're welcome & really thank you!   Frankly I find it's upsetting to think that so many are just so ignorant to problems that have been show cased for *years* now in an attempt to educate people!  How many "made for TV" movies do they hae to make before people start to get the picture?  Anyway I just find myself so taken aback & feeling a need to set it straight because as with most of the show participants I'm sure that Jennifer has taken a peek at this message board.  There is a real seriousness to this situation and people need to realize that.  There are women all the time who have husbands snapping a twig & killing them &/or their kids & those husbands don't always show their violent side until they're snuffing out life.  Of course all that "obsessive behavior" that's leading up to it people just kind of reason away.  I suppose it's because who wants to belive any nice looking guy could hurt their wife or kids?

 

And yes on top of Jennifer coming here there are other victims coming here & reading along.  Thier situation might mirror what happening on TV & they're being controlled by use of lies that are being re-inforced by those here putting the blame on the victim!  "I'll tell them you cheated & they'll say you deserve it".  Nicole Brown Simpon said "he's going to kill me and he's going to get away with it".  We keep proving these abusers right and no matter how many pleas go out people just continue..........  It's just so unnerving & so yea if I can counter just a tad of the damage these people do then I'll come back here as many times as I have to. 

 
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May 4, 2007, 12:34 pm PDT

please go back and re-read my posts

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You gotta be kidding me!  Obviously, you are one like him or never been in this kind of situation!Talking from experience, its horrible.  Tell you what, I did not cheat on my ex-husband, nor gave him any reason to think so,  he still followed me around, and ran after me with a knife!  And Continued with the psychological abuse... NOTHING EXCUSES THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR. What I mean is: THAT YOU'VE BEEN CHEATED ON OR NOT, it does not excuse this horrible behavior!  If somebody cheats on you, so what, life goes on, move on, turn the page.  That she cheated or not, her life and childrens life are in danger and at risk.Oh and By the way, therapy wont do crap for Jeffrey, just wait and see, I know this kind of man, they like to play, play a real good game. I know how they think like the back of my hand, why, because I had no choice to put myself in their minds in order to survive.  Hope one day that the person who wrote this quote, gets a reality check and wake up!

I think you're confused & no I'm not kidding.  I don't think you're understanding what I was saying.  If you go back to my post it will be a bit more clear because I was answering another poster. 

 

I had replied lenghtly to someone explaining how I believed that Jennifer taken advantage of as a young women/really a girl & then was guilted & coned into staying etc.  I believe I'd said that I didn't believe Jeffrey's behavior started after the 1st affair &/or that his behavior is because of Jennefer's infidelity.  You'll have to go back to do the reread because I just cannot repeat the whole post.  Anyway Someone replied to me saying

 

"It's very hard to know the extent of this situation since the good doctor was concerned with distroying Jeff only and not concerned with the what part Jen may have played.  First time 'ive watched the sho w that the doctor failed to  take to task the adultrius partner."

 

I took what this person to be saying that she felt poor Jeff (sarcasim) was being railroaded by Dr. Phil & yes this *other poster*  was saying that Jen may have played a part & that Dr. Phil never took her to task "the adultrius partner". 

 

I was *answering her* in that Dr. Phil did not take the adultrius partner to taske because "this could be because he (Dr. Phil) was dealing with an ABUSIVE partner"  and as you said there is *no reason* for abuse.  & then I explained that " I could & would comment on the infidelity but I won't because this isn't about infidelity it's about control, manipulation and emotional abuse. "  And I believe this is what you're saying in that the infidelity is a moot point because (or it isn't the issue) because it wouldn't matter if she cheated or not he'd come up with some other kind of thing that he make reason enough to be treating her like a prisoner.  The reason is a moot point &/or not the reason HE is the reason.  People seem to want to place the blame of Jeff's behavior every where but on Jeffrey which is why she'd said "the doctor was interested in destroying Jeffrey" that's ridiculas & I asnered her as much & I also said that none of this is tough to understand.  " This isn't hard to see *at all* & it isn't Dr. Phil who's looking to "destroy Jeff" or he wouldn't be getting him therapy!"  Frankly I agree in that I'm not sure how much therapy will help him or not, but I think if there is a chance in therapy helping to get this manic off this woman then Dr. Phil should be commended for anything he's done.   I'd also said "Do some reading & educate yourself on abuse" as well as saying that in the MANY OTHER LENGHTLY posts I've put here trying to explain abuse &/or educate on it. 

 

No one else had trouble understanding my meaning & I'm not sure how you got my post so wrong unless you were hitting "reply with quote" to my post that included the quote of the person I was answering thinking you were answering her? 

 
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May 4, 2007, 12:39 pm PDT

Jennifer I posted this on the other message board

but I wanted to put it here too in case you are reading along & yet didn't see it there. 

 

I understand there's a LOT of judgement on these message boards.  I really wanted to tell you to turn a blind eye to the nonsense of the blaming the victim here.  I can't imagine how upsetting it must be to hear people say the things they do/are, but they're wrong & there's something much more important to focus on right now & that's the safety of you & your children.  I'm not sure what has happened on the follow up shows that are to come but regardless of what kind of help this man does or doesn't get I'm imploring with you to stay villagent in security measures surrounding you and your children.  There was a woman on Oprah just last week who was actually putting her life back together as much as she could after the horrible murder of her children by the hands of her ex-husband.  You can read the original story here

http://www.berkeleydaily.org/article.cfm?archiveDate=03-29-02&storyID=11015   

and if you want to see her today you can just google Christine McFadden.  She's come a long way but the hell this woman had to endure is just too much. 

 

What I'm saying is don't waste time with people who have opinions that are good/bad or whatever because what is "thought here" on these messages boards doesn't matter in the least.  You know the truth and what you need to do is focus on the help being given to you right now & seeing what measure you can take so that you know you & your children don't become another headline!  I hope this works out for you and please know that you're in my thoughts & prayers. 

 
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