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Topic : 05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Created on : Friday, May 04, 2007, 12:13:43 pm
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The incredible drama continues involving Jeffrey, an obsessive husband who won’t let go of his wife, Jennifer. After the last show, Jeffrey is on his way back to the treatment facility, when his anger gets the best of him, and he jumps out of the car and goes on the run. He finally calls his therapist from a taxi cab, but soon after is on the loose again. After four hours and a frenzy of phone calls with Dr. Phil show producers, see what Jeffrey demands. With the stress and pressure getting the best of her, Jennifer sits down with Dr. Phil to discuss their next step. In a hurried panic, Jennifer heads home and is shocked by what she finds when she walks in the front door. She takes her kids and flees to her mother’s house. Even though she’s in a safe place, why does she say she still lives in fear? Then, Jennifer’s attorney files papers and meets Jeffrey in front of a judge. Will Jeffrey be able to comply with the judge's orders? And, Jeffrey resumes talk with the Dr. Phil staff. What is he asking for? Jeffrey’s behavior continues to shock and mystify Jennifer and leaves her with only one choice. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 7, 2007, 8:10 am PDT

a bomb waiting to explode

Jeffery is crazy! He is someone that can lose control and kill Jennifer, her 3 kids (yes HERS.. dontating doesn't make him their daddy.. ) "he said "having children saved our marriage in the past". So he USED her children as a means to keep her!!  I am truly afraid for her and her children. Ive read several messages wondering if  she was being protected and I do think that Dr. Phil made sure she had security of some sort and that her and the children were protected and kept safe. Dr. Phil did see that he was crazy as did the rest of the world and I am sure he realized that she is in danger! I hope she moves far away and that her address is kept from him and has the proper protective orders in place. I doubt if just protective orders will keep her safe, im sure he will viloate them... which eventually will lead to him being put in jail.. WHERE HE BELONGS! ! RUN GIRL, TAKE YOUR KIDS AND RUN!!!!!!!!................. DR PHIL, PLEASE MAKE SURE SHE AND HER CHILDREN ARE SAFE AND PROTECTED!

 
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May 7, 2007, 8:38 am PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

 

This show sent quite the 'reminder' jolt down my spine.  

 

I was lucky enough to get out of a potentially similiar situation many years ago.

I dont talk about it too much anymore but this brought it back in eerie similiarity.

 

 

The individual who did this to me was a friend at first.  I did not want to have an intimate relationship with him, but he did with me.  We were first friends then roommates. (what I was thinking I dont know) 

 

When we became roomates I made it PERFECTLY clear that there was to be NO romantic involvement! NONE.  There was NO QUESTION what so ever.  He claimed he understood. Yeah Right!

 

Some of the things I remember were me not being able to leave the house unless with him.  (He always said i could but it would be a HUGE battle and mind game if I tried too)  I had to use HIS car when I did go...he called me on the cell to check on me..I had to hide in the bathroom to make my phone calls and even then he listend at the door....I would talk to male friends on the phone and he once dumped ice cubes down my shirt saying something to the effect of "HERE, THIS SHOULD COOL YOU OFF"....I had a male that I was dating come over once and we had to lock ourself in my room as i believe he was listining at the door.....then he went out and bought me flowers right in front of the man I had over just to be rude to that man.

 

I had everything I needed materially from this roomate of mine...so I am sure he thought he was 'taking care of me' like a man should.  But I kept reminding him he doesnt need to take care of me..we were ROOMATES and nothing more.  He kept saying he understood but it never stopped.  He was constantly needing to know what I was doing and the worst part was he was so SNEAKY about it.   Trying to be slick about it all.  Thats really the scarrey part.

 

Thankfully I got out of that situation and havent heard from him in years and years now.  But I never forgot that.   I dont ever want to hear from him again.  I dont wish him ill but I certainly want NOTHING to do with him.

 

I pray that Jennifer and her kids get out of this situation.  There is NO reconciling this.  Trust me and all the others that have gone thru similiar situations.  There will never again be any trust.  No matter how much conseling he gets.  And to top it off she has her kids to think of.  So there is no question.  Get out and get out now.  Your life and that of your kids depend on it.

 

 

 
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May 7, 2007, 9:25 am PDT

RECOGNIZING THE REMORSELESS - WITHOUT CONSCIENCE

If you are with in a relationship with someone, you expect the relationship to grow and deepen over time; you expect a heart connection to be made and maintained.  You operate your life based on this expectation.  When your partner in the relationship does not or cannot make an emotional connection, the relationship becomes very painful.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are:

 

 

Aggression in Personality Disorders and Perversions by Otto Kernberg OR Treating Personality Disorders in Children and Adolescents:  A Relational Approach by Efrain Bleiberg OR Without Conscience:  The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us by Robert Hare

 

Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward AND Why is it Always About You?  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss

 

Healthy Boundaries Workbook: Using Dialectical Behavior Therapy Skills to Set and Maintain Better Boundaries by Deborah Deiboldt Legge AND Healing Anxiety and Depression (7 types of anxiety and depression) by Daniel Amen and Lisa Routh

 

Getting Help:  The Complete and Authoritative Guide to Self-Assessment and Treatment of Mental Health Problems by Jeffrey Wood

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm

 

 

There are relationships, marriages, and relationships that are so destructive the only option is for a person to get out.  Get out with the little bit of sanity you may have remaining.  As painful as it make by, make a promise to yourself to leave.  Leave so you can begin a life of healing and recovery.  Leave so you can learn to live a joyful, peaceful and fulfilling life.

 

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

 
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May 7, 2007, 9:47 am PDT

Bingo!

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Dont blame Jennifer, its not her fault, AT ALL!  I have read some posts where members are mentioning her affairs (all those years ago) as if it has anything to do with it.  Of coarse having an affair is wrong, but it is obvious that this man has and already had mental problems that have nothing to do with her having an affair.  I know of couples where one spouse has had an affair, and they stayed together and worked it out, but none of them acted like this man is, not what so ever.  The only way I believe her affairs could have been related at all is that she had them because of feeling trapped with how controling Jeffrey was right from the start.  Im guessing she made those mistakes because she was seeking love, because she wasnt truely loved at home, but instead treated like a posession.  Bringing up her affairs as if this is her fault is just plain abusive.  Would you blame a child that was being spanked or screamed at everyday because he was a bad boy seven years ago?  I mean seriously people, that is what its like when you try to blame Jen for any of this.  The guy is just plain mentally ill.  And she didnt cause it!   I think part of the problem why Jen put up with it is because she felt guilty and she tried hard (way to hard) to fix him, and now she has some people here trying to back that up by pointing a finger at her.  To anyone that does, maybe you should seek some counceling of your own, because that way of thinking is just plain disturbing!   

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. As a matter of fact, look at the transcripts here to prove it:

 

"My husband, Jeffrey, has been obsessed with me since the day we met," says Jennifer, who has been married for 11 years.

 

"When I met Jennifer, it was love at first sight," says Jeffrey, who was 30 when he met 19-year-old Jennifer.

 

Jennifer and Jeffrey dated less than two months before they got engaged. "I thought I was in love. I thought that it was the right thing to do, because I was already pregnant," Jennifer shares. "My wedding day was a little sad. There wasn’t one person I knew there."

 

"Once Jennifer and I were married, I started to question her," Jeffrey admits. I took a tape recorder and put it on the phone. As soon as she’d leave the house, I’d listen to the last conversation she had. I even put a tape recorder under her car seat. After our second year of marriage, I found out that Jennifer had cheated on me. I went crazy."

 

Now, tell me if that's normal. They dated less than 2 months before they got engaged! They didn't know each other very well (at least she didn't) at all. He was like that in the very beginning when they got married (even before), & all of the people are pointing fingers at her to make it seem like it's all her fault. They are just either too blind to see that or are in total denial.

 
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May 7, 2007, 11:54 am PDT

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If you are with in a relationship with someone, you expect the relationship to grow and deepen over time; you expect a heart connection to be made and maintained.  You operate your life based on this expectation.  When your partner in the relationship does not or cannot make an emotional connection, the relationship becomes very painful.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are:

 

 

Aggression in Personality Disorders and Perversions by Otto Kernberg OR Treating Personality Disorders in Children and Adolescents:  A Relational Approach by Efrain Bleiberg OR Without Conscience:  The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us by Robert Hare

 

Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward AND Why is it Always About You?  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss

 

Healthy Boundaries Workbook: Using Dialectical Behavior Therapy Skills to Set and Maintain Better Boundaries by Deborah Deiboldt Legge AND Healing Anxiety and Depression (7 types of anxiety and depression) by Daniel Amen and Lisa Routh

 

Getting Help:  The Complete and Authoritative Guide to Self-Assessment and Treatment of Mental Health Problems by Jeffrey Wood

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm

 

 

There are relationships, marriages, and relationships that are so destructive the only option is for a person to get out.  Get out with the little bit of sanity you may have remaining.  As painful as it make by, make a promise to yourself to leave.  Leave so you can begin a life of healing and recovery.  Leave so you can learn to live a joyful, peaceful and fulfilling life.

 

 

Hope it helps!

 

 

Do you ever have your own opinion on a subject, or do you just do a search on the topics for books/articles that you believe are relevant?
 
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May 7, 2007, 12:01 pm PDT

Pray for Jennifer's Safety

 Even if a judge grants a restraining order, it has been my observation that such orders are only effective with people who are mentally stable and who are honest enough to know when they are no longer wanted around.  I pray that Jennifer gets to a safe place with her children knowing that she is worth the effort to save herself.  Past mistakes on Jennifer's part do not condone such behavior on Jeffrey's part.  My prayer will be for Jennifer and her children's safety with the opportunity to pursue therapy for enlightenment to her self-worth and peace of mind.

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May 7, 2007, 12:33 pm PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Dont blame Jennifer, its not her fault, AT ALL!  I have read some posts where members are mentioning her affairs (all those years ago) as if it has anything to do with it.  Of coarse having an affair is wrong, but it is obvious that this man has and already had mental problems that have nothing to do with her having an affair.  I know of couples where one spouse has had an affair, and they stayed together and worked it out, but none of them acted like this man is, not what so ever.  The only way I believe her affairs could have been related at all is that she had them because of feeling trapped with how controling Jeffrey was right from the start.  Im guessing she made those mistakes because she was seeking love, because she wasnt truely loved at home, but instead treated like a posession.  Bringing up her affairs as if this is her fault is just plain abusive.  Would you blame a child that was being spanked or screamed at everyday because he was a bad boy seven years ago?  I mean seriously people, that is what its like when you try to blame Jen for any of this.  The guy is just plain mentally ill.  And she didnt cause it!   I think part of the problem why Jen put up with it is because she felt guilty and she tried hard (way to hard) to fix him, and now she has some people here trying to back that up by pointing a finger at her.  To anyone that does, maybe you should seek some counceling of your own, because that way of thinking is just plain disturbing!   

this man will end up hurting her i just can feel it
 

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May 7, 2007, 7:44 pm PDT

I don't think that you get it

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I knew after watching the 1st. 2 shows that he was feeding Dr. Phil a huge load of BS.  He had no intention of changing and he knew it.  The whole "doubled over the garbage can in fetal position" didn't convince me one bit.  Infact I laughed while watching him writhing in pain, or so he wanted us to think.  What was up with that anyway?  I guess I'd hoped he would be MAN ENOUGH consider her feelings and take this seriously but I knew he was incapable of thinking about anything other than his SICK and TWISTED obsession.  This guy is definitely breathing up good air.  Sometimes I wonder why God lets these kind of people live. 

 

For Jeffery to leave her alone completely, she is going to have to hire a body guard and/or keep her house surrounded with cops day and night.  No restraining order is going to stop him, I'm sure of that.  Whoever said that about the Wife Protection Program is brilliant!  There certainly needs to be one. 

Jeffrey is probably suffering with a Borderline Personality Disorder. The curling up in a ball and throwing up weren't an act. He was in an absolute panic! Imagine an infant losing what he thinks is the only person on earth who cares for and about him...that is where Jeffrey is with his relationship. He is desperately clinging to his wife in the sick delusion that without her, he will die. He is a very, very sick man and should be placed in a psychiatric hospital for as long as it takes for him to stablize. His wife should get far far away.
 
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May 8, 2007, 9:15 am PDT

The cops need to do thier job

 If someone that crazy can still get to you it's because the police tell you to wait put a restraning order on him. Then he comes and kills you then the police say that we should have done more, but it's to late. DO THOMETHING NOW ! Don't wait until it's to late!
 
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May 8, 2007, 9:32 am PDT

Danger- Danger

A restraining order is definitely a place to start for this poor woman, but I agree that it will not stop him.  Everyday you hear in the news about spouse's or partners killing the other before taking their own life.  That is what will happen here unless this guy is committed or in jail.  Why wouldn't he kill her if he can't be with her?  He is consumed with her and if he can't have her, no one else can.  Where are their families?  Where are his/ her parents?  The judge needs to issue an emergency order to have him committed for a 72 hour evaluation period, and she needs security if he gets out.  Luckily she has the transcripts and footage from the Dr. Phil show to help her in court.  This man is going to kill someone.... it will either be his wife because he can't have her, or his children to hurt her.  He could take the easy way out and just kill himself , but he's too weak to do that, and it wouldn't hurt Jennifer enough.  Resoltion is not an answer anymore for this marriage, dissolution is.  I would be petrified to turn my back or close my eyes with him in the house if I were her.  Hopefully she will get the protection she needs from him.   
 
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