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Topic : 08/24 The Dr. Phil House: “Make My Kid a Star,” Part 3

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(Original Air Date: 05/21/07) Dr. Phil’s child star competition heats up! Seven kids with stars in their eyes face the final leg of the competition in The Dr. Phil House, but do their mothers unwittingly sabotage their chances? After speaking with Veronica, Kiki and Larissa about how they could be a liability to their child’s success, Dr. Phil turns to Kim and Susan. Playing a video clip of Kim’s daughter, Alaina, in an interview, Dr. Phil points out the pressure and stress that she feels and how it may affect her performance in school. Then, Dr. Phil shows a video of Susan assisting her daughter, Meagan, during the dance rehearsals. In the video, Meagan struggles under her demands. Will these mothers adjust their behavior and take on a healthy, supportive role in their child’s career? Then, it’s time for the final talent show! Each child performs on the Dr. Phil stage, in front of his studio audience and a panel of Hollywood’s top talent agents, managers and casting directors, who decide the grand-prize winner. The children receive fabulous prizes for their hard work, but they mean little to one upset mother. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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May 25, 2007, 8:56 am PDT

Are the facts confusing you?

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After seeing your "performance" on Phil,how you presented your "Mothering" techniques,and hearing how the boys speak of you,I would think you should put all your  contemplation over Marias life  elsewhere
I noticed on your profile that you work in a hospice - are you having a "compassionate moment"?
 
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May 25, 2007, 1:17 pm PDT

LMAO...

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LMAO!!!!!  Kiki and Kurt are already divorced and Kiki has been married since the kids were very young.  They have made the best of a tough situation but honestly, you have not read the boards if you do not 1) already know they are financially wealthy 2) Gracie and Warren share parents, bonus parents and grandparents equally with about 14 cousins...children of doctors, investment brokers, real estate property managerws/owners, all college educated and working so their children don't have to and although I do not know how many trust funds, etc. are provided, don't worry about them!!

Thank you for realizing that Kentucky is a beautiful place. I hope some day you can visit, especially around Derby!!!:-)

Kiki's finacial intelligence is beyond anything you've probably imagined. 

For ALL the posters who  believe God does not care as much for our wealthy children as He does for the poor....keep reading His word..He does care about Grace, Warren, Kiki's and even your future. He has a fabulous plan for your life...Maybe it is in Kentucky, Hollywood, Idaho, Oregon, Africa...Just ask Him...He loves and wants to bless you....

I miss Kentucky, although California is beautiful as well.  He made an impressive creation here!

Gracie's talent will speak for itself...I will always defend my girlfriend whether it's on Dr. Phil's message board or in the latest rag mag!! I'm sure as Gracie's career grows, so will the ignorant criticism...As long as it is within my ability..I will love and defend my friend.

Gracie is past talent competitions and plays. I hope you do not think that theater is "crap".  If so, you are missing out on a very enriching part of life..

Lighten up and live!!!!:-)

God Bless,

My husband's wife, my kid's mom, God's child and Kiki's friend,

I AM SO PROUD OF GRACIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for the opportunity Dr. Phil.

 

I don't think that teaching Gracie to go spend a small fortune is a good idea on something that has a very small chance of happening.  It's usually not a good horse to bet on.  It's not a good thing to teach Gracie about blowing money without having a backup plan.  Gracie said it herself " It's the only thing I'm good at".   That's sad.  She needs to have something else to lean on, because acting isn't forever, the older you are, the less work you get. 

 

Even if Kiki/Kurt are divorced, isn't Warren entitled to see his sister?  What about his mom?  Is it fair to spend all this time/money on Gracie, and to hell with everyone else?  There's no connection or family unity here.  Is it healthy to let Gracie eat her weight in sugar because she wants to, or is it healthier to say "no"?  Kiki wouldn't let her do that, so why is she ripping the family apart because Gracie thinks she wants to act?

 

 
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May 25, 2007, 1:24 pm PDT

Also..

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LMAO!!!!!  Kiki and Kurt are already divorced and Kiki has been married since the kids were very young.  They have made the best of a tough situation but honestly, you have not read the boards if you do not 1) already know they are financially wealthy 2) Gracie and Warren share parents, bonus parents and grandparents equally with about 14 cousins...children of doctors, investment brokers, real estate property managerws/owners, all college educated and working so their children don't have to and although I do not know how many trust funds, etc. are provided, don't worry about them!!

Thank you for realizing that Kentucky is a beautiful place. I hope some day you can visit, especially around Derby!!!:-)

Kiki's finacial intelligence is beyond anything you've probably imagined. 

For ALL the posters who  believe God does not care as much for our wealthy children as He does for the poor....keep reading His word..He does care about Grace, Warren, Kiki's and even your future. He has a fabulous plan for your life...Maybe it is in Kentucky, Hollywood, Idaho, Oregon, Africa...Just ask Him...He loves and wants to bless you....

I miss Kentucky, although California is beautiful as well.  He made an impressive creation here!

Gracie's talent will speak for itself...I will always defend my girlfriend whether it's on Dr. Phil's message board or in the latest rag mag!! I'm sure as Gracie's career grows, so will the ignorant criticism...As long as it is within my ability..I will love and defend my friend.

Gracie is past talent competitions and plays. I hope you do not think that theater is "crap".  If so, you are missing out on a very enriching part of life..

Lighten up and live!!!!:-)

God Bless,

My husband's wife, my kid's mom, God's child and Kiki's friend,

I AM SO PROUD OF GRACIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for the opportunity Dr. Phil.

You didn't get the point of my post either.

 

My point was that is it fair to let the kid open a can of worms when she doesn't fully understand (what child would at her age) the impact of fame on other aspects of her life?  Is it fair to turn the poor kid into a product?

 

 

 
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May 25, 2007, 5:53 pm PDT

Honesty

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You didn't get the point of my post either.

 

My point was that is it fair to let the kid open a can of worms when she doesn't fully understand (what child would at her age) the impact of fame on other aspects of her life?  Is it fair to turn the poor kid into a product?

 

 

I admire your honesty  in your profile that you thrive on conflict....I'm really sorry  to hear that.    I hope you find help for that...hey!!!! Maybe Dr. Phil is the right place for you to park yourself.

 

Love is much easier and rewarding..That's what God has planned for Gracie!!!!!! She is not a product, but God's fabulous creation....we love her very much...Our prayers will be with warriors like you.  Our world will live in peace when we can all profile that we thrive on peace....I hope that for you.  Have fun on the boards....I think we've made our point....Gracie wins.

 

Let her lifesong sing for the world to share...Let our lifesongs sing to God as well.

 
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May 25, 2007, 6:23 pm PDT

Conflict is a good thing

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I admire your honesty  in your profile that you thrive on conflict....I'm really sorry  to hear that.    I hope you find help for that...hey!!!! Maybe Dr. Phil is the right place for you to park yourself.

 

Love is much easier and rewarding..That's what God has planned for Gracie!!!!!! She is not a product, but God's fabulous creation....we love her very much...Our prayers will be with warriors like you.  Our world will live in peace when we can all profile that we thrive on peace....I hope that for you.  Have fun on the boards....I think we've made our point....Gracie wins.

 

Let her lifesong sing for the world to share...Let our lifesongs sing to God as well.

Conflict is a good thing.  You make it a good thing by using it constructively (that's my argument for it, anyways).  Don't take every criticism as Gracie bashing.  Turn it around and better yourself.

 

I'm just happy that Kiki doesn't depend on Gracie to pay the rent, or in the immortal words of Chris Farley, live in "a van down by the river!"  :)

 
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May 25, 2007, 8:25 pm PDT

Thanks dear

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HAHAHA all I have to say is Kudos for this post. . .
Hehe, thanks sweetie...can't ya tell I was in a testifying mood there? LMAO!!!  Not to mention, Veronica needs a professional make up artist...she looked too plastic...well...I guess I just go back to my line "VERONICA! BARBIE CALLED, SHE WANTS HER PLASTIC BACK!!"
 
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May 26, 2007, 6:45 am PDT

Ripped Apart????

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I don't think that teaching Gracie to go spend a small fortune is a good idea on something that has a very small chance of happening.  It's usually not a good horse to bet on.  It's not a good thing to teach Gracie about blowing money without having a backup plan.  Gracie said it herself " It's the only thing I'm good at".   That's sad.  She needs to have something else to lean on, because acting isn't forever, the older you are, the less work you get. 

 

Even if Kiki/Kurt are divorced, isn't Warren entitled to see his sister?  What about his mom?  Is it fair to spend all this time/money on Gracie, and to hell with everyone else?  There's no connection or family unity here.  Is it healthy to let Gracie eat her weight in sugar because she wants to, or is it healthier to say "no"?  Kiki wouldn't let her do that, so why is she ripping the family apart because Gracie thinks she wants to act?

 

I just want to speak to your assumptive "ripped apart" comment as someone who actually knows a little bit more about the emotional, psychological and spiritual health of my family than you do.  Our family is anything but "ripped apart".  In fact, I would hope you'd be happy to know that our family has been blessed with a good bit of emotional healing as both a direct and indirect result of the experiences we've had over the past year.  Emotional pain comes into everyone's life of which I'm personally aware at times.  For our family, this is not different and divorce is certainly at the top of the list of emotionally disruptive experiences for families.  Fortunately for our family, we are all surrounded by so much love and support in our lives that we've been able to find a path out of the forest of post-divorce issues into the clear plain of possibility and healing.

I'm sure if some of you have noticed, but, it is no longer 1950 and the contemporary American family bears little resemblence to Ward and June Cleaver's house.  Can you not see that in a world where a majority of children in some segments of society never know their fathers and where 60% or so of all marriages in all segments of society end in divorce that your criticisms of a family you know nothing about sound a bit shrill against the backdrop of reality?  Why is it that you'd have so much difficulty accepting the simple truth of what I'm suggesting to you is the case for our family -- that the decision for Kiki and Gracie to take this adventure together has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for us all.  Sure, there are aspects of it that are very difficult of for each us.  At the end of the day, however, I could not imagine the past year going any better than it has for our contemporary American post-divorce family.

 

Of course, we have our challenges remaining to work on as a family and this will always be the case, as I'm sure it is with your family and with everyone's family who reads these message boards.  With God's abundant grace, our humble hearts and a little luck, every single member of our family will be able to do what I'd wish for for you and for everyone -- follow their bliss!

 

I remain amazed when people like you insist that you have some uncanny ability to psychoanalyze perfect strangers with a few snippets of information and lots of wildly inaccurate assumptions.  I certainly don't mind criticism and I find that constructive criticism can be immensely helpful to my life or to anyone's life.  Do you believe that your comments above are intended to be helpful to anyone reading them or to my family?  To me, your comments are trite bromides with no intent other than for you to get to read them back to yourself after they've posted.

 

Every single real concern you've raised here are concerns we've considered very carefully and continue to monitor very carefully.  Our family learned several very important lessons from this experience and we are working to integrate those lessons into our lives for everyone's benefit and most importantly for Warren and Gracie's benefit.  Wouldn't you find it a better use of your own time to turn your finely honed critical lens toward your own life and regardless of how grand a life you currently are experiencing (and I truly hope you have the grandest of lives), to find yet another level of happiness and fulfillment for yourself and for your family?

 

Have a nice Memorial Day weekend as we pause to remember the sacrifice of the all the men and women who were willing to risk or to give their lives for our personal liberty and for our ability to each pursue our own happiness in the way which works for our own unique lives!

 

God Bless!

 

~Warren & Gracie's Dad

 
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May 26, 2007, 4:33 pm PDT

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I had a long discussion with my husband, who agreed with you on pitch and change of keys in Maria's singing and who disagreed with your statement that she can't sing. I also had a long discussion with Dmitri, who has the most amazing pitch recognition, and who is being advised to study conducting in the future as well as prepare for a solo career ( he is a very talented cellist and plays many other instruments, among them piano - he is studying jazz). I'm a concert pianist, with a DMA on hiatus and I've studied composition, theory and Schenker music analysis. Here is our contribution to the discussion about Maria's singing, without passing judgement on whether she will or will not be a vocalist someday - as you will agree, often your voice matters less in recording situations, due to the availability of various audio enhancements.
So purely on pitch - considering that she was singing a capella and that she does not have a trained voice - she stayed pretty much on the right pitch, once she started to sing. Regarding changing the key - to which you and other listeners devoted so much attention - she changed it once! She sang the song in A flat maj. and In the 6th bar of the song, instead of going up an octave to 5/5/5 of the original key (A flat), she went up a maj. 6th and arrived to a D7 of F maj. Now the problem was that she arrived to a new key, but she managed to catch the right note - E flat which was where she should have picked up anyway on the 8th bar - and so she went back right back to A flat major, where she started out. No mistakes on the last note and no key changes except one - on the short turnaround. I give her an "A" for coming back to the original key, without having a perfct pitch and without accompaniment. Professor, would you or your students have figured out, which key she was in, if you were her accompanist? Dmitri would have, but not I, because I'm not lucky enough to possess such a gift. So the girl CAN sing, as one music producer has already ascertained, because he decided on working with her. As far as the your recommendation that we all spend our time in the park, or in the museum, or listening to Vivaldi or other fine music - we do that. We also have a great voice teacher for the boys, because I'm very concerned about yelling and belting - which is the preferred style in many shows - our teacher flat -out refused to teach them to belt, explaining that it could permanently damage the vocal cords. I hope that the readers with the aspiring child - singers are reading this. So I would say that we are not quite as insensitive to listening to coaches as you - or your students - believe.
Larissa
From my prior postings, you should know that I generally convey a positive light where I can. In that spirit, I have read and appreciated your postings. What I am interested to know and fail to see in your numerous messages, is what wisdom you took away from the Dr. Phil experience. I understand that you've been under attack in this forum, which has put you on the defensive, and perhaps you fear feading foddar to the mean-spirited sour-pusses in here, but now that the vultures have moved on to more recent topics, perhaps you'd feel comfortable enough to discuss what you learned and, how, if at all, you have been changed.
 
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May 26, 2007, 4:40 pm PDT

Defensive again...

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I just want to speak to your assumptive "ripped apart" comment as someone who actually knows a little bit more about the emotional, psychological and spiritual health of my family than you do.  Our family is anything but "ripped apart".  In fact, I would hope you'd be happy to know that our family has been blessed with a good bit of emotional healing as both a direct and indirect result of the experiences we've had over the past year.  Emotional pain comes into everyone's life of which I'm personally aware at times.  For our family, this is not different and divorce is certainly at the top of the list of emotionally disruptive experiences for families.  Fortunately for our family, we are all surrounded by so much love and support in our lives that we've been able to find a path out of the forest of post-divorce issues into the clear plain of possibility and healing.

I'm sure if some of you have noticed, but, it is no longer 1950 and the contemporary American family bears little resemblence to Ward and June Cleaver's house.  Can you not see that in a world where a majority of children in some segments of society never know their fathers and where 60% or so of all marriages in all segments of society end in divorce that your criticisms of a family you know nothing about sound a bit shrill against the backdrop of reality?  Why is it that you'd have so much difficulty accepting the simple truth of what I'm suggesting to you is the case for our family -- that the decision for Kiki and Gracie to take this adventure together has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for us all.  Sure, there are aspects of it that are very difficult of for each us.  At the end of the day, however, I could not imagine the past year going any better than it has for our contemporary American post-divorce family.

 

Of course, we have our challenges remaining to work on as a family and this will always be the case, as I'm sure it is with your family and with everyone's family who reads these message boards.  With God's abundant grace, our humble hearts and a little luck, every single member of our family will be able to do what I'd wish for for you and for everyone -- follow their bliss!

 

I remain amazed when people like you insist that you have some uncanny ability to psychoanalyze perfect strangers with a few snippets of information and lots of wildly inaccurate assumptions.  I certainly don't mind criticism and I find that constructive criticism can be immensely helpful to my life or to anyone's life.  Do you believe that your comments above are intended to be helpful to anyone reading them or to my family?  To me, your comments are trite bromides with no intent other than for you to get to read them back to yourself after they've posted.

 

Every single real concern you've raised here are concerns we've considered very carefully and continue to monitor very carefully.  Our family learned several very important lessons from this experience and we are working to integrate those lessons into our lives for everyone's benefit and most importantly for Warren and Gracie's benefit.  Wouldn't you find it a better use of your own time to turn your finely honed critical lens toward your own life and regardless of how grand a life you currently are experiencing (and I truly hope you have the grandest of lives), to find yet another level of happiness and fulfillment for yourself and for your family?

 

Have a nice Memorial Day weekend as we pause to remember the sacrifice of the all the men and women who were willing to risk or to give their lives for our personal liberty and for our ability to each pursue our own happiness in the way which works for our own unique lives!

 

God Bless!

 

Warren & Gracie's Dad

I wonder if the backlash i'm receiving from Gracie's family is all part of a campaign to promote her career.   BTW, you never really addressed any of my probing questions, but presented non-sequitors that have nothing to do with what I posted.  Reading comprehension would really help you out here.

 

There are possible problems and rifts in family dynamics and don't pretend like it doesn't affect your children, because it's transparent to me and many others on this board that it does.  Whenever divorce does occur, there is ALWAYS pain involved and it's inaccurate to speak for your kids and use them as inhuman puppets and products to buy and sell.  That's why youre so defensive and derisive instead of answering my questions completely and gracefully.  It's sad that Gracie has more maturity than you seem to exhibit here.

 

I just find the whole thing rife with self-absorption, recklessness, and sanctimoniousness.  Gracie looks like she would be the type to burn out easily and that could be a very real concern for her.  This is an OPINION as all posts on these boards are, and trying to silence them is unconstitutional and petty.  Food for thought.

 
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May 26, 2007, 6:03 pm PDT

Loved the boys

I enjoyed watching the three shows.  It took me back to the days when my daughters were in San Diego Junior Theatre.  They loved the experience, but we never took it so seriously that we thought they would become "stars".  It did help the shy one to become more self confident, and as well as being in plays, they got to work with the stage group.  All in all, it was a very positive experience for them.  One got to do a summer long travelling show (not living away from home).

I think one of the last things I would have hoped for was for them to be involved with Hollywood.

I hope each of the children who appeared on the show got to have fun, although, it didn't always look like it.

I thought the boys were the most talented, and had the most well rounded education in performing.  They also looked like they were having the most fun.  I would really love to keep up with what they are doing.  Sasha looked like such a cute little imp!  I could see him in many kids movies, like the ones on Disney channel or Nickelodeon.

Best wishes to the other featured children, also.  May they all have happy lives, doing what they do best.
 
 
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