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Topic : 05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Created on : Friday, May 04, 2007, 12:13:43 pm
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The incredible drama continues involving Jeffrey, an obsessive husband who won’t let go of his wife, Jennifer. After the last show, Jeffrey is on his way back to the treatment facility, when his anger gets the best of him, and he jumps out of the car and goes on the run. He finally calls his therapist from a taxi cab, but soon after is on the loose again. After four hours and a frenzy of phone calls with Dr. Phil show producers, see what Jeffrey demands. With the stress and pressure getting the best of her, Jennifer sits down with Dr. Phil to discuss their next step. In a hurried panic, Jennifer heads home and is shocked by what she finds when she walks in the front door. She takes her kids and flees to her mother’s house. Even though she’s in a safe place, why does she say she still lives in fear? Then, Jennifer’s attorney files papers and meets Jeffrey in front of a judge. Will Jeffrey be able to comply with the judge's orders? And, Jeffrey resumes talk with the Dr. Phil staff. What is he asking for? Jeffrey’s behavior continues to shock and mystify Jennifer and leaves her with only one choice. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 13, 2007, 6:32 am PDT

Terrifying!!

Dr Phil,

 

I am hopeful that you will be able to help this woman truly understand the danger she is facing.  This is absolutely terrifying and this man obviously needs serious help.  We read about these situations all to often, however, it is usually too late and the maniac has acted out. 

 

He appears so cold and calculating and I could see that you are all to well aware of this horrible situation.  Are the things that he is doing allowable under the law.  HELP!!!   Can you have him put away for all of the things he admitted to on the show?   Good luck.  You are an incredibly brilliant man and I am confident I will not be hearing something horrible happened to this woman. 

 
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May 13, 2007, 6:36 am PDT

Hmm

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Not only that.  Why did she, throughout both days of the show, say where she was going?  "I'm going Iowa."  "I'm going to Virginia."  Keep your mouth SHUT.  She did realize she was on a NATIONAL show and people have TiVo, right?

This show taped in March.  It wasn't aired until this week.  How would he have known anything she said while the show was being taped unless someone from the show was telling him where she was going?  Think, people!  The show wasn't live!

 

FYI, how can someone make plans when her phone is bugged?  How can someone change her phone number if HE activated the account?  He had total control over her.  Even smart people like you can be led to believe there is no way out after eleven years of abuse.  Get over yourselves and accept that the guy is crazy and will stop at nothing to harm her!  You don't know how an abused woman is going to act after all these years unless you are her.  

 
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May 13, 2007, 6:42 am PDT

So Much For Creative Care #2

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Be giving Jeff access, his actions show his state of mind to the therapists there.  If he had gone 3 weeks with access and left Jennifer alone in all that time it really would have spoke volumes in regards to his ability and desire to recover.  Perhaps he might have had one or two slips, but it still would have been oK.  However, in reality, Jeff's actions spoke volumes in regards to his "lack of recovery."  This is important to document for the police and therapists.

Using a Computer,  Telephone or even Writing letters while in Rehab are things you must EARN by your Behavior

The fact that they allowed him to to continue to harass and spy on his wife,does him or her no good. You mean to tell me no one saw him call his wife 16 times

Also there was no need for the main therapist  to tell him on the show that his wife was going ( Divorce ) in a different direction. That's why he ran... They could have waited 'till they got him back to Creative Care to tell him such devastating news

 
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May 13, 2007, 6:50 am PDT

ENOUGH!

This whole scenario reminds me of the movie "Enough" with Jennifer Lopez.  That guy was a whack-job and this Jeffrey character ranks right up there mentally with the guy in that movie.  To put her into a sort of "wife protection" situation would further remove her from being able to associate with her family and friends.  She needs to arm herself with all the resources she can find so that when she does leave to make a new life for herself, she can protect herself and her children when he shows up....and HE WILL!  He needs serious help and sadly enough, it's probably going to take him doing something that will put them in harms way before the law will step in and lock the loon up.  By his demeanor on the show and his actions throughout the entire show, it's obvious that he's not interested in anyone but himself.  I realize that he is currently locked up but he will get out and go right back after her.  He talks about how he wants to see his kids but I'm getting the vibe that isn't it at all....it's HER he wants contact with.  A rational mind would tell him that even in the event of a divorce, he could still see his kids but it all boils down to a control issue with him.....he would take them and hold them hostage to further hurt her.  I'm afraid death is the only thing that would stop him.......so sad.

 
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May 13, 2007, 7:21 am PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Have you ever been emotionally abused?  I have.  You fight like hell to keep your freedom, going out with friends, etc.....you invite him along to show him nothing's going on and it's not enough.  When I got home from work and changed my clothes I was accused of "dressing down" for him.  No matter what I did, it wasn't enough.  He was still convinced I didn't love him enough, that I was going to leave him, and he was right, I did.  Not for another man, for me.  And a "little" obsessive/compulsive?  No such thing.  You can try to blame her all you want, he was the crazy one.
 
     yes...there are degrees in every disorder...there is a continuum. How voyeuristic everyone is when it comes to opening the private livesof other people.  I'm not blaming Jennifer..I was sayingthat they were in a freaky psychological war and that was not addressed.  If you're really afraid to be in the company of someone, afraid for your life...instinct would kick in and tell you howto defuse a situation I would hope...and then take the steps toleave.  Women are afraid to be on welfare, lose their place in the hierachy of society, raise their children alone...they'd rather stay...I suppose Jeffrey was desperate trying to keep everything together knowing that it was an eleven year investment with children but someone has to say...enough is enough and cut your losses and leave...talkshows...like this and many others proport that you're just lazy if youcan't find work...tell all of the unemployed people out there that andyou'll get an earfull.  But that is another story.  I totallydisagree with you.  I see why, after reading many of these posts, as to why our mental health care system gets an F.   We live in a very dysfunctional society...the prison system is full of people with developmental disabilities (learning disabilities) and menatl illness.  Is this working for us...?   Are we doing a good job?   Are you proud to humiliate and denigrate the mentally ill and incarcerate them in institutions that offer sub-treatment programs that really works with positive outcomes..not brainwashing?   It wasn't that long ago that husbands who head strong wives or promiscuous women were diagnosed as mentally ill and sent away.   I think we need to take a good hard look once again at how we treat the mentally disturbed and  each case reviewed with a sense of compassion for all involved.   Find a plan and an approach that has a positive outcome for all and follow an ethical way to deal with it.  We don't because we are all in the fast lane racing for the finish line and that doesn't work with human behaviour.   They really thought that sending Jeffrey away for a few weeks would turn it around?   I don't think so...it just was a ploy to make a television show more intriguing for the voyeuristic group that is 'addicted' to such folly.   I think the entire situation is very sad and irresponsible.
 
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May 13, 2007, 7:25 am PDT

so tell me, seschris

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I totally agree with you.  Real abused women don't act like she does.

how DO real abused women act? 

 

Do you have a definition of 'good' abused women vs. 'bad' abused women? 

 

Taking that thinking a step further; a bad abused  woman deserves what she gets?  While a good one garners sympathy and respect?

 

I remain shocked and sickened by the blame Jennifer mentality.  This sort of head-in-the-sand attitude is what keeps victims of domestic abuse and violence trapped in their relationships.  Please, take the time to research and educate yourself on the subject.  We need all the help we can get.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 
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May 13, 2007, 7:40 am PDT

WHAT'S NEXT?!

DR PHIL --- I WANT TO KNOW WHEN/IF YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS SHOW.  SURELY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO JUST LET THIS DROP NOW!  WHEN WILL YOU CONTINUE?  ALL OF US HAVE INVESTED TIME, WORRY, AND POSTS REGARDING JEFFREY.   WILL YOU PROVIDE JENNIFER AND HER CHILDREN WITH NEW IDENTITIES AND HELP THEM TO RELOCATE WHERE JEFFREY CANNOT FIND THEM?  PLEASE INFORM US OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. 

 

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO POSTED THAT THIS IS JENNIFER'S FAULT FOR CHEATING ON HIM:  IF YOU HAD A SPOUSE WHO TREATED YOU THE WAY THIS IDIOT TREATED JENNIFER, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND HOW EASY IT WAS FOR JENNIFER TO REACT TO A STRONG SHOULDER AND A COMPASSIONATE EAR.  I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHAT SHE DID WAS RIGHT; I'M SAYING THAT IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE AS TO WHY IT HAPPENED.  REGARDLESS, THAT STILL DOES NOT MERIT JEFFREY'S OBSESSION AND DISCONNECTED PSYCHOLOGICAL BEHAVIOR!

 

JENNIFER: GOD SPEED IN KEEPING YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN SAFE!  DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, PERMIT JEFFREY TO HAVE UNSUPERVISED VISITATIONS WITH YOUR CHILDREN.  IF YOU DO, I CAN PROMISE THAT HE WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO WIN YOU BACK AND/OR TO SCARE YOU (THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT --- HE HAS BEEN USING SCARE TACTICS TO CONTROL YOU) AND WOULD NOT STOP AT TAKING YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES OR PERHAPS EVEN HIS OWN IN FRONT OF THE CHILDREN. HAVE THE COURT DETERMINE WHERE AND UNDER WHOSE SUPERVISION HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE HIS KIDS.  CONSIDERING THE SITUATION, IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD GO TO ANY LENGTHS TO KEEP THEM SAFE, BOTH EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY.  THIS MAN IS PSYCHOTIC!  MANY OF US ARE PRAYING FOR YOU AND THE CHILDREN.

 
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May 13, 2007, 7:42 am PDT

Good Points

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In my opinion, the treatment facility really dropped the ball.  I realize the choices of facilities for Jefferey were probably limited, but, if Dr Phil could have arranged it, Jeffrey would have been better served by a good drug treatment facility where they are trained to keep people away from their drug, in this case Jennifer, and trained to deal with intense manipulation. 

 

I could not believe the facility allowed him access to her, allowed the access to continue even when it was abused, and then had the audacity to expect her to talk him down for them.  Jennifer is the abuse victim not his therapist.  If his problem were physical abuse, would they ask her to let him punch her until his sedative took effect? 

 

As if that wasn't bad enough, I think they crossed the line from incompetence to dangerous negligence when they didn't notify Jennifer that he was on the way home the second time.  To agree not to notify Dr Phil was one thing, although I can't understand why Dr Phil would agree to pay for treatment under those conditions, but for the facility to agree to treat him without clear permission to notify Jennifer if he left should be criminal!  Thank God her local police were on the ball. 

 

And Dr Phil, what were you thinkin'?  Allowing the kids and their babysitter to stay in the home with Jeffrey on the way, and then allowing Jennifer to walk into that situation alone?  We're lucky we didn't hear about this as a murder-suicide on the evening news.  The minute you knew Jeffrey was on the way, the babysitter and kids should have been in a local hotel at the very least.

 

And while we're at it, what's with Jennifer going out with friends while she was at her mother's house and allowing pictures to be taken by people stupid enough to post them on the internet?  Something is just not right with her.  At this point, I think, if she's not having an affair, something else is going on.  Jeffrey is crazy enough on his own and dead wrong to use it as an excuse for abuse, but even I would be driven a little nuts in his situation by being told one thing and perceiving another.  At this point Jeffrey's not safe to be honest with, but I hope she's being honest with herself and with Dr Phil.      

You make some very valid points....I see many inconsistencies in this ENTIRE story...having a family member with a mental illness...I have NEVER seen a treatment facility that allowed the patients to have a telephone in their rooms or have that much access to a phone...

 

Now I am NOT BLAMING HER...but I do find it ODD that she is so SCARED and TERRIFIED but then is out partying the way she is.....

 

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES THAT THERE IS SOMETHING "OFF" AND "ODD" ABOUT THIS ENTIRE SITUATION??????

 
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May 13, 2007, 8:17 am PDT

Lets sum all this up

 

ALL  OF US HAVE FAULTS,  MAKE MISTAKES.

 

Jeffrey needs help, serious, serious help. AND RIGHT NOW, he refuses to take it!!! No fine line there.  No need to rebuttal this post if you saw the segments.  He refuses!!

 

  Suppose he was an alcoholic and needed to go for detox.  He would have to be away for a while and hope that he healed enough to return to his family.  Now before you all start bashing "Creative Care "lets give them the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing, I know all of us are so perfect but just try to pretend for a minute that we are not perfect.

 

You  know even if you go to detox, it is possible to manipulate the system and get alchohol.  If you do they toss you out.  Why, because there are many others that DO want to heal.  Otherwise the rest of the patients will suffer!

 

 

OK lets talk about Jennifer.  How about this from now on.  Lets think hard before we post and try not  to blame her for his problems  Maybe she was not the wife that you want her to be.  Before we lock her up in the basement with access to nothing so she cannot do any wrong that might upset Jeffrey, lets think about our own lives and our own mistakes and how we should react.

 

 

From now on..... "  HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN SEND THE NEXT POST AGAINST JENNIFER"

 

  "The Keyboard is mightier then the sword"

 

 

regards to all....mike

 

 
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May 13, 2007, 8:21 am PDT

jeffery needs help

jeffery needs help big time he is so out of control with his own feeling and stuff it make me wonder if he seen this in his child hood when growing up he has to be brought to term with his problem and made understand its him and not his wife with the problems he has
 
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