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(Original Air Date: 05/08/07) Is it possible to be in love with two men at the same time? Orlena is desperate for help. She says she still has feelings for her ex-husband, Chad, and she adores her current husband, Brent. Chad is a soldier and when duty called, he fought in Iraq. He returned home a changed man and their love shattered forever. What changed Chad, and what caused Orlena to leave him? Devastated and heartbroken, Orlena moved on and into the arms of Brent. Two months after marrying Brent, Chad called and begged Orlena to come back. Find out Brent's strong message for Chad. Since Chad made initial contact with Orlena, they have talked numerous times, and he even spent three days visiting her. What has she been saying to Chad, and are the chats appropriate for a married woman to have? And, will Orlena honor her commitment to Brent or return to the man who broke her heart? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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August 7, 2007, 6:12 pm PDT

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She made the commitment before GOD (as it showed in the tape) and many others (family and friends) to give herself to Brent: for better or worse, in sickness or in health, forsaking all others and keeping only to him as long as she lives.  nothing in the vow says for as long as I feel like it. Nothing in the vows say will keep only to Brent UNLESS Chad comes back. Nothing in the vow say as long as he treats me like he did when we were dating...

A vow should not be quickly broken read your Bible and find out what God thinks of broken vows to Him. Marriage is serious business. I hope that She will get to her church and find a lady's group to help her be the wife that she vowed to be. With God all things are possible. Dr Phil was accurate in mentioning that the statistics are poor for re-married ex's but statistics or not  She vowed to be HIS wife. She needs to honor her word and change her actions. feelings may change but if they don't the actions must.

Marriages are witnesses to the familes involved as to your integrity and character. Do the right thing  consider the future. Will neices and nephews say..she did it so I can too? or parents and grandparents wonder what they did wrong that you didn't understand what marriage ment?  Apologize to  Brent say I am sorry ,I was a wrong, Please forgive me and whatever his response listento HIm and have no regrets for obeying God.

I agree 100% with you. Right on!
 
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August 7, 2007, 6:14 pm PDT

Hmmmm? What a gal!

I seriously wonder about this young woman.  She seemed unaffected by the mess she's created.  The pain and hurt registered on both these young men's faces, but not hers.  It was almost as if she reveled in the manipulation of them both.  I couldn't give a diagnosis, but one wonders what kind of a person could cause such heartache without blinking.  Is she afraid of getting too close to anyone?  Is she purposefully sabotaging relationship after relationship?  Does she not want intimacy beyond a certain level?  She strikes me as someone men might think twice about dating....or certainly marrying.  Could she have BPD?  I wonder....
 
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August 7, 2007, 6:14 pm PDT

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Orleana did what we used to call "caught the new person on the rebound."  She just did not have enough experience to know it.  I agree with all of Dr Phil's analysis.  I think that she was grieving over her first loss when the second man came along.  It was her way out of the pain.  She probably did have feelings for the second man along with those for her first husband.  They used to tell us in Parents Without Partners that it takes from 2-5 years after a break-up to be ready for a new and permanent relationship or marriage.  I do believe that to be true.  This is too bad or sad for her second husband, but it is what it is. 

 

I would venture a guess that at this stage she does not know who she loves.  It is probably very confusing to her.  If she cannot turn her first husband loose, I think she should live with him for a while and see how that works.  I do not know of any law that says she has to be married immediately.  This is not such a terrible predicament.  It is part of life.  If it does not work, there are jillions of men plus her second husband out there who would love to have her.  Maybe she needs to try some different men at this stage and get a little experience and clear her head.  I think her second husband should have been on the look out for that predicament.

 

I am a man but that always worked for me with different women.   

 

HaroldB537 

 

WELL PUT--HAROLD
 
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August 7, 2007, 6:17 pm PDT

Torn Between Two Husbands

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I think you are absolutely correct! True love doesnt have to make a choice. If she truly loved Brent, then it would be easy for her to say, "No, I'm married. Please leave me alone." But, evidently, she doesnt truly love him. But another question is... does she truly love chad. If she did then dont you think she wouldnt have give up on the relationship so easily? And dont you think that it would be easy for her to decide that she wants to be with chad? I think that she wanted to come on national tv and let dr. phil tell her what to do, but he didnt say what she wanted to hear (be with chad). I feel for brent when he has to put up with his wife and her past when he wasnt even involved with what happened in the past. I think he needs to let her go. He shouldnt have to wait around for his WIFE to decide whether or not she wants to be with him because someone else is now in the picture. Thats just unfair to him. Thats his wife, that means forever. Not until someone better comes along, whether it be new or from the past. All in all, she doesnt truly love either one.

I totally agree with you. She should go back with Chad. Because she loves him and never got over  him. You shouldn't stay married to someone you don't love. They don't have children. Life

is short follow your heart and be honest, in the long run everyone will be happy. Dr. Phil contradicted himself, he told Brent to move on that he shouldn't have to live with someone

who doesn't love him. But then he told Olena to stay with Brent. and work it out. You can't have it both ways. Brent looks like a wonderful man, he deserves someone to love him honestly and

be devoted only to him.

 
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August 7, 2007, 6:20 pm PDT

Collateral damage

Two weeks after I returned from Vietnam, my ex wife went to hug me while I was asleep. I reacted on automatic, without thought and grabbed her by the throat. When she screamed in terror I awoke and realized I was home and not in Vietnam and that she was my wife and not an enemy sapper. The emotional shut downs, the spontanious outbursts, hybervigilance, are manifestations of PTSD. The lines to the old song ' When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again' are a myth, for  the Johnny that comes home is not the same one who left. A part never comes home again, because it's dead and all the Kings horses and all the Kings men can never put Johnny together again.

 

In closing I stongly suggest you reserch the publications of Dr. Stephen Strack Staff Psychologist Department Of Veteran Affairs before you deal with the relationship problems involving a combat veteran.

 

P.S.

There are booklets, on PTSD, available at Vet Centers throughout the Los Angeles area. I suggest you procure one for yourself, one for Oreina, one for her husband and one for her ex husband.

 

Sincerly,

Bill

 
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August 7, 2007, 6:21 pm PDT

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I saw the show today and I could not beleave that girl. She should not be talking to her ex husband while she is married to Brent.I think both of those guys should show her the door. They both seem like nice guys, but I think  thay desire someone that will treat them better then that.
 
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August 7, 2007, 6:25 pm PDT

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I totally agree with you. She should go back with Chad. Because she loves him and never got over  him. You shouldn't stay married to someone you don't love. They don't have children. Life

is short follow your heart and be honest, in the long run everyone will be happy. Dr. Phil contradicted himself, he told Brent to move on that he shouldn't have to live with someone

who doesn't love him. But then he told Olena to stay with Brent. and work it out. You can't have it both ways. Brent looks like a wonderful man, he deserves someone to love him honestly and

be devoted only to him.

I didnt realize it, but he did contradict himself! Wow.. good point! I just think that if we were in her shoes, it wouldnt be so easy to sit here and say what we would do or not do. ;)
 
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August 7, 2007, 6:27 pm PDT

Torn b/t 2 Husbands, Seeing it From Orlena's Side

 

 

I am also active duty military and have never commented on the message board until today b/c it hit  close to home.  There is so much more to the situation that most people will never understand, no matter how much it is decscribed, to include money, benefits, and most importantly, co-location, among other things. 

 

When Orlena said that most people leave a relationship because it was bad, the feelings weren't there, it was abusive, or whatever the case may be, that is NOT true for the majority of military relationships!  I know that it may sound odd, but there are so many other factors.   

 

I commend Dr. Phil for his thoughts, beliefs, and actions, and I have always agreed totally with Dr. Phil, until today.  The one thing that I don't agree with is when he asked Orlena if she was doing it for the attention.  No!  Orlena said that Chad was not coming back and that is how she reconciled it in her head.  The military sometimes sends you in a direction that you would not have chosen in a million years and sometimes you NEED to reconcile things in your head so you don't self-destruct.  It may sound like a game that she was going to lose, when she sent the papers to her then-husband, but I understand how it was a cry for attention.  The military, especially leaving the country and dealing with death, has a way of focusing one's attention on other things, and not necessarily a relationship, even true love.  Crazy, I know, but I just recently lost my friend in Iraq and I can tell you first-hand that you tend to think of other things, not necessarily your one true love, until in Chad's case, she was gone and he was refocused on what life was offering him.  I had to leave my ex-boyfriend, whom I still love and care about, because it was not in the military's plans that we be together.  We were different branches of service, different job titles, and we would NEVER be stationed together again.  I did not leave the relationship because he was bad to me or neither one of us had strong feelings for each other, but that we were so young, not even old enough to drink legally, I was afraid infatuation was playing a part in the relationship and if I had waited 5 years until I was out of the military, where would we be then besides wishful thinkers? 

 

The second point that I would like to bring up is that Orlena was not having a sexual affair, but an emotional one.  Although she was naive to think that there was nothing wrong with an emotional affair, I have to say that I somewhat understand.  Having intercourse while married is wrong!  No ifs, ands, or buts about it!. But wondering about what you may have missed or what road lay ahead of you is different, in my opinion, especially if you have such fond memories of how great the relationship was, but it had to change, because the military, more specifically realism, slapped you in the face.  Orlena, I commend you for your honestly.  You know what you should technically say, especially on national t.v. to avoid criticism, yet you dove right in and told what you were really feeling.  Wrong, right, or ugly, you can pat yourself on the back for your courage and honesty.

 

I do feel horrible for Brent because he doesn't deserve to be trapped in this emotional turmoil.  He seems like an awesome genuine person and deserves to be with a woman that truely respects him!  However, I do know exactly where Orlena is coming from and I do not want to bash the way she has acted.  The only thing that I want Orlena to do is to make up her mind, one way or the other, and to live life with no regrets.  I have been married now for over 3 years, to another military member, and although I sometimes think of how my life may have been with my ex, who was also great to me at the time, I realize that I have made a commitment, my current love is absolutely great to me, and although we need to roll with the punches that the military gives us, I have made my decision, I love him, and I want to be with him for the rest of my life, and as long as he is still great to me, I am sticking with that!

 

And, as I reread what I have wrote, I want to say that although I understand Orlena's situation, I do not know who she should chose as a life partner, only she can answer that.  Of course Orlena will kick herself if she leaves Brett, who seems like a amazing person, but if she stays with Brett for the rest of her life, it will NOT be fair for either person.  Orlena will always think, "What if?" and Brett really really deserves better than a woman who will him only half of her heart.  And Chad, I do not think you are a bad person by any means.  You love Orlena and she is clearly leading you on, so although you respect their marriage, you are not stalking her and she is leading you on.  She needs to decide, one way or the other, and stick with it, and Chad, respect that decision., one way or the other.

 

Brett, you are gorgeous and deserve better, whether you stay with Orlena or not.  This whole time I have been defending Orlena's situation because I see it from her side, but because I see it from her side, I am very confident telling you that many other women would love to have you, whole-heartedly, and that you should do what is best for you!  I believe that matrimony should be for the rest of your life, but you still need to think of your needs.

 
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August 7, 2007, 6:29 pm PDT

torn?

Orlena really made me want to reach into the television and shake her. When she found out her husband Chad was going away to Iraq, that was the time you embrace him and assure him no matter what you support him 100%. I know she said she would wait for him, but obviously she lied. You do take a vow for better or worse. My opinion of course is just that.  I am a proud Marine wife and I have a husband who has served in Iraq twice. Believe me when I say I have met quite a few woman who were so emotional that their husbands were gone, that they packed up and left them, gave up on their husbands and marriage, or found somebody else to fill that void, not fair.  I mean they have so many people you can go to to help you thru these deployments. Nobody can begin to understand what these people go thru over there in Iraq. I was scared of course, my husband was a changed man, but he didn't even know what was going on himself, but one thing for sure was without my love and support  and PATIENCE, we got thru it.  I still don't know a lot of what my husband went thru out there and I probably will never know. It also took lots of prayers, but God gave me a strength I never knew I had to stick by my husband and take care of my kids and my family. Nobody can tell Orlena what to do, but it's kind of obvious what  she wants, she still loves Chad and she needs to let Brad go because he deserves  someone who gives him their WHOLE HEART!
 
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August 7, 2007, 6:36 pm PDT

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This story scares me it is so close to home. My... I'll say fiancé, although we lived together and had made plans to be married there was nothing formal has just destroyed everything we had. He has been back from Iraq for over a year now. We have been together since he has been out of the army but I've known him for 8 years of my life. We had a great relationship loving home no real issues and one day out of the blue he was a different man. He turned off EVERY emotion he had. He can't cry, hurt, love, feel happy... In one weekend out of the blue he left me packed up and moved everything back to his home state. I am in shock, I love this man and I want to support him but it seems the only way I can do that is not be in his life and be as emotionless as he is, when I do have those brief conversation with him on the phone. I tried to get him to go to a VA hospital but he hasn't made any moves to do so. I told him he needs help, and his response was the only help I need is I have no emotions. This really scares me I don't know what else to do, and I really haven't let go of him either. And I feel like if I move on and he says he wants me back I would be there. How much time can I give a person like this? He is working through a mental block and I cant imagine abandoning someone with an illness. Please help!

You are dealing with PTSD...learn about it, booklets are available at VA centers.......try to get him to learn about PTSD.  It is common for the Vet to refuse help.....I live with a Vietnam combat Vet and after four years of struggle and finding the right treatment we are still together.......It is possible if the Vet will accept help, but there are many important things to learn.  The VA will often over medicate Vets and this can only aggravate the problem.....YOU MUST LEARN all you can about the illness.  It is not just a mental block and it does not just go away, but you can learn to live with it.  WE ARE!
 
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