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Topic : 05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Created on : Friday, May 04, 2007, 12:13:43 pm
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The incredible drama continues involving Jeffrey, an obsessive husband who won’t let go of his wife, Jennifer. After the last show, Jeffrey is on his way back to the treatment facility, when his anger gets the best of him, and he jumps out of the car and goes on the run. He finally calls his therapist from a taxi cab, but soon after is on the loose again. After four hours and a frenzy of phone calls with Dr. Phil show producers, see what Jeffrey demands. With the stress and pressure getting the best of her, Jennifer sits down with Dr. Phil to discuss their next step. In a hurried panic, Jennifer heads home and is shocked by what she finds when she walks in the front door. She takes her kids and flees to her mother’s house. Even though she’s in a safe place, why does she say she still lives in fear? Then, Jennifer’s attorney files papers and meets Jeffrey in front of a judge. Will Jeffrey be able to comply with the judge's orders? And, Jeffrey resumes talk with the Dr. Phil staff. What is he asking for? Jeffrey’s behavior continues to shock and mystify Jennifer and leaves her with only one choice. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 11, 2007, 3:39 pm PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

 I have never really posted a message an internet discussion board before. This show however left me feeling rather strongly about Jennifer and the "support" (lack there of)  she had recieved from The Doctor Phil Show. When Dr. Phil stated that He and Jennifer were now partners in this and he would help her there was some help but not as helpful as he could have been . Now if I were afraid that my Husband was dangerous and there was any way possible that He could  arrive at my house before I did and my kids were still at home, I would take all necessary steps to have made sure that my kids were long gone from the moment that Jeffery escaped. Since the Dr. Phil Show knew that he would probably attempt to go back to the house  I would have provided security at the  house from the minute that he escaped from the studio.   As a partner to Jennifer I would have also provided security to jennifer and instead of going to her mothers I would not have put her and her kids in danger. I would have provided her residence somewhere where her husband did not know of or could trace her. Yes Dr. Phil did marvoulous in providing her a lawyer and some gas and some groceries but the security danger and stress level could have been better delt with.!!! I think if the Dr. Phil show was going to help. They could have done a much better job.
 
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May 11, 2007, 3:41 pm PDT

this guy....

belongs in a hole so far back that they would have to pipe light in to him.  Give me 5 minutes with this creep and I know what I would do....ashes to ashes dust to dust.  In Canada we usually take spousal abuse very seriously.  Having been through this type of situation myself. It took one phone call to 911 and once the police hit the door the situation is taken from you and they are in control because THEY CHARGE HIM AND YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART AND DROP THE CHARGES..  MY EX WAS TAKEN IMMEDIATELY TO JAIL, A RESTRAINING ORDER PUT ON HIM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, AND HE WAS CONVICTED OFASSAULT,  ONE FOR THE GOOD GUYS!!.  SWEETIE, IN TIME YOU WILL SEE THAT THIS WILL MAKE YOU STRONGER THAN YOU EVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE.  It was not necessary for your life to take this turn before something was done but you will be a better mother, human being, and if it's what you want.a better wife.  I'll bet the love of your life is waiting right around the corner for you. Mine was.    Remember God always has us right where we are suooosed to be and things always happen for a reason, trust me I've been to hell and back and am actually grateful that all the sh,,,y things keep happening, Noone lives this life totally unscathed.  If it's meant to be then it wll be, Give your soul to God and ALL things are possible.  If it happened to me it can happen to you too.  HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!!!!!!  You are FREE!!! CELEBRATE!!!!   
 
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May 11, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

Disturbing Trend

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 Me too. I am terrified of any person accepting this behavior. This man is a threat to society, he makes me ill!!!
I'm finding it really disturbing how many people on these boards are identifying and sympathizing with Jeffrey and blaming Jennifer for all of this. Makes you realize how many people there are out there who are accepting of abhorrent behavior, possibly able to envision themselves commiting such acts in similar circumstances, and readily blaming others for their actions. We are all only responsible for ourselves. There is no justification, ever, for doing this. Yes, Jennifer may not be a sterling wife. She must own up to her faults. He didn't make her do anything wrong. If she cheated, it's on her. And he must own up to his actions as well. She didn't make him do anything. He did. Period. His actions came from his own will, as hers did. If your wife has an affair, flirts with people, pushes your buttons, you divorce her. You don't threaten her, stalk her, lock her up, film her, fake vasectomies to try to trick her into getting pregnant, rifle through her desk at work, put tracking devices in her car, etc. These are not the actions of a rational person. The fact that so many people on these boards seem to identify with Jeffrey makes me worry for a lot of women (and maybe some men too) out there who may be in relationships with these people.

People are not property. When you are in a relationship, you do not own them. If you are in a relationship with someone whose actions you find suspect, it does not give you the right to stalk or track them like a hunted animal. It does not give you the right to decide that no one else can have them if you can't. It does give you the right to decide that their behavior is inappropriate and you can decide to either accept it or not. If not, then you can leave. That's all.

If Jennifer posts pictures of herself on the net in a bikini, if she hangs on another man she just met, that's her prerogative. It's her business. Jeffery, as her husband, has the right to ask her to stop. If she declines he can tell her that he can no longer be in a relationship with her.  He has the right to file for divorce. He has no right to force her to stop. He does not have the right to control her in any way. Period. His need to do so is not a result of her actions, it's a sign of his own insecurity and weakness. Overcontrol is a sign of weakness.

Jeffrey sought help from Dr. Phil. We only saw the highlights. This man sought Dr. Phil's help to control his wife even further, and on national TV no less. Let's stop demanding that Jennifer take responsibility for her actions. She's paid dearly for her mistakes. It's time for Jeffrey to take some responsibility for his actions, because he hasn't done so yet. He made a few gestures of conciliation, but they were merely to get what he wanted. He's so antisocial and delusional that he thinks he can fool even the smartest of professionals, so he'll tell them what he thinks they want to hear. He's taken no real responsibility for any of this. I think he's actually incapable of insight, and that makes him extremely dangerous. Give Jennifer a break. She married a psychopath, and his own pathology is responsible for this, not anything she did. She's a victim if ever there was one.

 
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May 11, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

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Not that what he is doing is right. it's not, but she shouldn't of cheated on him in the first place. when she made the decision to sleep with someone else she should of left than. sounds like the foolishness didn't start til she had the affairs. she also needs to get real. it takes two to make it or break it.

Very true, but he is totally whacked.

 

People cheat all the time, divorces get nasty etc.  But Jeffrey seriously creeped me out.

 
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May 11, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

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Not that what he is doing is right. it's not, but she shouldn't of cheated on him in the first place. when she made the decision to sleep with someone else she should of left than. sounds like the foolishness didn't start til she had the affairs. she also needs to get real. it takes two to make it or break it.
Jen may of cheeted back when, but know one deserves to be treated like Jeffery has treated her, it's not healthy and she'll need alot of help to rebuild her life and her childrens lives. being abused is a very tuff life to live. Good luck Jennifer I'm so Happy for you that you had the strangth to take this step to better your life and your childrens, Stay strong and postive, best wishes to you and your children.
 
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May 11, 2007, 3:42 pm PDT

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I totally agree with everyone's comments but I'm not sure I understand why Jennifer is "posing" in photos with other men while all of this is going on in her life. She is just adding fuel to the fire which will make her husband more furious and obsessive. If she didn't have children to protect I wouldn't have thought much about it but she is endangering her kids by acting this way.
 I totally agree with what this person just said.  I was baffled by Jennifer allowing pictures of herself and other men to be posted on the internet.  Also, why in the world was she continuing to answer his calls???  That being said, I am completely on Jennifer's side.  I do feel that her husband truely did have the potential to become violent towards her and the kids.  I am thankful for the businesses that stepped up and donated gift cards to her so that she could get on her feet.  In all honesty, I wish there were some way that I (or anyone else for that matter) could help her.
 I also wanted to comment on a post someone put on here about Jennifer's husband only starting to act this way after she cheated on him. The comment made me believe that this whole situation was somehow her fault.  WHAT???  This is in NO WAY her fault.  She didn't make him act the way he did.  He chose those actions.  He could have decided to do anything under the sky, but he chose to do and be what he is. 
 
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May 11, 2007, 3:44 pm PDT

PRotection should be provided by the Dr. Phil Show

I watched this show in horror because the outcome is predicatable. If this man gets out, he isn't leaving her alone, he will hurt her without a shadow of doubt. He is not obbsessed with her, he is obsessed with his desire to control and dominate. It has to be his way. I hope the Dr. Phil show will take measure to provide the family with full time protection if he does get out

 

 
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May 11, 2007, 3:45 pm PDT

Over the deep end

Jeffrey was nuts for taking the path he chose.  I'd consider his behavior more self destructive than repentant.  He knew what his wife was up to and knew that this was a lost cause.  But his mind isn't right and his fears, knowing they were true, led him to the wild behavior of spy-works and desperation.

 

Some of the things he did are no different than a private investigator.  But some of the things he did, such as wanting to write a bad check, were flat out stupid.  When a man (or woman) wants to harm himself for the love of a cold man or woman, he's wasting his or her time and money.  His cause was already lost when she cheated on him.  He just made her winnings even more.  Wow!  50% percent of his business?  Must be nice to sleep with other men and get paid for it.  A man cheats, they say, "Take every thing he's got!"  But if a woman cheats, she still gets everything he's got!

 

Jeffrey, I don't know if you'll ever read this but I hope you've learned your lesson.  I won't bother to point out the mistakes you made, as I'm sure you are quite aware of them.  No one is perfect and we all make mistakes.  Give it some time and your wounds will heal.  Only this time, don’t be in such a rush to marry the first girl you find attractive.  But then after paying her bills, you may not be able to afford another woman.

 

Jennifer, my best wishes to you and your children.  I know you are right in fearing Jeffrey's behavior, and your divorce is the right thing.  Dr. Phil was wise in telling you not to show emotional stress or tears because that’s what Jeffrey did on the show and he was chastised for it; you'd be considered just a crazy as he is.  Remember what Dr. Phil did to Jeffrey when he cried?  He didn't want anyone to start pointing fingers at him.  Remember the pain you felt when you were away from home and cried because you wanted to go home?  That's what Jeffrey wanted.....he just wanted to go home.  And several months in a crazy house is not home, and trust me, it doesn’t work and will be in your record for a long time.  They basically teach you how to cope with stress and endure the hardships you're going to face.  Basically they teach you how to accept getting screwed.

 

One last thing Jeffrey.  You beat yourself...just remember that.  You wasted too much emotion and time trying to save what was already lost.  Remember from it...be careful in your next relationship.  And study your lovers before you choose to marry them.  Don't worry about Jennifer or what she's doing because you already know what she's doing; you can’t do anything about it.  You just need to accept it, but believe me, there is light at the end of the tunnel.  Mother always told me, “What comes around, goes around!” and hopefully Jennifer doesn’t meet a man (or men) that did what she did.  If so, she’ll find out the pain involved.  My best wishes to you both.

 

Now to the rest.  Speaking from experience here, a person who's fearful of their spouse killing them are very testy when it comes to meeting another person.  Two of my friends (female) about 10 years ago suffered abuse from their husbands.....physical abuse.  After they got a divorce, they refused to date men for quite some time.  Jennifer was out partying as if nothing ever happened.  She did not portray a woman who was badly abused.  She portrayed a woman who just wanted off the roller coaster and was desperate to get it.  She ignored him emotionally and created the right circumstances for his emotional outburst.  I’m not saying it was her fault he acted that way, as he was probably like that from the beginning.  But I am saying it’s still wrong to tune someone out for years, not sharing affection as expected from a husband and wife.  If Jeffrey was crazy from the beginning, she should have left him.  If Jeffrey caught her cheating the first time, he should have left her.  But the damage is done and Jeffrey is totally screwed in this deal.  My concerns are for the kids.  She'll meat someone and they'll have to put up with a step-father they'll probably never respect.  Or have to endure years of many men in their house, and believe me…that sucks!  My mother did that when she was younger, and my brother and I didn’t like it.  My father was killed in Vietnam, and my step-father was killed likewise.  It’s lonely growing up without a father.  Therefore, I hope the children can find peace and happiness and most importantly, not forget about their father.  I’m certain some of these single gals on here who call men “donors” would love to see nothing more than for a father to lose contact with his kids.  Don’t forget your father, and don’t hate your mother, dear children.

 

 

 
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May 11, 2007, 3:45 pm PDT

How did it get this far?

There is something about Jennifer that is just, off. I believe she should have and could have helped herself long before she had three children. Come on! For someone who says she has no resources, she wears the latest fashions and drives a very nice SUV. I was in a bad marriage, perhaps it was even worse, my ex-husband followed me and made sexual remarks about our young baby. I had no money and no where to go and my baby was 5 weeks old. I managed to get away and start over. My loser of a husband took off and never looked back. I do believe Jennifer was leading this Pysho on, for a very long time. I think Jeffery is sick, sick, sick and I do hope she gets away from him. However, I think there is something weird and creepy about her, too. Who on earth would allow their children to live like that, for that long? What's up with that? She needs to take a long look at herself. Shame on her. Plus, she needs to stop crying about it and do the hard work of starting over, try getting a job.
 
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May 11, 2007, 3:45 pm PDT

This man scares me

This guy is such a FREAK please give that woman 24 hr. protection.  He is a very sick individual and he has no intentions of getting better because in his sick mind there is nothing wrong with what he is doing.  Everytime he is asked about a question, he has some convoluted explaination and somehow manages to blame his wife.  Anyone who believes he is this way because his wife cheated, you are SO mistaken.  That guy creeps me out just looking at him on TV, can you imagine having to live with someone like that?
 
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