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Topic : 05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Created on : Friday, May 04, 2007, 12:13:43 pm
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The incredible drama continues involving Jeffrey, an obsessive husband who won’t let go of his wife, Jennifer. After the last show, Jeffrey is on his way back to the treatment facility, when his anger gets the best of him, and he jumps out of the car and goes on the run. He finally calls his therapist from a taxi cab, but soon after is on the loose again. After four hours and a frenzy of phone calls with Dr. Phil show producers, see what Jeffrey demands. With the stress and pressure getting the best of her, Jennifer sits down with Dr. Phil to discuss their next step. In a hurried panic, Jennifer heads home and is shocked by what she finds when she walks in the front door. She takes her kids and flees to her mother’s house. Even though she’s in a safe place, why does she say she still lives in fear? Then, Jennifer’s attorney files papers and meets Jeffrey in front of a judge. Will Jeffrey be able to comply with the judge's orders? And, Jeffrey resumes talk with the Dr. Phil staff. What is he asking for? Jeffrey’s behavior continues to shock and mystify Jennifer and leaves her with only one choice. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 12, 2007, 10:25 am PDT

Creative Disaster!

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You've made an interesting and valid point. I never looked at it in that way. Why would they allow him to use computers during his stay, that's like getting a drug of choice while in rehab. EXCELLENT POINT.

 

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I was thinking the same thing about Creative Care.  I used to work in a drug rehab ~ not a posh one or anything ~ but we did have to monitor the clients.  I'm thinking, How did he manage to get his drivers' license back? Didn't they confiscate his cellphone? And, given his history, wouldn't they monitor his internet use?  How's Jeffrey supposed to get any better if he's still using his drug of choice?
 
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May 12, 2007, 10:31 am PDT

I Don't Think Dr. Phil Wanted Better TV Ratings

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is locked up which isn't going to happen unless he hurts her, she is going to be killed.  We just had 2 murders in the area where I live, both domestic violence.    These abusers never change, I know, I was married to one. 

 

 I can't understand why Dr. Phil didn't tell her to leave him in the first show;  he wanted better TV ratings at the expense of this poor woman?  He doesn't seem like that kind of man.   I fail to see the logic in dragging this out.  Jennifer is clearly way beyond distressed and Jefferey is truly over the edge.  Who is taking care of those kids?

 

Jennifer doesn't have a chance unless she gets far away from him.  Someplace he cannnot find her.

when he asked Jennifer to stay with it until Jeffery got help.  He wanted Jeffery to get help because there are 3 children involved and, whether anyone likes it or not, Jeffery is still the father of those children.  Dr. Phil seemed to know Jeffery probably wasn't going to follow through and a divorce would be imminent, but he must have hoped that some sort of counseling would help Jeffery through the pschological trauma of the initial divorce proceedings.

 

This drama is far from over.  There is really only one way to stop this guy and that is to keep him locked up indifinitely.  He won't stop and he is probably extremely dangerous now that he knows Jennifer is getting out for good.

 

I wish Dr. Phil would sponsor a fund for Jennifer because I'd surely like to donate some funds to help her get on her feet and fight that crazy nut job.

 

There is one thing Jennifer should be thanking Jeffery for and that is for writing to Dr. Phil in the first place.  Boy!  Did that letter backfire on him! 

 

 

 
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May 12, 2007, 10:32 am PDT

What was she thinking?

The show Friday was very disturbing.  Why would a woman with a stalker husband post such a photo on the web?  She knew he would see it.  How could she get so cozy with someone she JUST met?  A married woman needs to maintain some decorum.   She was supposed to be laying low and instead, she is putting herself out there.   Tisk,tisk.
 
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May 12, 2007, 10:35 am PDT

Thank You!!

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My take on this is that there was a need to let the events unfold as per their normal course in order for Jeffrey to end up where he was told he would end up. 

 

I think a lot of this was to build the case so that Jennifer can get a divorce and ensure that Jeffrey is held accountable for his actions. 

 

And I think the most important element of this show was to demonstrate how difficult it is to navigate these shoals within the mental health and legal systems for example: as insane as Jeffrey is no one can just have him locked up  - this is a reality (and to think otherwise is naïve). 

 

Jeffrey was never serious (in my opinion) about treatment or anything as Dr. Phil said he was just trying to manipulate this situation like he has manipulated every situation for the past 10 years and what Dr. Phil did was pull the almighty manipulation on Jeffrey in order to get to the place where Jeffreys behaviour is documented and can be used in a court of law. 

 

My biggest concern with this story is the ease in which firearms can be acquired in the US .. given that reality I think Jennifers life is in danger Jeffrey appears to me to be the kind of guy who thinks If I cant have her .. no one can have her. 

 

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Valid points, all. Your 3rd para. answers the inquiry in the post directly below yours (and similar sentiments repeated ad infinitum. They  needed documentation to get a court to say that he should be locked up...remember what the LA cops told the Dr. Phil staff, that they couldn't just pick him up for no reason.

 

Jen & the kids need to be in hiding; she should only materialize for court dates (or could they even do it via Webcam?).

 
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May 12, 2007, 10:36 am PDT

I Don't Think Dr. Phil Wanted Better TV Ratings

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is locked up which isn't going to happen unless he hurts her, she is going to be killed.  We just had 2 murders in the area where I live, both domestic violence.    These abusers never change, I know, I was married to one. 

 

 I can't understand why Dr. Phil didn't tell her to leave him in the first show;  he wanted better TV ratings at the expense of this poor woman?  He doesn't seem like that kind of man.   I fail to see the logic in dragging this out.  Jennifer is clearly way beyond distressed and Jefferey is truly over the edge.  Who is taking care of those kids?

 

Jennifer doesn't have a chance unless she gets far away from him.  Someplace he cannnot find her.

when he asked Jennifer to stay with it until Jeffery got help.  He wanted Jeffery to get help because there are 3 children involved and, whether anyone likes it or not, Jeffery is still the father of those children.  Dr. Phil seemed to know Jeffery probably wasn't going to follow through and a divorce would be imminent, but he must have hoped that some sort of counseling would help Jeffery through the psychological trauma of the initial divorce proceedings.

 

This drama is far from over.  There is really only one way to stop this guy and that is to keep him locked up indefinitely and I doubt that even that will really stop him.  He's resourceful and he's fixated on her.  I'm glad the court system is taking this as seriously as they should.

 

I wish Dr. Phil would sponsor a fund for Jennifer because I'd surely like to donate some funds to help her get on her feet and fight that crazy nut job.

 

There is one thing Jennifer should be thanking Jeffery for and that is for writing to Dr. Phil in the first place.  Boy!  Did that letter backfire on him! 

 

 

 
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May 12, 2007, 10:39 am PDT

I agree---Leave Va.

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SHe needs to leave Virgina change her name and the kids as well. He will NOT change. He may fool people but he will not Change one bit. He is sick. Needs to be in a mental  hospital for extensive therapy. I worry about Jen. SHe seems like a very loving person and I hate to see a person go thru this. Jen, You tried to make thigns work but remember what Dr Phil said to you. ITS NOT YOUR FAULT. Don't blame yourself he is a sick man.

 

Chin up Jen Dr Phil will help you thru this

 

 

 

Jen, You really need to think about getting out of Va. with your children and going somewhere safe!!!!! I would not put anything past Jeffery at this point. You need to focus on your self and your children now and let Jeffery deal with Jeffery.  Praying for you!! 
 
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May 12, 2007, 10:48 am PDT

Fellow Viginian

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POOR JENNIFER LIVES IN VIRGINIA. LAWS ARE NOT GOOD FOR PROTECTING PEOPLE FROM MENTALLY ILL STALKERS IN VIRGINIA. SHE SHOULD RELOCATE TO ANOTHER STATE FOR GOOD. I HOPE THAT HER ATTORNEY GETS HER AWAY BEFORE HE KILLS HER.

 

 MENTAL ILLNESS AND VIOLENCE ARE A BIG ISSUE HERE IN VIRGINIA. CONSIDER THE VA TECH TRAGEDY.

 

MY NIECE, DENORA HILL, WAS MURDERED IN VIRGINIA A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. HER BI-POLAR ESTRANGED X BOYFRIEND COULDN'T LIVE WITHOUT HER. HE HAD NEVER HANDLED A GUN UNTIL A FRIDAY IN DECEMBER 05 AND ON MONDAY HE SHOT HER 8 TIMES AND KILLED HIMSELF. SHE HAD PLANS TO RELOCATE AFTER HER SEMESTER WAS OVER AT UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND IN A FEW SHORT DAYS. SHE HAD SOMEONE FOLLOW HER HOME FROM WORK THAT TRAGIC DAY TO PROTECT HER BUT WAS AMBUSHED OUTSIDE HER OWN HOME. HER MOTHER IS PUSHING TO MAKE STALKING A FELONY AND IT SHOULD BE. STALKERS ARE TERRIFYING AND SHOULD BE HELD IF THEY HAVE A PATTERN OF VIOLENCE. I GUESS WITH DR PHIL AND THE HIGH PROFILE ATTORNEY THAT STRINGS WERE PULLED TO HOLD HIM WITHOUT BAIL BUT THIS IS UNUSUAL IN THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS.

 

LAWS NEED TO CHANGE TO HOLD STALKERS IN JAIL WHEN A PATTERN OF VIOLENT BEHAVIOR EXISTS AND MENTAL ILLNESS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED TO SEE THAT SOMEONE IS PROTECTING THE VICTIMS. JEFFERY OBVIOUSLY WILL NEVER BE "BETTER" AND SHE WILL ALWAYS BE IN DANGER. HIS EXPOSURE ON THE SHOW WILL ADD TO HIS INSTABILITY.

 
I completely agree with you about the need to overhaul the current inadequate system for dealing with the mentally ill in this state.

It  seems we want to treat mental illness through the criminal justice system.

The case you mentioned reminds me of another attitude that needs overhauling.  It is very hard for people to recognize and internally acknowlege that someone is dangerously mentally ill.  They can't seem to see a person that is many times sweet or caring or who seems weak or mostly harmless, could be capable of acting out when the illness takes over.  
 
 
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May 12, 2007, 10:51 am PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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My take on this is that there was a need to let the events unfold as per their normal course in order for Jeffrey to end up where he was told he would end up. 

 

I think a lot of this was to build the case so that Jennifer can get a divorce and ensure that Jeffrey is held accountable for his actions. 

 

And I think the most important element of this show was to demonstrate how difficult it is to navigate these shoals within the mental health and legal systems for example: as insane as Jeffrey is no one can just have him locked up  - this is a reality (and to think otherwise is naïve). 

 

Jeffrey was never serious (in my opinion) about treatment or anything as Dr. Phil said he was just trying to manipulate this situation like he has manipulated every situation for the past 10 years and what Dr. Phil did was pull the almighty manipulation on Jeffrey in order to get to the place where Jeffreys behaviour is documented and can be used in a court of law. 

 

My biggest concern with this story is the ease in which firearms can be acquired in the US .. given that reality I think Jennifers life is in danger Jeffrey appears to me to be the kind of guy who thinks If I cant have her .. no one can have her. 

 

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Thanks for sharing that ~ it certainly explains Creative Care a little better.  And it's true, the situation is more clear cut in terms of how to handle it now that it's been established that Jeffrey is not at all serious about getting help. 

 

Still, in a drug rehab, one premise is that the person can't stop on his own so they've got to be prevented from getting that drug of choice until they're stronger and saner.  Jeffrey would have been completely distracted from any potential for getting help ~ distracted by the sheer fact that he was allowed to do so much stalky stuff while he was there.  Maybe stalking addiction is treated differently from drug addiction ~ I don't know because I don't have any experience with it.

 

The other thing that seems like a mess up was Creative Care's not monitoring what Jeffrey did with his driver's license.  Apparently, they ensured Dr. Phil that he did not have it with him, and, Dr. Phil and his team operated based on the fact that they didn't think Jeffrey would be able to get on a plane.  And, deviant that he was, Jeffrey waited until he was a short time away from boarding his flight before he let on that he did in fact have his driver's license.  I think he may have done this on purpose so that Dr. Phil's team wouldn't make plans to get Jennifer back to the house first.  I don't know for certain, but it sure seems like someone at Creative Care was asleep at the switchboard!

 

 

 
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May 12, 2007, 10:55 am PDT

Obsessive Love

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RUN AND DON'T LOOK BACK. Whatever concerns you have about making it in the future should be a cakewalk compared to your present situation. The only problem is that people quite often will choose the same type of relationship again unfortunatly.   BE WELL

Dr. Phil,

I watched your show on Friday and couldn't believe what I was seeing.  My heart went out to Jennifer and her children.  I hope and pray that she doesn't meet anyone like her ex-husband and will give herself time to heal and move on.  I knew he wouldn't finish his therapy.  It looks like he's going to need years of HELP.  Thank goodness he's behind bars, and hopefully that will give him something to think about. 

 
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May 12, 2007, 10:56 am PDT

I thought it was only me who felt this!!!!

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You know I've been there. Maybe not as bad as Jennifer but it wasn't fun. I just have a problem with Jennifer though. I don't know maybe I'm way off tilt here but I just found her to be somewhat fake in her emotions. I mean she cried when the camera was there and was laughing when I think anyone should have been crying there eyes out. She's going to parties and posting the pictures on the web page. I mean really. Why didn't she change her password on the pc. No changing of the phone number. I don't know. There just seems to be something else going on there. Don't get me wrong he is a very, very sick man and I think he is where he needs to be in jail or treatment. I do feel for her though. I hope you all the best Jennifer.

Hi!

I agree totally with you. I do agree that he is a danger. But there is something not quite right about jennifer either. Almost as if she enjoys this attention, and even though I side with her, part of me picks up that maybe she was a very cold women in her marriage which made jeffrey more unstable. That is it is probable that she was always cold and distant from the beginning in her marriage.

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N

 

 
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