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Topic : 05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Created on : Friday, May 04, 2007, 12:13:43 pm
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The incredible drama continues involving Jeffrey, an obsessive husband who won’t let go of his wife, Jennifer. After the last show, Jeffrey is on his way back to the treatment facility, when his anger gets the best of him, and he jumps out of the car and goes on the run. He finally calls his therapist from a taxi cab, but soon after is on the loose again. After four hours and a frenzy of phone calls with Dr. Phil show producers, see what Jeffrey demands. With the stress and pressure getting the best of her, Jennifer sits down with Dr. Phil to discuss their next step. In a hurried panic, Jennifer heads home and is shocked by what she finds when she walks in the front door. She takes her kids and flees to her mother’s house. Even though she’s in a safe place, why does she say she still lives in fear? Then, Jennifer’s attorney files papers and meets Jeffrey in front of a judge. Will Jeffrey be able to comply with the judge's orders? And, Jeffrey resumes talk with the Dr. Phil staff. What is he asking for? Jeffrey’s behavior continues to shock and mystify Jennifer and leaves her with only one choice. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 11, 2007, 4:37 pm PDT

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Well after watching this series and trying to keep up with all the messages on this board, lol.  I would like to address some issues with this series itself and with the way Dr. P has handled things that has left me feeling baffled and bewildered.  As a person who has both helped and worked with battered women, and  I also have a family member with a mental illness (bi polar and Intermittent Explosive Disorder).  Some of the things I have seen, I understand, but some of them, I find really strange and weird.

 

First, It is very clear to me that Jeffery has gone completely over the edge of sanity and reason. 

 

As to this, I don't understand why Dr. P agreed to send him away for professional help for only 2 weeks??????  This man clearly needs both intensive therapy and more than likely several medications.

 

Since most medications for these types of behavior (mood stabilizers, anti psychotics, etc) are usually given (when available) in a time -released formula, I think anyone who has a friend, family member or someone they know or work with that has a mental illness can tell you that 2 weeks is just BARELY enough time for a medication to reach a stable, even level in a person's body and brain to have ANY effect at all.   This is only IF they don't have to modify the dosage amounts and/or make changes to medications, and only IF he has a positive reaction to the medications and has no bad side effects.  I wish I had made a copy of some of the posts I was reading when this series first came out, but I didn't, but I remember reading a post from a person who was commenting on how this show's theme has seemed to change in the last couple years from the formula of trying to help people to seeing how much DRAMA can be stirred up.  Bringing this man back after ONLY 2 weeks to me is stating clearly that this series IMO is about DRAMA ONLYHe was NO were near ready

 

To those who keep asking WHY Dr. P seems to be trying to talk her into keeping her marriage intact and leading him on to believe that things will be worked out, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT HE IS DOING AT ALL.  I have seen this too many times, usually when you have someone that is this MUCH over the edge, you will say or do anything to keep them calm and don't feed into their fears.  I believe Dr. P is telling him what HE WANTS TO HEAR at this point to keep him calm enough to get him the treatment he IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF.   I really think Dr. P is trying to get him calm enough, and get him into treatment so he can accept and deal with the reality of the situation (DIVORCE)!  As we are seeing right now, those on EST on 5/11/07 when he is told the truth of the situation and he is CLEARLY NOT READY TO HANDLE IT and it causes major problems and again DRAMA!!!

 

I have also seen numerous posts addressing her being unfaithful,  To this, I completely understand WHY Dr. P did NOT address this while HE WAS ON THE STAGE WITH HIS WIFE.  People in this condition will grab onto ANYTHING they can to validate their OWN BEHAVIOR, and if this was brought up at the time, thats all we would have heard from him.  BUT, IMO this does NOT give Dr. P the right to NOT address this issue when he was backstage or at another time when he could not hear or was not around.  I think many of us who have watched Dr. P for several years find this HYPOCRITICAL on his part. 

 

This last part, I am sure some of you will disagree with, but I am going to say it anyway.  I started helping with the phone lines and with the battered women's shelter as part of a project with a psy. class 5 years ago when I went back to college to work on my degree.  I have seen many women who have been in very similar situations and that have been scared for their lives and their safety. 

 

These women DO NOT and usually WILL NOT do ANYTHING to aggravate the situation and make it worse. (staying out til 3 in the morning, and I truly believe this happened more than once. The email messages with other men, and having affairs)  I'm sorry, but her tears seem FAKE to me to a certain extent, and there was several times she had a funny looking smirk/smile on her face that told me she was enjoying telling him about it and watching Dr. P grill him.  She has NOT shown the type of behavior of a woman who is terrified and scared for her life. Yes, she has been abused and treated  VERY BADLY by Jeffery, don't misunderstand me, but I think there is MORE to this situation than meets the eye.   EXAMPLE:  when they were on stage during the 1st show and were talking about the SEX situation, they both seemed very on edge and uncomfortable and wiggling in their chairs and they both tried to avoid talking about it.   Now I believe what people do in their BEDROOMS is their OWN business, but I got the feeling that there was more here that we DO NOT know about that MAY or MAY NOT have something to do with some of this. 

 

I am watching her on tv right now 5-11-07 talk about going home when she refused to do what he wanted and here again, I just don't see her looking really worried or upset or scared. 

 

 

 

 

 
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May 11, 2007, 4:37 pm PDT

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This guy is such a FREAK please give that woman 24 hr. protection.  He is a very sick individual and he has no intentions of getting better because in his sick mind there is nothing wrong with what he is doing.  Everytime he is asked about a question, he has some convoluted explaination and somehow manages to blame his wife.  Anyone who believes he is this way because his wife cheated, you are SO mistaken.  That guy creeps me out just looking at him on TV, can you imagine having to live with someone like that?
That's just it...Why did she live so long like that. She's not all there, either. If you can't stand up for yourself, you have to stand up for your children. And why on earth did she stick around to have 3 children with this man. What was she thinking? And don't blame Jeffrey for getting her pregnant. It takes two.
 
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May 11, 2007, 4:38 pm PDT

Why did she have three kids with him???

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She cheated on him.  She messes with his head.  Who the heck goes to Dr. Phil to get help.  He caused more trouble than there was before.  I don't care how sane your are,  if your wife goes on Dr, Phil to divorce you, then Dr. Phil get's one of his buddies to say your dangerous, it is going to mess with your mind.  It seemed to me that she had no plans of working out the marriage no matter what he did.  Why did she have 3 kids with this guy if he was so crazy.  What would Dr. Phil do if his wife was posting bikini pics on myspace, hugging on men who she just met 5 minutes before?
Maybe she had three kids with him because he faked a vasectomy!!!  I mean come on.  Don't you know anything about battered wife syndrome? 
 
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May 11, 2007, 4:39 pm PDT

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I am disabled from domestic violence with about 8 disorders and todays show was memory lane.  Each person is responsible for their actions.  Yet, no one has the right to inflect damage to another which forever changes the quality of their life.  Everyone has the right to live without intimidation tatics which is a felony in most states.  My exhusband was looking at 37 years and that was a light day.  If you have not been there, ease the judgement for you are ignorant on the topic. 

OK, in case you didn't read my original post, I said that he isn't right. I also said that she shouldn't lie to him. That causes problems. I am not saying that you personally are a problem. I don't know you, and I feel for anybody who has been through what you have.

What I am  saying is that if she has the means to leave, and already knew that it was her plan, why lead him on even more? Why answer the phone when he calls? Why play into his game? Why Lie in the first place??

 

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May 11, 2007, 4:39 pm PDT

Really?

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I know what you are going through Jen.  I had one just  like him.  His name is Robert.  And after a few years of going through physical and mental abuse I finally got the courage to turn him in.  It was very hard to do but I did it.  It was the right thing to do.  They offered him 39 years to life until the judge found it in his heart to offer him a domestic violence treatment program for 3 years... NOT some 90 days plan.... it is a hard thing to break.  But, I am happy to tell you that Robert hasn't abused me in 10 years.  However he was court ordered to stay away from me for 4 years but after the four years was up, we started up our relationship again in 2001 and though we live in 2 different states, he comes up and stays with me every couple of months for 3 weeks or so and we really enjoy each others company now.  It took a lot of growing up but what changed him was that program.  I hope that your husband too can find the change in his 'head' and in his 'heart' that is needed for him to become normal and maybe you could atleast be friends with each other one day.  Until then, protect yourself and your kids with all your might.  You go into hiding if you must... that is what I had to do with my children.  You are never safe enough.  Your are in my heart and I wish you all the best.  God bless and be safe.

 

Cheryle

From 39 years to life and then 3 years and then you guys can visit.  Was he a drug addict, I can't believe it is all about growing up.  Must have been very difficult for you.

 

Did you ever want to just move on from him?

 
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May 11, 2007, 4:40 pm PDT

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Do you know any other word besides "manipulate?" Just wondering. People who spend 21 days in treatment, and agree to go back, are not manipulating. They are trying to get better. Jennifer never even gave him a chance. I understand that he has problems, but she is NOT innocent. and she Lied to him to get him on the show.
Here's the deal.

Everyone has a responsibility towards themselves to control their behavior, even if they're not physically, mentally, and emotionally capable of doing so.

Of course, not everyone is physically, mentally, and emotionally capable of exercising that responsibility...but are still held responsible regardless.  It sucks, but that's life.

I'm held responsible for my actions related to symptoms of ADHD, even though I have ADHD.  If I say something on impulse that becomes an "open mouth, insert foot" comment, I'm responsible for that, not my family's, not an ADHD counselor, not my medication.  If I speed 90 MPH on the interstate because I was procrastinating and get pulled over, I'm responsible for that (and yes, that has happened). 

It's nice that I do have my family and an ADHD counselor supporting me, but it's because they choose to, not because they have to.  If they chose not to, then I would have to find another avenue for help.  Why?  'cause I'm hungry enough to learn how to manage the disorder and not let it rule my life!

Jeffrey wasn't hungry enough to control his disorder(s).  All he wanted was to control Jennifer (regardless of anything Jennifer has done that he perceived as means of escalation).

Some people with disorders want help and will do anything to fix it/manage it/accept it.

Some people with disorders don't think they have a problem at all.

Some people with disorders want help, but don't have the impulse control to control their vices and/or want it to magically go away, doing no work whatsoever.

It's not Jennifer's job to aid Jeffrey in his treatment.  She can choose to or choose not to.  She chose not to.
 
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May 11, 2007, 4:41 pm PDT

Did she not decide somrtime in her marriage he was sick?

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This man is nuts! I saw the second part of the show when Doc phil sat down to speak with this nut he started having panic attacks. I believe he would hurt her, and she needs to get away from this man. Doc. Phil ask her to wait to see if he change going to treatment. Well in the process of her waiting I pray he does not hurt her. She said she wish he would just hit her to get it over with. I was like now she has lost it. This nut is so scare that he will do anything. I do not care how much he plea about his love for her. He needs to be in the hospital getting some kind of help. She needs to leave him. I don't believe he would ever trust her. Jennifer RUN! get away from this nut case before something happens. He does not deserve a chance. I'm so sorry you are going threw this
 
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May 11, 2007, 4:42 pm PDT

The guy is a nut.

What would be quite sad is if he harms her or someone  and everyone plays Monday morning quarterback saying "gee, I don't know why they let that happen. All the signs were there." Our justice and medical system don't allow room for the common sense observation to put someone away involuntarily. Look at VT and Cho. There was a kid who WAS committed for a brief period and let go after a day?

This guy will harm someone if not himself.
 
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May 11, 2007, 4:42 pm PDT

mental illness

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To all you Pharisees and other judgers - -

 

My best friend was being verbally (and eventually physically) abused by her boyfriend and even though I worked at an abuse shelter (!), it took me months to really see/admit the signs.  And even after I confronted her with it, she said I was crazy and just reading into things.  Fortunately, in the end, she knew I cared and ran to me the night he broke into her apt and beat her head against the floor, and I knew to go straight to a 24-hour store and get a disposable camera to take pictures of the bruises, go to the police to get an emergency protection-from-abuse order, etc.  Fortunately the guy decided to stop bothering her (partly because she took legal action but also because he just moved on to someone new and naive), although many women are not so lucky.

 

But here is my bigger point: I think the fact that there are at least a few posters here that are more concerned with Jennifer's affairs than Jeffrey's control and abuse is just clear proof that this whole phenomenon is not about an individual man who is "nuts" but about a society (and a world) that is "nuts."  He is not mentally ill.  He knows what he is doing because he was trained to be that way.  Was his father or some other relative abusive?  We don't know.  Not every abuser has an abusive parent.  But still  - 95% of abusers are men.  Why? 

 

Women are devalued, underpaid, and expected to a shitload of work caring for home and family (UN statistics: we do 2/3 of the world's work for 5% of the income. 2/3 of that work is unwaged.  Even though a recent study that was all over the news showed that all the unpaid housework we do is worth $100,000).  You don't think these abusive men know the weak position (economically and physically) we women are in?  Why do you think they always taunt their victims about being worthless, etc?  And justify their abuse with accusations of cheating and other crimes - whether the accusations are real or not, whether they drove the women away or not?  As many others have said on here, her cheating does not excuse the abuse and control - she is not his slave!

 

For my friend, she had her own job, wasn't married to the guy, and had no children and it was still a costly nightmare to get rid of the guy.  If you're poor, have children, or have been cut off from family and friends, then it's even more impossible.  As you can see with the four shows on Jennifer and Jeffrey, it's hardly ever as simple as "Why doesn't she just leave?"  Yet, how many of you would judge women trying to flee the situation if they went on cash assistance?  Does anyone realize how many services and funds for women, including women fleeing jerks like this, have been cut in the past 25 years?  First with Reagan with his "welfare queen" propoganda and serious social service cuts, then Clinton, with welfare "reform", and then Bush spending all of our money on this stupid, illegal war.  Women (and men who supported them)before my time protested and fought for those resources only to see them fade away to a small trickle (that's real "trickle-down" economics).  Am I the only one willing to put this into a bigger context?!

 

Why don't you people first ask:

- Why wasn't she (Jennifer) ABLE to leave?  If Dr. Phil wasn't there giving financial, legal, and other support like security to the airport and couselors that claimed he was dangerous, would she have been able to do it this time?

- Are the police working for her or against her? What laws, etc. need to be changed?" 

- Why doesn't HE just stop?!

But no, we live in a hypocritical society/world that judges women for not leaving yet we don't provide the resources or protection to help EVERY WOMAN do it, even though our work holds up the world.... 

 
 


      I thinkobsession/ compulsive disorder is a mental illness along with paranoiathat  places that individual and others in harms way. I've met a lot of controling women out there in the world...it'snot gender specific... however, it's found more in the male gender butwomen are gaining ground there...it's perplexing why some women want totake on such a negative trait..perhaps, in a lame way, they thinkthey're achieving empowerment...  and nothing could be furtherfrom the truth.  This dominance over women is a base instinct I'mguessing and we haven't evolved much in that department...but we can'tbully ourselves into existance...as I see some try to do.  Sadly,I think it'll take at least another 100 years before we see the declineof trying to dominate one sex or the other...we're still in the infantstage there.  A sorry set of affairs...for womenespecially.  Too bad men can't see how freeing it'd be if they'djust 'stop' it.   I truly see it as intstictive...ie. protecting their mate...and a learned behaviour passed along by their fathers ..but it's lost a lot as time has past...in the translation.  It's become twisted, convoluted and dysfunctional...   Evolution takes a very long time..but it will happen if this planet is still going by that time....not in my lifetime.

     
 
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May 11, 2007, 4:42 pm PDT

Why is she still with him

Why did she make two kids with this WACKO?  It's almost like Jennifer is getting some sort of pay off by not divorcing him a long time ago.  Why does she have a my space page with pictures of her in her bikini what is she 12?

 

Jennifer has known this guy was nuts for a long time and it looks to me that she is backing down.  She needs to divorce him for her kids if not for her. This was the CREEPIEST show Dr. Phil has ever done.  It sort of was making me sick watching it.  What if she kills her, will that be another "don't miss this show" for Dr. Phil.  ICK

 
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