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Topic : 05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Created on : Friday, May 04, 2007, 12:13:43 pm
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The incredible drama continues involving Jeffrey, an obsessive husband who won’t let go of his wife, Jennifer. After the last show, Jeffrey is on his way back to the treatment facility, when his anger gets the best of him, and he jumps out of the car and goes on the run. He finally calls his therapist from a taxi cab, but soon after is on the loose again. After four hours and a frenzy of phone calls with Dr. Phil show producers, see what Jeffrey demands. With the stress and pressure getting the best of her, Jennifer sits down with Dr. Phil to discuss their next step. In a hurried panic, Jennifer heads home and is shocked by what she finds when she walks in the front door. She takes her kids and flees to her mother’s house. Even though she’s in a safe place, why does she say she still lives in fear? Then, Jennifer’s attorney files papers and meets Jeffrey in front of a judge. Will Jeffrey be able to comply with the judge's orders? And, Jeffrey resumes talk with the Dr. Phil staff. What is he asking for? Jeffrey’s behavior continues to shock and mystify Jennifer and leaves her with only one choice. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 12, 2007, 12:49 am PDT

We need to change the laws

Why don't we change the law so police don't have to wait till someone is hurt or dead before they can help someone who is being stalked.  Anyone in their right mind can see that this man is going to hurt or kill his wife if he can't control her.  I could not believe that Creative Care couldn't inform Jennifer when he left the last time because Jeffery revoked permission for them to talk about his condition.  They told Jennifer that he was dangerous but they can't warn her if he is headed for her and her children.  What kind of human beings have we become when we protect the abuser instead of the victim.  Jennifer won't need any protection after she is dead.  We see it on the evening news every night and we don't do anything to change it.  What is wrong with us?
 
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May 12, 2007, 2:01 am PDT

obsessive love

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I'm sorry but I do not agree.  I don't think either of them are serious about changing.  I feel that Jennifer is like a fence post.  Everytime Jeffrey said or did something wrong to her, it was like hammering a nail into the fencepost.  He may have apologized, but all that did was remove the nail and leave a hole.  She's an empty shell of a woman.  She needs to get away and rediscover who she is.

 

Jeffrey is an addict.  Addicted to his wife's whereabouts and goings-on.  He won't change any time soon because he's not open and willing.  You can clearly see it in his eyes.

are you crazy???  i'm sorry- that wasn't nice.....let me try again.  Are You Crazy????   Jeffrey, i agree is an addict, more so a complete and  utter  borderline personality .  he will  end up hurting himself or others.  His wife needs to find shelter and not give him a chance- except long enough to  get herself  and the kids away from him.  i would like to just watch him for awhile and see what he does, or worse who he does. 
 
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May 12, 2007, 2:08 am PDT

NEVER EVER A REASON FOR ANY AFFAIR

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I agree with most of what has been said on the message boards. However, don't be so quick to  blame her for having an affair, he drove her to it.  If your accused of it long enough.... 

 

 This message is mainly for Dr. Phil.  Please Dr. Phil, keep up posted on this family.  I am really concerned about this woman and her three small children.  I live in the next state over and would be happy to help her (watch her kids, let her spend a few days with me)  I am divorced mother of three grown children and 4 grandchildren.  I am on the up and up.  Nothing has ever affected me as much as this family has.

I am really worried about this womans life.  Its clear that he is a very calculating man.  Who knows, he could be using Dr. Phil as a scapegoat.  Its on tape that he is crazy so if he harms his family he has his insanity plea all worked out. 

 

So even if its just a blurb at the end of a program, keep us posted.   I for one would really appreciate it.

 

I am a very faithful watcher Dr. Phil...In fact I plan my entire day around your show!

Jeffery is sick and scary; however, I take exception to your statement regarding her affair; NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY "drives" anyone to an affair! It's that kind of thinking that has allowed so many to justify adultry. Adultry is ALWAYS wrong (immoral, selfish, immature, cruel, dishonest, etc). In this poor woman's case, it added fuel to the fire and made things worse in his already warped mind. Yes, may she get out forever and may he get much help (especially for the sake of those children), but PLEASE never think that someone "drives" a person to have an affair. You are taking the responsiblity away from the person who CHOOSES to emotionally leave what is supposed to be a committed relationship.
 
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May 12, 2007, 2:18 am PDT

SICK SICK MAN....WOMAN STUCK AT AGE 19

What scary shows. What a sick, dangerous, man!

 

With that said, I do believe Jennifer is STUCK AT AGE 19. Some of her behaviors (adultry years ago, MySpace account when she knows he's a hacker, etc) show that she does not think clearly. Much of that can probably be attributed to living with her controlling husband. And personally, I don't think she ever had a chance to grow up...marriage young, baby fast, controlling husband, etc... This has caused her to make some lousy choices that flame the fire of her crazy husband.

 

These people are DANGEROUS as a couple. She and those precious children could end up dead. The house is not worth it, but the woman probably has NOTHING....nothing in her name, no real friends, scared family members, etc. I just hope Dr. Phil and the courts can get her and the kids away from him w/o him knowing where she lives....until he gets well (providing he EVER gets well, which is doubtful). The man is so ill !!! I truly fear for Jennifer and the children!!

 
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May 12, 2007, 2:24 am PDT

Over The Top

This man's behavior is unbeleiveable,it seems that being in custody of the authorities is right where he belongs.Hopefully the next step is to revoke this man's parental rights as he is a danger to his family and himself.Hopefully Jennifer can relocate far away from this man and start a new life.How she put up with this for so long is questionable but she obviously reached her breaking point.She certainly deserves better.

 
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May 12, 2007, 2:25 am PDT

Scary people

Jeffrey is more than a sicko. In my opinion, he IS dangerous.

 

As for Jennifer, one has to wonder why she never took measures to protect herself and the kids---phone number changes, postings on the internet, etc. Perhaps she likes her husband's obsessiveness?  But, I'm also sure part of the reason she's put up with him is financial..............

 

Someone must help this woman protect herself and her kids----or she'll be the next brutal headline!

 
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May 12, 2007, 3:23 am PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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I've watched all the episodes about this, and there's no excuse or reason to put up with that, but I hope Dr Phil advises Jennifer to PLEASE not date, or get involved with ANY man for at LEAST 1 year. Maybe no time table should be on this, but she needs to figure out who she is without a man, she's not ready to be with anyone now. Either she'll pick someone else who will be abusive because her self esteem isn't right yet, or she may find a good man who will be driven away because he has to hear about Jeffrey or deal with Jeffery. When I saw she got a message from a man while Jeffery was in treatment, I knew it wasn't right, then the pics while at her moms, of her and a man she met 5 minutes before the picture was taken, then she was really comfortable to lay her head on a mans shoulder she just met, arms around a man she just met. I'm really afraid for Jennifer, her kids, that they DESERVE some stability, her kids deserve her focus, not a new man. Dr Phil needs to get her in therapy and tell her she has to stay away from men until her life has calmed down, until she values herself for at  least 6,8 months, grieve for this loss, and stand on her  own, give all her time to herself and kids. I have a bad feeling she won't, and I know she deserves a life after this, but not now, no going out except maybe a movie with the girls, lunch, no nightclubs, no my space chatting, I hope Dr Phil will admittedly tell her, or she reads this.

You are correct but Jennifer cant be without a man for a year.  She is too involved in the myspace chatting, emailing and partying lifestyle.   This seems to be a major factor in the destruction of their marriage and a real cause of Jeffreys anxieties but is not being addressed at all or being taken seriously.  

 

Jennifer may pick a guy who has his own myspace chats and emails with many cute young girls.  When Jennifer finds strange womans phone numbers, then maybe she will realize what Jeffrey is going through.  

 

She may have gotten away with all that deceptive behavior with Jeffrey, but not all guys will put up with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 
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May 12, 2007, 4:00 am PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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You're so right!    I noticed that the husband wouldn't/couldn't look directly at Dr. Phil.    He really is a little mentally over the top.

 

Good luck Jennifer and kids!    Yes, you can do it....with or without him.  

He reminds me of my ex-husband who was a paranoid schizophrenic with a jekyl and hyde personality disorder that had gone untreated for so long that he was incapacitated by his own mental deficiencies.  Unfortunately for my ex-husband, several years after I divorced him, he hung himself.  Perhaps this man will actually commit to getting the treatment he needs to overcome the sickness that is seemingly driving him and overcome it once and for all.  To really understand a person who has reached this point of extreme behaviour one really needs to delve into the person's childhood to understand why and how the sickness was allowed to attach itself to the individual and corrupt their way of living with others.  This is something that Creative Care would need to do and I truely hope this man will realize that he needs their help and entrust himself to long term care until he can learn to overcome this bad form of behaviour. 
 
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May 12, 2007, 4:14 am PDT

Abuse issues

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 They have witnessed their fathr terrorize their mother.  If they have witnessed that then he has also terrorized the children. 

Forget the myspace page.  It is nothing. 

Non-physical abuse is the same as Verbal Abuse and when someone lives around an abusive individual then they suffer from the affects of Verbal Abuse which can be manifested in their own lives down the road.  It may not rear it's ugly head when they are young, but when they are out of the home where the abuse occurred, living their own lives, it will show up as they interact with other people, peers, co-workers, and especially individuals who have authority over them.  I strongly encourage the wife and children to seek good counseling now; in order, to teach and create a better, more satisfying life in their future.

 

As for the wife - Jennifer? It is best as a person who has exited an abusive lifestyle to heal first internally preferably before involving herself in a relationship with another man.  Some excellent reading I would suggest are "Boundaries: How to Say No, How to Say Yes" by John Townsend & Henry Cloud and "The Verbal Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans.  They are both very enlightening books and very much helpful I have found in stages of my own recovery.  If Jennifer were to jump into another relationship prior to healing, she will unfortunately find she attracts the same sort of controlling, abusive junky whom Dr. Phil has been helping her to get away from.  She needs to understand herself first as a person, make friends with herself, understand why she involved herself with her husband in the first place, and then move on.  Goodluck Jennifer.  Those of us who have lived through this and have successfully overcame it, we encourage you on your road to a successful and free lifestyle from abuse!

 

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May 12, 2007, 4:15 am PDT

Situation was not handled well at all

 Okay, I'm  not a therapist, but this situation seemed to be handled very badly. First of all, what is up with "Creative Care" letting Jeffrey have access to a computer and phone while he's in treatment??? When it was determined that Jeffrey was dangerous, why was he not locked up in a psych ward? He just gets to go voluntarily to "Creative Care"? And although I do like Dr. Phil, I don't think he was protecting Jennifer enough in this situation. Jeffrey beat her home and when she found him there, he could have hurt her, hurt the kids, etc. She was alone!! She should have been traveling with a body guard or something. Anything could have happened here! This was a total mess in my opinion. Luckily for everyone, Jeffrey is in jail and Jennifer and the kids are not hurt, but it was LUCK, not skill, in my opinion.
 
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