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Topic : 07/06 “Call it Off!”

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Created on : Friday, April 27, 2007, 01:58:22 pm
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(Original Air Date: 5/1/07) Have you ever wanted to shout out at a wedding when you heard, “Speak now or forever hold your peace”? Dr. Phil’s guests are at war and want their loved ones to think twice before walking down the aisle. Jessica says her parents, Ellen and Bruce, refuse to accept her boyfriend, Matt. The couple says Matt is a manipulative drug addict with a criminal past who has physically abused their daughter. Matt vows that he’s reformed and wants to make a fresh start. Should Jessica end her relationship, or should her parents butt out? Then, Jerry is 19 and about to say “I do” to his 30-year-old fiancée, Jessica. His siblings say Jessica is an opportunist looking for a father for her two small children. Jerry’s older brother, Jason, says Jerry is just confused, and he thinks Jessica seduced him. Jerry’s siblings also question Jessica’s fidelity, because they say she once flirted with Jerry’s older brothers. If Jerry is about to make the biggest mistake of his life, will he get a wake-up call before the wedding? Talk about the show here.

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May 4, 2007, 6:13 am PDT

30 yr old taking advantage

That woman Jessica, the 30 year old marrying the 19 year old BOY is completely taking advantage of him.  I doubt this is the first time she has used someone.  I think she should be on one of Dr. Phil's moocher shows.  She has two children and was living at her parents and now moving in with Jerry and his parents.  Why isn't she supporting herself and her children?  She was obviously looking for someone to marry and I'm sure she doesn't love that boy.  I just wanted to scream "Get a job and support your own kids!" at her and "Wake up!  This woman is the worst thing that could happen to you!" to Jerry.

 

A number of people have questioned Jerry's intellect.  He did come across as delayed.  In the very least he is under-mature for his age.   He also seemed to have alot of anger and resentment to his family.  Saying his siblings don't care and should burn in hell and all that.  I'm curious as to why Dr. Phil didn't question those comments he made about his family.  That, combined with the fact that his parents had no part in the show, makes me seriously wonder what his upbringing and family life is like.  Why aren't his parents objecting to this union???  Why would they let that woman, who is sooooo obviously taking advantage of their child, live in their house?  Maybe he hasn't ever felt loved by his family.

 

My main question is : What kind of person takes advantage of a 19 year old who is unexperienced and immature? I really had the feeling that something was very wrong with Jessica.  She just didn't seem like she cared at all about how this could really mess up Jerry's life.  If they are sooooo in love, why couldn't they just be boyfriend/girlfriend for a couple of years??  Then get married.  Also, I wonder what kind of mother this woman is.  Her kids are already calling this boy "Daddy" after two weeks??? How many other daddies have they been through??  She obviously has an agenda and I really feel bad for Jerry because he is being completely snowballed by this manipulative woman.  Is it just me or was there something missing from her?  Just something in her eyes really bothered me.  She didn't seem like she cared about him at all let alone loved him.  I think she is out for herself and couldn't give a damn how it could negatively effect anyone else (ie. Jerry, her kids, etc.)

 

I really really hope there is a follow up to this show.  I didn't believe for a second that that woman would go through any kind of counselling or postpone the wedding for even a day.  She didn't care at all what Dr. Phil was saying and she only agreed to wait to appease him. 

 
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May 4, 2007, 7:23 am PDT

GOD BLESS YOU

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IM married to someone 20 years younger then me and we have been happy for 12 years..we are still so in love with each other no issues no worries a good hard working loving man..he was 19 when we married...I dont think its an age issue ITS A MATURITY issue...just because your 30, 40, 50 does not mean your mature. I have seen older people who act as if their 3! I think it also includes what you have endured in your life...some grow up fast some dont..plan and simple..not all younger people are immature idiots
You are so right IT'S A MATURITY THING, my husband is 20 years younger then I and we have been blessed for 3 years this July. Life is good and God has blessed us with one another.
 
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May 4, 2007, 7:44 am PDT

GETTING MARRIED FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS

Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is a psychological disorder characterized by pervasive instability in moods, interpersonal relationships, self-image, and behavior.  This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual's sense of self-identity. 

 

While less known than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), BPD is more common, affecting 2% of adults (1-33), mostly females.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are:

 

 

Get Me Out of Here:  My Recovery from Borderline Personality Disorder by Rachel Reiland OR The Angry Heart:  Overcoming Borderline and Addictive Disorders by Joseph Santoro and Ronald Cohen

 

Don't Let Your Emotions Run Your Life:  How Dialectical Behavior Therapy Can Put You in Control by Scott Spradlin AND Emotional Unavailability:  Recognizing It, Understanding It and Avoiding Its Trap by Bryn Collins 

 

Why is it Always About You?  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss AND Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward

 

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm

 

 

Some of the story is typical:  early family conflicts, abusive relationships, feelings of insecurity contributing to destructive behaviors such as rage attacks, revenge, manipulations, promiscuity, addictions, self abuse and eating disorders.  The extreme behaviors of BPD constitute the high drama in the stories of those who endure its ravages.

 

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

 
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May 4, 2007, 10:17 am PDT

05/01 “Call it Off!”

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i was totally upset the other day when dr.phil told that young couple to wait before getting married because of the difference in their age. She was 30 and he was 19.  Well, Dr. Phil I say SO  WHAT!!!!!  I was 35 years old and my wife was 18 when we met. We have been together ever since. We will be married 17 years as of this August and we have a wonderful marriage. She is my best friend and I am hers. We get along just great and have so since the beginning. So, don't be telling people that age differences matter. If the two people love each other, what's the problem. If it doesn't work out between them, OH WELL!!!!!!. Isn't it ok to learn from experience. I was always taught that experience is the best teacher. I'll keep watching your show, because I like to dissagree with you and some of your tactics and advice. LIVE AND LET LIVE  DR. PHIL.

Thanks.

Dr. Phil made it clear that it wasn't just the age difference that was the issue, it was that the couple were on very different places in the arc of life.

 

Experience is a great teacher, but with two young children in the mix,

you can't just say "OH WELL" when it ends up not working out.

 
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May 4, 2007, 10:35 am PDT

GRANDMA77

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Well, let me say that my son has already made his mistake and EVERYONE in our family is paying the price. It's gone on now for almost a year, and i'm fixing to put an end to it, This girl that my son is with has torn our family apart, starting with my two sons. I loved her at one time, but now I have so much hate in me for her that if it wasn't for the prison doors, well...... but I know the consequences of those actions, but it got so bad that I called everyone of my family members and told them bye because I was to the point of killing my self. But it's not just me, it's my parents, my brothers, nieces, nephews, aunts, and all of my friends. No one wants any thing to do with her because she is dangerous for anyone to be around, She will stop at nothing to get what she wants, and i mean nothing, she even accused a military man of sexual harrassment just to get out the national guard because my son told her that he would not move off with her, then she accused my oldest son of sleeping with her, which may i add that he never liked her from day one. and that's what tore my sons apart. Then she, after being jealous enough to tell my son that he couldn't be around his own stp-sister, after she went through our sons, then she started on our daughters, then she tried to become in between me and one of my best friends, that didn't work, but it all died down a bit, then when our daughter was visiting, she went messaged our daughters mom through my space, to start from that end, this bitch just will not stop. I went and got a peacebond on her, but she has some of her friends message me and just any thing to get to me, that's what she'll do, She even blocked all of my son's family phone numbers to where none of us could call. There's just too much that she has done that it would take me till next week to tell ya!

It has gotten so bad that i called the DA again, and was told that if she didn't do anything to me straight out that i could do nothing. But i posted on my space that all their games were over, they could push me up against a wall, push me more and put my imprint in it, but i'll be damned if they use my family to pust me through it. Some how some way i'm putting a stop to it. I told my son that someone's gonna get hurt or she's gonna keep on till she cause's a killing, and won't that be great. I'm not saying that i havent' said anything, because i have, but it was only after she has done something to me, She even made that comments to me, first, she didn't do her dirty work in front of my son when she had called me at 12:38am bitching and gripping about our daughter, saying she wasn't gonna leave my son alone with any girl to f... him, and i ask to speak with him, but he was gone, and she said she knew how to kill me without even touching me, through stress because of my illness. I swear to God it's one of the biggest messes that i've ever seen one little 19 year old girl could cause, none of the men in our family will be around her because they are afraid of being accused of doing something to her. So this issue really needs to be dealt with before someone gets hurt or killed, I'm at my wits end. I have plenty of ppl that can tell you even more, SOMEBODY HELP ME QUICK!!!!!!!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO, BECAUSE IF THE DA DON'T DO SOMETHING WITH HER, SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA HAVE TO.

Google the signs and symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder and Anti-Social personality disorder. This girl sounds alot like a relative of mine. These people rarely ever change and she will destroy you all in the process. You will probably have to separate from your son until he finally realizes what a deceitful, manipulative person she is. These people divide and conquer, they pit everyone against eachother so nobody can get together and compare notes and figure out who the real liar is. It has almost destroyed my marriage and this person is not even a blood relative of ours!
 
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May 4, 2007, 11:27 am PDT

proposed after 2 weeks, married in 4 months

My husband and I were both offended by Dr. Phil's comment that anyone who marries after knowing each other only a few weeks is an idiot.  My husband and I met March 18th, 2003, he proposed 2 weeks later and we married July 12, 2003.  We have been very happily married for almost 4 years.  I must say we are not young and this is not our first marriage.  We both knew what we wanted out of life, our hopes, dreams, politics, religous beliefs.  We also did not have to raise children, we have 4, the youngest was 16 and is now 20.  We have never been happier.  We knew we were each others soul mate 1 hour after meeting at a singles dance.

So, Dr. Phil, it can work.

 
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May 4, 2007, 2:31 pm PDT

at odds over age

I don't know about the age difference between Jerry and Jessica being right or wrong, but they both seem a little slow. And why in the heck would Jerry's family let her and her children live in their home. If you can't afford you own place to live then you probably shouldn't be thinking about getting married!

Very strange people

 
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May 4, 2007, 4:41 pm PDT

Well

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RUN RUN RUN (lol sorry)  but still think  it's not a good idea. Also; I can see where this guy can see her as his way out and get some kind of freedom (I mean if you really consider trading one for the other to despite one lol). Questions here; do you really love each other ? what reasons are you getting married ? Just to get married is not a good reason. Out of desperation, that cannot be a good reason either.
I wanted to come back and say the age difference isn't really a big deal to me. I mean in the right context I guess. It's just on the show kids were involved and that tends to change everything. It could or could not involve complications. All I mean to say is that if two are truly compatible then go for it. However; if at different life experiences...it may be a good idea to postpone or not go through with it. Jerry just didn't appear ready to me; it seemed he was being manipulated. Though, his family issues definitely need to be addressed.
 
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May 4, 2007, 5:53 pm PDT

Dr. Phil Doesn't Believe In Soul Mates ...

Quote From: wifeandmother1

My husband and I were both offended by Dr. Phil's comment that anyone who marries after knowing each other only a few weeks is an idiot.  My husband and I met March 18th, 2003, he proposed 2 weeks later and we married July 12, 2003.  We have been very happily married for almost 4 years.  I must say we are not young and this is not our first marriage.  We both knew what we wanted out of life, our hopes, dreams, politics, religous beliefs.  We also did not have to raise children, we have 4, the youngest was 16 and is now 20.  We have never been happier.  We knew we were each others soul mate 1 hour after meeting at a singles dance.

So, Dr. Phil, it can work.

 and neither do I! There are many people who are potentially compatible. You do sound happy., though, so I'll just agree to disagree with you on this. Hopefully this is only the second marriage for both of you. You have heard his statistics on remarrying; with each new marriage, the chance of success goes way down. Also, I'm one to talk! I'm also on my second (and final!) marriage. My first husband was a narcissistic, abusive alcoholic who had married young. His first wife left him. I had low self-esteem and despite being beautiful and intelligent and working at MIT, I felt I had to accept this jerk's proposal! I left my home state of Mass and followed him to PA. I barely lasted the six years I stayed with him. Thank God we had no children. Turns out I was infertile. I met my second husband the same year I divorced the first, but this wise and wonderful man said I had to prove to myself that I could take care of myself before we made any sort of marital commitments. We did agree to be sexually exclusive, however! He had three boys from his first marriage, which ended four years earlier. If I had known the heartache these wonderful but frustrating stepchildren would one day bring! We married in 1993 and the boys were very happy to call me their stepmother. However,  I left the discipline up to my husband and his ex-wife. They had joint custody, but it seemed unfair, as he only saw them every other weekend and one night a week, plus one week for summer vacation. He did not get Thanksgiving and only a few hours on Christmas! Sadly, drugs swept through the area where the boys lived with their mother, her new (and now ex) husband and their three boys. The oldest died of an overdose on New Year's Eve 2005; the middle one is sober for now. The youngest never got involved. I still love my stepsons and do not judge them for their mistakes.

I did  have a child, my only one, after infertility surgery. My beautiful daughter was born four months after my 40th birthday in January 1996. She is incredible. I truly do feel blessed. Good luck to you and your new husband!
 
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May 4, 2007, 6:52 pm PDT

Dr. Phil ONLY show the bad one....

Of course his shows are for people with "problems".  Now, I agree 100% that the 30 year old woman IN THIS CASE should not marry the 19 year old "boy" IN THIS CASE.

 

Furthermore, I am truly sorry for the people that have had very similar experiences and are posting on this board.

 

HOWEVER, not all marriages with big age differences have these problems.  First, it requires a general level of intelligence on the part of both parties and, frankly, the couple on Dr. Phil's show were dumber than the rocks in my back yard.

 

But, these shows lead to the general public having negative opinions on these types of marriages and, for that reason, I must set the record straight.

 

Several years ago, I was a happily SINGLE and divorced lady and I was 37 years old.  I am well-educated with three college degrees and very financially secure through my own efforts.  I never had children for personal reasons and I have made all efforts to age gracefully and keep myself very physically fit.  I am a confirmed workaholic and capitalist.

 

As I said, I was 37, single, and happy. Through fate, I met a 20 year old young man that was in the US Army.  We met, had a good conversation, and I thought nothing of it.  He, on the other hand, had other thoughts and started to call me and ask me out.  I relented and went out with him.  We started dating.  Four months to the day that I met him, we were married.

 

I can't imagine life without him.  Yes, he was immature in many ways and didn't have knowledge of some basic life skills. I have no problem sharing my knowledge with such a great student and he has matured leaps and bounds.  A year in Iraq also helped mature him.

 

I am happier than I ever have been in my life.  He treats me like gold and, for that, I can put up with the occasional "kid" moment.  Besides, I try to act like a kid myself as much as possible because it keeps me positive and young.

 

I can't imagine life without him.  There are moments of profound sadness I experience when I realize that we won't have a marriage that lasts 50 years because I'll probably die before that.  I do wish we were closer in age, but I won't let that interfer with the happiness that we have now.

 

This October will be our third wedding anniversary. Yay!!!  I am only saddened by the fact that he will, once again, leave for a tour of duty in Iraq around that time. 

 
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