Topic : 08/09 Overweight and Forgotten

DEAR LORNA

I DO NOT KNOW HOW LONG IT HAS BEEN SINCE YOU WERE ABLE TO SHAVE YOUR LEGS;SIT CROSSED LEGGED; GET DOWN ON TO YOUR HANDS AND KNEES TO RETRIEVE SOMETHING;GO OUT FOR A MILE WALK AT A CRISP PACE;TIE YOUR SHOES;SEE YOUR TOES STANDING UP; HAVE SPACE IN YOUR EASYCHAIR AFTER YOU SIT DOWN;CLIMB COMFORTABLY INTO A CAR AND DRIVE WITH EASE;GET DRESSED IN A FLASH;GO CLOTHES SHOPPING BECAUSE YOU FEEL GOOD;USE A SMALL PLATE TO PUT A REALISTIC AND HEALTHY MEAL ON;DRINK ONLY SUGARFREE SODA;HAVE NO TROUBLE LOOKING IN THE MIRROR HEAD TO TOE;FEEL TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH YOU AND NOT WORRY ABOUT HOLDING ONTO A MAN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HOIST YOURSELF UP FOR THE MANY MULTI TASKS OF A NORMAL DAY.....AND THE LIST GOES ON.

WHAT DO YOU CHOOSE TO DO?

IN A YEAR IF YOU FOLLOW DR. PHILS  DIET AND EXCERISE PLAN YOU CAN COME ON THE SHOW AND NO ONE WILL HAVE THE WILDEST GUESS THAT THAT LOVELY WOMAN WAS A SAD,PAINFUL CREATURE ENTRAPPED IN AN OVERCOAT OF SELF ABUSE AND AVOIDANCE.

COME ON OUT AND LIVE;WON'T YOU?

LOVE,

EMPRESS 60

I don't recall making any comparisons to loaves of bread: the fact remains, bagels are a poor choice for anyone who wants to maximize nutrition and minimize calories.    Eaten regulary in place of other choices, they can contribute to or cause weight gain.

 Bagels range in caloric count from barely 200 to over 400. They have a high-glycemic index and little nutritive value in relation to many other choices.  Additional topping such as butter or cream cheese can push the calories into big Mac territory,  all the while the person may have the idea that a bagel is some kind of health food.

Lorna herself admits eating like a pig "in the past"; gluttony  helped put her in her big chair dependent on others.   Assuming she eats exactly what she says she is eating,  she is not only consuming  a daily excess of calories but is probably malnourished,  despite her large size.

What Lorna should eat instead of a bagel is food in appropriate portions, that stabilizes blood sugar,  is high in fiber and nutrients, and which are low enough in calories to help her return to a weight where she is not helpless.

I place of a Lenders bagel at 210 (plain),  she should have one serving of steel-cut oats or oat bran,  prepared withwith a half cup of low glycemic index berries ( frozen are very economical) such as blueberries, raspberries, or blackberries.   If she can't afford berries,  half a small apple chopped adds fiber and flavor and pectins that help control appetite.   Beta-gluccans in the oats slow down absorpstion and release of the carbohydrate energy,  stabilizing blood sugar.

Instead of blood sugar spike from the bagel,  which might contribute to her soda cravings,  her energy will stay at a steady level until time for a mid-morning snack.   

In the alternative, a single plain yogurt with fruit ( greek yogurt is lowest in carbs and high in protein) with berries on the top is a good breakfast or midday snack.

Give the "morality is a personal choice" stuff a rest, I'm not buying it.   We all have an obligation to take care of ourselves.

congratulations to you for being procative about your weight.

 

i just want to clarify that the comments i have made are not to judge Lorna because she is fat.  oh no.  i am not a fan of her selfishness, her negativity, blaming others, not taking responsibility for her own choices,  laying guilt on her family, and her sense of entitlement.  if she were rail thin and had these quality traits i would be saying all the same things. 

 

if there was a skinny woman on doc. phil who was in an abusive relationship, everyone would be saying she needs to get away from him.  if it was a skinny woman who had a manservant doing everything for her, people would be saying the same things - that he should stop abusing and enabling her.

 

i understand that people are sensitive about their weight (regardless if they are heavy or thin) but what i dont understand is why people think any critisism made about Lorna is biased because she is obese.  no. 

You would have to follow the thread of conversation back...when you called me a "wiseacre" I was responding to someone else's post that you seemed fit to defend. That is how "threads" work.

" We all have an obligation to take care of ourselves."

No, we don't. It would be nice if we all did, but everyone has a vice, whether it be bagels or judging others.

No one is saying bagels are a great food choice...all anyone is saying is that it's not the AH-HA that the original poster made it out to be...as if bagels are the magic key to this woman's nearly 700 lbs.  They are not the key to my 250 lbs. I don't eat them. I eat other bad foods. I also eat good foods. I eat, (as I have been learning about myself lately) to hurt myself. I get joy out of self mutilation. I need MENTAL help for that. If I fix my diet I will lose weight, but I won't be "taking care of myself"...Our bodies are not the only way we can take care of ourselves.

I believe Lorna was less than enthusiastic about Dr Phil's generous offer of 24/7 help and training, because she believes she will lose her boyfriend.  You could see her hesitance at the more than generous offer - her hold over him is that she NEEDS him.

 

Love your show

 

Debbie

 

Give the "morality is a personal choice" stuff a rest, I'm not buying it.   We all have an obligation to take care of ourselves.

 

i agree with this philosophy.  as my friend Todd would say "you have to look after your body - where else ya gonna live".  its so true.  no one else will do it for you.

 

Poor food choices are a "secret ingredient" to overweight.  Bagels are a poor choice for an obese person, given the available alternatives. 

I never even hinted I thought you were a bagel eater, so where did that snark in your other reply come from?  Your sarcasm couldn't have been plainer...it's the sarcasm I was asking about.

You were ridiculing the original poster's posit that bagels are a bad food choice.   Well, they are.  I htink that's been discussed ad nauseum.

I don't really understand your point .   It's obvious to anyone that self-destructive compulsive behaviours seem to run in packs,  but that doesn't make bagels a good food choice,  or negate the fact that there are "head" issues right in there with the hand-to-mouth issues.
Its not as if both can't be true.

You seem to be impatient with people who think Lorna could lose weight if she ate different food.

I do think she is responsible, I just don't think that fixing the diet of someone who is this fat will fix the problem. People don't get to be 650 lbs JUST BECAUSE they don't eat right.  There is a REASON they don't eat right. There is a REASON, there is a pay off somewhere in eating this much for her. There is for me. I get the pay off of that endorphin rush. I get to hurt myself. I have issues, I am very aware that I do.

I have been thin, I have been fat. And I have never experienced the disrespect, the dismissal of my words, the hateful looks when I was thin. Just the other day I was out walking (yes bagel lady if you are reading, I walk everyday and I have oatmeal for breakfast afterward...) and a thin lady was jogging ahead of me on a long stretch of sidewalk. 3 piggish men all moved out of her way, 2 got completely off the sidewalk.  Now, when I walked by, (the ugly fat lady) none of them moved over even an inch...*I* had to move off the sidewalk to avoid being burned by one guy's cigarette.

I have a million stories like that.

I have no idea if you are thin or fat. I do know that if a person has been fat that they know what I am talking about, when people who have always been thin do not know. It's night and day, the difference in the way you are treated.

(BTW, this poster knew I was fat because I said so in my post...she then went on to treat me as if I DO eat bagels, even though I clearly said I do not. I made a sarcastic comment that maybe she found my post unnecessary to read because I am fat...and it's not a leap. This is why I like the internet. People don't know I'm fat, so I get an even playing field with thin people.)

sorry to horn in on this bagel debate - i dont want to argue about bagels with anyone.....(cuz i love 'em with cream cheese). - i just want to address some of the other stuff that is being said.

 

i do think we have an obligation to take care of ourselves.  i am not judging here - (please understand i am not a workout/energy bar person), but i do try to be balanced.  i think it is important to remember balance, not "perfection" (whatever that is).  

 

everyone has a vice - that i agree with....and i should probably get away from these msg boards before it becomes another vice for me ;)

 

This line doesn't make sense:

"it would be nice if we all did [have an obligation to take care of ourselves], but everyone has a vice..."

The two are not mutually exclusive.  Granting your statement that "we all have our vices", we may all have a vice, AND an obligation to take care of ourselves.

I reject completely the idea that laying one's own body to waste is morally neutral or morally OK.