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Topic : 05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Created on : Friday, May 04, 2007, 12:13:43 pm
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The incredible drama continues involving Jeffrey, an obsessive husband who won’t let go of his wife, Jennifer. After the last show, Jeffrey is on his way back to the treatment facility, when his anger gets the best of him, and he jumps out of the car and goes on the run. He finally calls his therapist from a taxi cab, but soon after is on the loose again. After four hours and a frenzy of phone calls with Dr. Phil show producers, see what Jeffrey demands. With the stress and pressure getting the best of her, Jennifer sits down with Dr. Phil to discuss their next step. In a hurried panic, Jennifer heads home and is shocked by what she finds when she walks in the front door. She takes her kids and flees to her mother’s house. Even though she’s in a safe place, why does she say she still lives in fear? Then, Jennifer’s attorney files papers and meets Jeffrey in front of a judge. Will Jeffrey be able to comply with the judge's orders? And, Jeffrey resumes talk with the Dr. Phil staff. What is he asking for? Jeffrey’s behavior continues to shock and mystify Jennifer and leaves her with only one choice. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 12, 2007, 4:17 am PDT

jenifer say goodby to your sugar daddy

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Get that woman out of that marriage NOW! And get full custody of her children as well so that she wouldn't have to put up with his crap anymore! I just knew in my heart he hasn't changed. People like him make me so sick!

 

Jenifer got pregnant and married after 2 months of dating ?

 

Could it be that at 19 years old she found a 30 year old SUGAR DADDY?

 

Jenifer...a mother of 3,  leaves her husband home babysitting while she goes out clubbing  

 

I would love to hook Jenifer up to a lie detector and ask about her affairs, that would be a great Dr Phil 1 hour show !

 

I read alot of post that say her affairs have nothing to do with it, but I think her affairs drove her husband into his bizarre controlling behavior.

 

I am shocked at dr. phil.... he usually see's both sides of the story, but for some reason he has blinders on and only see's her side.

DR: PHIL: JENIFER'S ACTIONS CAUSED THIS PROBLEM !!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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May 12, 2007, 4:20 am PDT

Lack of judgement

It is clear that Jeffery has deep mental problems. He poses a REAL threat to his family, now and in the future. Perhaps what I'm thinking has happened but the viewers just don't know, but hasn't anyone suggested a plan of do's and do not's. Jennifer has not learned good judgement techniques. If I knew  someone could hack into my email, I sure wouldn't post pictures of me looking all cozy with anyone else. I would not even be on a computer at this time. If I felt that a ring on the phone was this guy, then I wouldn't answer. Last I heard, cell phones can be turned OFF. Jennifer may not be capable of making rational decisions at this time in her life as she has had decisions made for her ,for a long time. She needs a concrete plan, written in plain English of how she should proceed. I agree with one of your readers who said she needs to stay away from any possible romantic relationships at this time, no matter how alluring they might be. No matter how lonely, she needs to concentrate on the kids.
 
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May 12, 2007, 4:22 am PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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her myspace page was set to private, but he is a hacker, remember?

Desperate controlling people will do desperate things to enable their need to control others.  Without that control, desperate controlling people feel lost and inadequate.  The best thing for Jeffrey is to seek and commit to counseling through Creative Care and stay with it until he LEARNS how to function on his own as his own person and not use others to fill the void. 

 

Regardless if he is a hacker or not, they very likely share passwords or had shared passwords in the early stages of their marriage.  He would know everything about her since he has persistently and consistently created analysises of his wife throughout the marriage.  For her to throw him a curve ball at this stage of the game where he would not know or have an idea of what she would use as a password, she would have to literally become another person.  This isn't going to happen folks. 

 

Somehow I doubt seriously Jeffrey was a hacker, I think it is more he just knew Jennifer completely and used that information against her.

 

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May 12, 2007, 4:25 am PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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You mean to tell me that she couldn't have gotten someone to take those kids out of the house and somewhere safe in the hours it took both of them to fly home to Virginia??  Duh # 2  She has pictures taken with men she apparently (her head snuggled on some guy's shoulder) just met. The pics are posted to a website that she knows Jeffrey will see, rocketing him even farther into outer space! Seems to me she might be poking the cornered rattlesnake with a stick to see if it will strike. He definately has abused her, but some common sense on her part would only help her situation, if only to cut down on his ammunition inventory. We have all seen he can manufacture his own in plentiful supply.
 I don't understand why those kids weren't taken out of the house, either and that was not explained. The picture thing was very stupid, yes-but does NOT justify any of Jeffrey's behavior. I think Jennifer is really naive and does not have good judgment, but nobody deserves to be treated the way he was treating her.
 
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May 12, 2007, 4:38 am PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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I guess I worded it wrong.  I was not  trying  to suggest that Jeffrey reminded you of your ex.  What I meant was we tend to empathize when seeing a situation that has a thread of commonality.  As  you stated , you had better things to do at 19 then get married , makes their situation so much different then yours. You could not be manipulated by a 30 year old, she was.

 

So that brings us right back to judging others' situation based on what we would have done and we cannot do that.

 

Look what you did was right, it worked, but for her no.  Remember he called a talk show, he wanted on TV.  He must have believed people would see his point, that he was right. 

 

I have posted a lot in the past few days because some of the people posting here are really off the charts and I am not suggesting that you are at all.  Please understand that.  But If I see a message that  can be misinterpreted by some of these uncaring judging individuals I have to speak up . 

 

Regards....mike

 

 

 

 

 

Nice comments Mike.  I am thankful not many people UNDERSTAND individuals like Jeffrey to be able to judge them accurately.  It is a painful, agonizing road I would not encourage others to fully comprehend on their own.  It is good to be aware that some individuals suffer from a mental condition much like Jeffreys, so we cannot become attached to them in our search for marital bliss.

 

This has been a good segment by the Dr. Phil show to enlighten individuals about our world.  I trust many people will learn what it is they need to, in order, to assist them in leading healthy, non-judgemental, caring, and fulfilling lives.

 

I hope Jeffrey will be able to commit to a successful inpatient care facility where he can receive the help he needs to overcome this narcissistic need to control others who are in his life.  To some, it is merely a re-training their thinking patterns from the abusive world they grew up in, to functioning in a normal, fully functional world.  With successful care, he will walk freely among us and we will never know that he was once this controlling, narcissistic junky;  but, rather, a caring and loving humanitarian.

 
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May 12, 2007, 4:41 am PDT

Jen is NOT innocent here

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Yes, Jeffery is a little off, but what about his wife and her cheating on him twice. There was not much mentioned about that in any of the shows. And no that does not excuse Jeffery for his behavior but the guy was in love with his wife and she is out there laying with other men and going out till 2:00am in the moring with male friends from work. If she was that great of a mother she would be at home with her children and not out at bars until morning. That  would make me really suspicious of my spouse also. Also I do think Jennifer is a bit of a drama queen. She really knows how to act sometimes to make everyone feel sorry for her. And if she was as distressed as she was saying she was, she would not be out taking pictures with other men and posting them on my space. Jeffery should have filed for divorce as soon as he caught her cheating the second time but he loved her and let that get to his head which made him crazy. Too bad for the children that things have ended up the way they have. 

I do NOT condone Jeffery's unskilfull behavior.  Jennifer, on the other hand was portrayed through all of this as "Saint Jennifer" the innocent victim.  I ain't buying it.  Dr. Phil should have spent more time exposing her actions...that may have significantly contributed to this situation.

 

Jeffery is way over the edge. 

 

Some spouses enjoy keeping their partners "off balance".  In a loving, trusting, respectful relationship you do not taunt your partner.  I would not care if my wife had a MY SPACE site as long as she did not "make herself available" to others.  I would be upset if she (my wife) locked me out of her site...and would not divulge the contents.  This would keep my "un-centered" and off balance.  I would not do that to her.

 

The photo of her snuggled in a new strangers shoulder, is a symptom of what "abuse" Jeffery himself was subject to.  That photo did not look innocent.  If my wife was taking photos like this with guys she knew only 5 minutes, I would question ALL of her actions.

 

I have enough self esteem that I would not stand in front of the *** kicking machine, but would leave.  Jeffery wanted a relationship with a woman,the mother of his kids, who probably could (or would) not emotionally reciprocate with him.  His methodology for dealing with her was and is very skewwed and unskilfull.

 

Dr. Phil, I wish you had taken her to task.  Yes, Jeffery is a basket case.......the story has two sides and you portrayed only one side.....is it for ratings.....sensationalism......making Jeffery look like a nut case.......would that have been diminished if it had been shown there were valid reasons that helped push him over the edge?

 
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May 12, 2007, 5:02 am PDT

You're Missing the Cause

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I do NOT condone Jeffery's unskilfull behavior.  Jennifer, on the other hand was portrayed through all of this as "Saint Jennifer" the innocent victim.  I ain't buying it.  Dr. Phil should have spent more time exposing her actions...that may have significantly contributed to this situation.

 

Jeffery is way over the edge. 

 

Some spouses enjoy keeping their partners "off balance".  In a loving, trusting, respectful relationship you do not taunt your partner.  I would not care if my wife had a MY SPACE site as long as she did not "make herself available" to others.  I would be upset if she (my wife) locked me out of her site...and would not divulge the contents.  This would keep my "un-centered" and off balance.  I would not do that to her.

 

The photo of her snuggled in a new strangers shoulder, is a symptom of what "abuse" Jeffery himself was subject to.  That photo did not look innocent.  If my wife was taking photos like this with guys she knew only 5 minutes, I would question ALL of her actions.

 

I have enough self esteem that I would not stand in front of the *** kicking machine, but would leave.  Jeffery wanted a relationship with a woman,the mother of his kids, who probably could (or would) not emotionally reciprocate with him.  His methodology for dealing with her was and is very skewwed and unskilfull.

 

Dr. Phil, I wish you had taken her to task.  Yes, Jeffery is a basket case.......the story has two sides and you portrayed only one side.....is it for ratings.....sensationalism......making Jeffery look like a nut case.......would that have been diminished if it had been shown there were valid reasons that helped push him over the edge?

She started out normally, but because he's so controlling and abusive, she began to desperately want to get away & with no money, My Space and other things were all she had in a hope to escape his insane stalking.  She had no where else to go.  If she can keep a restraining order on him for her lifetime, that would be best.  If he stays in jail his whole life, that might be the only way to get him to stop stalking her.  Or, with a lot of work on his part, he can eventually have a good love life with a new wife and be friends with Jennifer and see his kids.  But he's blown this relationship with too much abuse that is beyond extreme.  He can be happy again if he works at it, but it will take a lot of help.
 
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May 12, 2007, 5:05 am PDT

Re: Obsessive Love

This show upset me a great deal. Almost as much as the show titled "A Mothers Rage".

Jeffrey is obviously mentally ill, and that;s an understatement.

I have a few questions though. Why didn't Jennifer change her phone number? It's fairly simple to do. Or turn her cell phone off? And Dr. Phil, this guy really creeped me out, so I can imagine how afraid Jen is of him.

Where is all the help you promised her? Letting your staff try to track him down, etc.

Put that woman and her children in a safe house, not her mothers, which is the first place he would look.

I expect to see the entire family's name in the paper any day now. jeffrey will end up killing them, then committing suicide. I have seen it too much.

Please have an update, I'm not the only one that is worried about Jen.

 
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May 12, 2007, 5:06 am PDT

Yes, the Kids

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 I don't understand why those kids weren't taken out of the house, either and that was not explained. The picture thing was very stupid, yes-but does NOT justify any of Jeffrey's behavior. I think Jennifer is really naive and does not have good judgment, but nobody deserves to be treated the way he was treating her.
Right, the kids should have been taken out of the house.  I agree.  And snuggling up to a guy she met 2 minutes before is odd.  I would NEVER do that.  What was she thinking?  I guess she is really dying to be free & I get that.  But I could never snuggle up to guys I had just met 2 minutes before.  I can't relate.  No wonder she wound up with such a sick individual.  Her screening process on guys she lets close to her is nill.
 
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May 12, 2007, 5:07 am PDT

I agree with your post

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This show upset me a great deal. Almost as much as the show titled "A Mothers Rage".

Jeffrey is obviously mentally ill, and that;s an understatement.

I have a few questions though. Why didn't Jennifer change her phone number? It's fairly simple to do. Or turn her cell phone off? And Dr. Phil, this guy really creeped me out, so I can imagine how afraid Jen is of him.

Where is all the help you promised her? Letting your staff try to track him down, etc.

Put that woman and her children in a safe house, not her mothers, which is the first place he would look.

I expect to see the entire family's name in the paper any day now. jeffrey will end up killing them, then committing suicide. I have seen it too much.

Please have an update, I'm not the only one that is worried about Jen.

Very well put.  Good points all.
 
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