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Topic : 05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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Created on : Friday, May 04, 2007, 12:13:43 pm
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The incredible drama continues involving Jeffrey, an obsessive husband who won’t let go of his wife, Jennifer. After the last show, Jeffrey is on his way back to the treatment facility, when his anger gets the best of him, and he jumps out of the car and goes on the run. He finally calls his therapist from a taxi cab, but soon after is on the loose again. After four hours and a frenzy of phone calls with Dr. Phil show producers, see what Jeffrey demands. With the stress and pressure getting the best of her, Jennifer sits down with Dr. Phil to discuss their next step. In a hurried panic, Jennifer heads home and is shocked by what she finds when she walks in the front door. She takes her kids and flees to her mother’s house. Even though she’s in a safe place, why does she say she still lives in fear? Then, Jennifer’s attorney files papers and meets Jeffrey in front of a judge. Will Jeffrey be able to comply with the judge's orders? And, Jeffrey resumes talk with the Dr. Phil staff. What is he asking for? Jeffrey’s behavior continues to shock and mystify Jennifer and leaves her with only one choice. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 13, 2007, 3:26 pm PDT

05/11 Obsessive Love: On the Run

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DR. Phil,

I realize your job is to counsel couples to help them save their marriages, but come on!!  I think this is what drives me crazy about your show. 

Most of the people who come to your show are in marriages that are beyond saving.  You provide all this professional help so that you can drag it all out for ratings. I am not against the need for the help you offer, but really, offer it to the woman ( or man) to end the marriage not stay in the marriage.  I don't care if the divorce rate is what it is, most of these couples should never have married in the first place. Love does not conquer all, Love alone does not constitute a reason to stay in an unhealthy marriage.  What is your success rate anyway?  Out of all the married couples you have counseled over the years, how many have actually stayed married successfully??

 This is a perfect example.   This guy, Jeffrey, is a lunatic!!!  Jennifer needs to get out and she should have gotten out years ago!!!  She has been beaten down so low, she is a poster child for abused women.  She may not have a bruise on her body, but the abuse she has dealt with is almost worse in some ways. 

I hope and pray that Jennifer will find her way out of this marriage and get the help she needs so that she sees that her love is worth so much more than what this man could ever afford.  She is worth more and it is time she show this to her children.  She is giving them the wrong message by staying in a marriage that is dead.  I hope this episode ends with Jennifer coming on your stage with the self esteem she needs to provide for herself and her children.  Only then will she attract a man that is worthy of her love.

 

I didn't get the impression that Dr. Phil really wanted to save the marriage. I believe the only reason he told Jenn to "stay" was because he wanted Jeffrey to agree to go to a treatment facility. I think he realized how insane the man was and needed a way to get him to agree to treatment, so he used Jen as a pawn, which seems to have inflamed the situation.
 

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May 13, 2007, 3:28 pm PDT

Red flags!

Jen needs to get herself and her children as far away from this man as possible.  He is crazy.  I don't care who is to blame.  Her job is to come out of this nightmare alive.  Her first priority is her children.  Until Jeff is mentally ok she should have nothing to do with him.  He is a danger to himself and his family.  Only after much much much treatment should he be allowed to see his children.  Protect the children first. 

While going through my divorce I kept telling my attorney that my husband was mentally unstable.  He kept stalking me, breaking into my house, having my neighbor watch me and report to him. etc.  My attorney said that she wasn't worried about it and explained that there was just a lot of stress because of the divorce.  I knew she was wrong but couldn't prove it until my ex called me a few days later and told me that his sister had shot and killed her husband and then comitted suicide!  My ex acted just like his sister.  (bipolar)   By the way, this got my attorney's attention!

 

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May 13, 2007, 3:37 pm PDT

Creative Mess

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In my opinion, the treatment facility really dropped the ball.  I realize the choices of facilities for Jefferey were probably limited, but, if Dr Phil could have arranged it, Jeffrey would have been better served by a good drug treatment facility where they are trained to keep people away from their drug, in this case Jennifer, and trained to deal with intense manipulation. 

 

I could not believe the facility allowed him access to her, allowed the access to continue even when it was abused, and then had the audacity to expect her to talk him down for them.  Jennifer is the abuse victim not his therapist.  If his problem were physical abuse, would they ask her to let him punch her until his sedative took effect? 

 

As if that wasn't bad enough, I think they crossed the line from incompetence to dangerous negligence when they didn't notify Jennifer that he was on the way home the second time.  To agree not to notify Dr Phil was one thing, although I can't understand why Dr Phil would agree to pay for treatment under those conditions, but for the facility to agree to treat him without clear permission to notify Jennifer if he left should be criminal!  Thank God her local police were on the ball. 

 

And Dr Phil, what were you thinkin'?  Allowing the kids and their babysitter to stay in the home with Jeffrey on the way, and then allowing Jennifer to walk into that situation alone?  We're lucky we didn't hear about this as a murder-suicide on the evening news.  The minute you knew Jeffrey was on the way, the babysitter and kids should have been in a local hotel at the very least.

 

And while we're at it, what's with Jennifer going out with friends while she was at her mother's house and allowing pictures to be taken by people stupid enough to post them on the internet?  Something is just not right with her.  At this point, I think, if she's not having an affair, something else is going on.  Jeffrey is crazy enough on his own and dead wrong to use it as an excuse for abuse, but even I would be driven a little nuts in his situation by being told one thing and perceiving another.  At this point Jeffrey's not safe to be honest with, but I hope she's being honest with herself and with Dr Phil.      

 I agree. What kind of facility expects the victim to talk down the patient on the phone??  Is Jennifer a therapist now? Isn't that their job? They sound totally incompetent. And Jennifer returning by herself to the house to find Jeffrey could have been a disaster. This seemed like professional incompetence all around!!!
 

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May 13, 2007, 3:43 pm PDT

Arrested in LA

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The LA Police should have arrested him in LA for jumping all those taxi fares.  Why didn't that happen.  And I too couldn't believe that he was allowed so much access to computers and telephones while in rehab.  That facility really must have some lax rules or it's one of those celeb facilities (like Brittney was in) where you can check in and out as you please.  And how in the heck did he get his driver's license back?  And why on earth didn't the babysitter at least take the kids to her house or anywhere else to get the kids out of there?  I'm always left with a zillion questions that are never answered on the show.
 I was wondering about that myself. Jumping from cab to cab and not paying is against the law, why wasn't he arrested?? I was left with many questions myself.
 
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May 13, 2007, 4:05 pm PDT

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 How were you abused by your father?   Was is sexual abuse?  How did he emotionally abuse you?  What physical abuse did you experience?

I really wonder because you do not seem to understand the abuse that Jeffrey is doing to Jennifer.

Did your dad yell at you once, and throw something at you?  Did he beat you?  Did he tell you lies or try to confuse you?    Did he teach you to be sarcastic and put people down for things that you cannot understand?   Did he call you a slut and whore after you married your husband? 


Where in this world are you getting your information that tells you that Jennifer is responsible for this situation?

If you were abused by your father, then it doesn't look like you have really moved on.  You are trying to control Jennifer, just as your father tried to control you, and as Jeffrey tried to control Jennifer. 

She deserves to be a free agent and so do you.  If you are happy with your husband and can be yourself, that is wonderful.  Just back off from making judgements about other people if you don't really understand their situation. 

This reply was right on target.

All of this is so familiar to me. I was phyically and sexually abused  by my stepfather. He got away with it. I moved on at an early age to prove myself a strong winner. I can look back now and see how wrong I was. I have almost two failed marriages behind me, both to abusing and controlling men. I got out of the last one almost a year ago with the help of a friend, I house-sat while she vacationed safely. The Abuse Hotline people gave up on me, ministers, and even two lawyers couldn't help. He is so bullet-proof, shiney clean. I currently am living in one roon, paycheck to paycheck, barely surviving, and physically injured, I'm living on the edge.

I can sleep at night, he is not standing over me any longer. My cars keep blowing up---about every two years, the insurance company can't figure out why. I still live in fear every day, look for him, and if I see him, I hide. I am saving up money to file for divorce.  I believe if I do die, because of him, or the cancer returns, I'll be much better off-than if I stayed even one more day.

My kids are adults, I regret more than anything that they grew up in an abusive family,one of my daughters is in therapy now, and I took them both to therapy for several years while they were growing up. I pray my children will be happeir and healthier than I was or am today.

Good Luck Jennifer. Fight for yourself and your kids. Maybe your terrifying situation will bring awareness to others, and bring about help and change.

 
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May 13, 2007, 4:07 pm PDT

Has anybody noticed.........

............that she took the kids and went to her mother's house, then almost immediately went to a party where she was photographed snuggling up to men she claims to have met "five minutes before"?  This doesn't sound like the behavior of a woman who's stressed; sounds like a woman who's as irresponsible as the husband she claims to be so afraid of.  Despite his history of tracking her every move and probing into every website he thinks she might have some connection with, she allows those pictures to be posted on the internet, knowing full well that he'll see them.  Why, if she's in fear for her life, would she deliberately throw that in his face?  She seems to be daring him to react.

 

Perhaps her husband is as dangerous as everyone seems to think, and perhaps not; it's obvious, however, that both partners in this marriage need psychological help.  It's hard to say which one is more unstable. I can't help wondering how much of her behavior is trauma and how much is drama.

 

I personally think she's enjoying her "fifteen minutes of fame" but until this matter is resolved, she should focus on rebuilding her life and her kids' lives.  While I agree that everyone needs some fun ( i.e. the above-mentioned party), common sense tells us that there's plenty of time for that particular kind of fun once the needs of her children have been met.  They absolutely must come first; otherwise they're going to be scarred for life.

 

I was once a physically-and-mentally-abused wife and later spent three years volunteering on a domestic abuse hotline, so I do have some personal insight into situations like this.

 
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May 13, 2007, 4:08 pm PDT

What about Jennifer??

I agree that Jeffrey is a nut job and it's obvious that he is beyond hope--mostly because he isn't even trying, BUT what about Jennifer?  It seems strange to me that when she was in Iowa with her mother she would go out on the town, cuddle up to some guy she met five minutes before and have her picture taken.   And what about those friends of hers?   Putting the pictures on the internet?   How old are these people?   They act like teen-agers.

If Jennifer doesn't get her act together, she'll find herself in another bad relationship.  I'm sure Jeffrey's controlling ways are a part of it but she better grow up and act respectable.  I thought all these sites (MySpace, etc) were for teenagers who have nothing better to do with their lives.  And with him being such a controlling jerk, why would she post these items on her site?

Grow up and act like a lady, Jennifer. 

 
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May 13, 2007, 4:15 pm PDT

Way to behave...

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FOR ALL OF YOU WHO KEEP BLAMING JENNIFER, YOU MAKE ME SICK.  YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING WHICH YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.  I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE IS A "WAY TO BEHAVE WHEN ABUSED"  LET ME KNOW, AND I WILL PASS THAT INFORMATION ON TO MY MOTHER.  I DON'T THINK SHE ACTED LIKE AN ABUSED WOMAN, NOR DID MY SISTER AND I ACT LIKE ABUSED CHILDREN, BUT WE WERE.  PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE RULES AND GUIDELINES FOR ABUSED BEHAVIOR SO THAT ALL ABUSED WOMEN AND CHILDREN MAY BEHAVE THAT WAY, SO THAT WE CAN RECEIVE UNDERSTANDING AND CARING.

 

TERRI

We behave in whatever way we believe is the best way to stay alive and in one piece.

That changes constantly as we try to get along with our abusers, make excuses,cover up for them, and to them.

By the sound of your post, you are very angry, and have a right to be. You are alive, so  you learned how to behave just to survive. Me too.

 
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May 13, 2007, 4:21 pm PDT

mass manipulation

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Oh .... I see.   Yes, I guess you are right.    My other question is How did he get the babysitter out of the house, after Jennifer called her to update her on what is going on???

This was a powerful show and I do hope they all get help before it's too late.

Well he is a mass manipulator? Dr. Phil didn't explore all the aspects of this.  Maybe in a future episode he will give us that information.  I can speculate that he gave her some sort of ultimatium. But once she was out she should have called Jen. There is more than meets the eye into that situation.They are dealing with a very unstable man.  I would assume that the babysitter wanted to get out of there unscathed.
 
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May 13, 2007, 4:29 pm PDT

Really?

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Mike....you must realized she CHOSE to make her life public.  Yes, we all have problems and make mistakes, but you don't see me sharing them on national television.  And you must admit she is egging him on with her behavior so she will get exactly what she is asking for.

What Jennifer-and other abused women are asking for?

She's made mistakes-does she deserve to die?

She's very young, and needs help.

 

 
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