Topic : 05/03 Lay Down the Law

I think it is interesting how the grandmother (or maybe it was the grandfather) came on the board to share about the CPS and police taking the kids away from the mother when she

threatened to kill them and herself. It amazes me how these grandparents can get the police and CPS involved BUT, not manage to KEEP the granddaughter. Maybe that is because the CPS found the accusations unfounded!!!!! Just because the CPS and the police came does NOT in any way mean that a person is GUILTY of ANYTHING. Anyone can FABRICATE lies to make this

happen. If I don't like a person, I could essentially do the same thing. I can call CPS and claim anything! Whoopie doo!

Good mothers have had their children have lice.

Good mothers have children that might be slightly underweight.

Unhappiness can be a result of their father being in jail, a meth addict and grandparents like these.

A good grandmother doesn't hold the fact that the mother needed a break over her. She encourages and uplifts the family.

Any child can be given to grandparents by the CPS and police department. It does NOT mean the parent is at fault. It does not mean anything to anyone without facts and evidence. The fact is the child lives with the mother for ONE reason only and that is the accusations were UNFOUNDED!

One time is one time too many.  I agree that it is obvious that ANYONE and especially Dr. Phil BUT, these grandparents can help the kids and the mother. One thing that is obvious, the grandparents lack wisdom in the "helping" area. It doesn't suprise me that their son went to prison. The grandfather definitely lacks wisdom. He could be a fatherly figure and bond with his ex daughter in law. Instead he lets his frustrations about his son and his anger get in the way.

It's possible that Michelle needs a father figure and would listen to someone who demonstrates love and care for HER in the process. Instead, all I hear this grandfather do is yell, scream, rant and rave like a maniac.

I felt so band for the mother and even worse for the child. Those grandparents presented exactly as they were. In my opinion they don't have their son anymore so they want this grandchild as a substitute. it never ceases to amaze me how many people will attack the only parent that is there doing what they can, where has this child's father been all her life.

My exes parents are the same way. They tell anyone and everyone who will listen how terrible and neglectful I am. They have called children & youth on me numerous times when my daughter was little making accusations that were so outrageous it doesn't sound believable when I repeat them.  Of course they come out because they are required by law to do so, they leave a case open for 30 days and shred the file when the case is unfounded.  I think those grandparents are a bit crazy. They reminded me of my exes mom and dad. The mom sits there crying and begging to see the child, trying to garner sympathy with this poor grama act. The dad is an obvious control freak.

I just seriously would like to know what on earth makes them think they have the right to interfere with the relationship between the mother and child. That child is not in danger of anything. The only things those grandparents will do is destroy her self esteem and spirit, what a  shame.

We recently went to court and things like this came up, thankfully the judge saw it for what it was and grandparents were told flat out that their relationship with our daughter is a privilege and not a right. For the record I have maintained a relationship with them for years because I thought my daughter deserved the opportunity to know and love them, it wasn't enough for them. Now they don't bother with her at all because when they call me foul names and tell her how terrible of a mother I am she defends me, she shouldn't have to defend me because she shouldn't be put in that place. When she defends me they tell her I have brainwashed her against them and that she's a trouble making b**** just like me.

I have had to defend my parenting abilities many times for zero reason. I get sick and tired of stating how my daughter is a healthy, happy and well adjusted straight A student. I am thankful that I at least had more intelligence than they did and more concern for my daughter, even though I think they are rotten and evil I'd never say that to her. I love her too much to poison her innocent mind or to attempt to turn her against anyone, that type of attitude will surely carry into adulthood and I am trying to raise a productive member of society who has respect for herself and others.

The main reason I think people do things like this is because it's the only way they can convince someone to care about them. Those grandparents are like, your mother is so terrible but we'll save you. The child is nothing more than a prop for them to take out their frustrations and bitterness on her mother. Maybe their time would be better served just enjoying watching her grow and why the hell aren't they upset with their son for being a crappy father? i suppose that's the mom's fault too.

I am so sick of hearing about grandparents rights...with rights usually come set responsiblities. Grandparents have NO responsiblities set in court. This is why the world is the way it is...the parent(s) of a child have their hands tied when it comes to their children!

I was in a situation with my own parents and moved 1700 miles away from my parents so I could raise my children without interference!  My children, three in total, are doing so much better without all the drama of the relationship with their grandparents!

Michelle MOVE AWAY NOW! Save your childrent from this disfunction! These grandparents had their chance with their own child and it seems failed miserably!!! Get out while your children have a chance at a normal life!

Parents have a right to raise their children and also to determine, without court interference, who can be involved with their children!

Michele should have a copy of this tape to prove how nuts they actually are if/when they try to get her back into court. They are lucky the people on this message board aren't the judge and jury, or they would be done for!! I have watched Dr. Phil since his show first came on T.V., and this one just made me mad, mainly at him! He sat there and let those "grandparents" trash and verbally attack Michele, and he didn't do a thing about it. This show was probably the smartest thing Michele could have done, but the dumbest thing for the grandparents. Any judge in their right mind that takes one look at this show would never give those people unsupervised visitation, let alone custody! I saw another post a few pages back where "cindyphn" (a.k.a. the grandmother) had made a quote when someone else called Michele a young mother, cindyphn said "she is 32"!! Well, I am going to be 30 this year, and I consider that to still be a young age. Michele is a young mother, she is a you single mother (no thanks to them and their easily influenced son), and I am sure she struggles enough in her life without the insults and harrassment from those 2 whackos!! I also caught grandma saying "my daughter" more than once, and I honestly do not believe any of the accusations that those two are making against Michele. They are mean, cruel, and selfish people, and this show proved the extremes that some people are willing to go through just to ruin someone's life.

Dr. Phi, if you are reading this, why didn't you stand up for Michele instead of letting the grandparents tear her down like you did? Why didn't you catch onto Cindy when she referred to the little girl as "her daughter" after about the 3rd time she had said it? Maybe you need to watch this one again and catch all of the mistakes that you made with this situation. I know it is not only myself that believes those grandparents were completely in the wrong; 99.9% of this message board also saw how unfairly Michele was treated. I think that you need to do a follow up show with this "family" and let Michele have her time to speak. When this one first aired, and you threatened to remove the grandfather, I was really hoping that you would. And, when you asked Michele if she wanted you to put a muzzle on Cindy, I was hoping she would have said yes. Someone should have shut those two up after the first 10 minutes of the show.