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Topic : 05/22 The True Life of Marcia Brady

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Every teenage girl wanted to be her and every teenage boy wanted to date her. With her signature perfectly brushed long hair, Marcia Brady, of the hit early 1970s TV show The Brady Bunch, epitomized the wholesome American girl. But the true life of Marcia Brady, whose real name is Maureen McCormick, is far from the world of lighthearted blended-family conflicts that played out on the sitcom in which she starred. Today she is embroiled in a family battle where brother is pitted against brother and father against daughter. Maureen believes her brother, Kevin, has literally brainwashed her father to alienate him from Maureen and the rest of her family, including his grandchildren. She comes to Dr. Phil desperate for help to save her family. First up, Maureen confronts her father and brother for the first time in two years, and even Dr. Phil is shocked by the outcome. Then Dr. Phil sits down with Maureen and her brother, Michael, to try and make sense of the conflict. Plus, Maureen's father and brother, Kevin, make some shocking accusations of their own. If this group must somehow form a family, then why was its most famous member issued a restraining order? Talk about the show here.

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May 27, 2007, 5:20 am PDT

So now your the Judge?

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I registered just to post here. After watching the show and seeing these comments, I really only have one thing to say to those who are "reserving judgement" or siding with the brother and father.

Anyone who has lived with or witnessed someone get brainwashed - whether in a cult, as a result of BPD, or as an abuser - would immediately recognize the "bad" brother's behavior. We all want to be "fair" and "see "both sides of the story." But I'm sorry - if you've been through it, it's immediately obvious when you see it happen to others. If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

That man's mannerisms, from the pretended pleas for HER to get help, the laughter, the complete unwillingness to back up any of his vague accusations with specific facts... Accusing her of "panicking..." Trust me, those of us who have been through this kind of thing all shuddered when we saw that. Worst of all, the vague threat - "You'll see." Folks, that's what these people ALWAYS say when THEY are panicking. He was caught off guard and didn't have time to think up a better story.

If he really had any sort of evidence or proof against her, surely he would have used it already... especially in the failed attempt to get a restraining order.

I was very angry when I watched that episode. I am all too familiar with having someone close to you try to make YOU feel as if YOU'RE the one who is crazy. The difference for me was that it was my father and it happened in my own childhood. Imagine being eight and having a parent suddenly decide the sky is orange, and that there's something wrong with you if you insist it's blue. (Obviously I just made that up, but you get the idea.) When you grow up with such a distorted self-perception, it takes a long time to undo the damage.

Although I doubt it will happen, I really hope those two men agree to talk to Dr. Phil. I would really like to see him tear that brother a new one, which is exactly what would happen and exactly why I like Dr. Phil so much.

 I have been through the same with Marsha type super control with the help of the other brother. Listen just so you know there are many outcomes.

 

 Sometimes it looks like A and is B, Sometimes it looks like B and is A, It could be A when it looks like A, it could be B and look like B. It could look like A seem to be B but end up being C..... This goes on and on.

 

Just because you say it is so does not make it so. Just hear the other side. Don't listen to the spin.

 

I bet Dr. Phil's video was used in court. Aiding Marsha without knowing the otherside.

 

 

 
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May 27, 2007, 5:24 am PDT

All your talk no evidence

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For all those who say Dr. Phil needed to hear the other side of the story , and he was taking sides when he offered Maureen help.. HELLLOOO. this is DOCTOR Phil.. he had video tapes, court documents, etc.. even I could see the father/brother duo was SEROUSLY WACKED... Did you watch the show ? The dad and brother laughed and never answered of her simple questions all they said is she needs help when she asked "why what did I do?" they said  "You will find out"..etc.. they are seriously WACKED.. Anyway..... if the dad or brother were normal and really thought she needed help as they claimed.. why were they alienating and yelling at her and not trying to talk or get  her this supposed help? Why? Because they are WACKED. Its sad the brother did this to her poor father. Looks to me like he was jealous of her success. Very sad. Those 2 really need help. Poor Maureen,. My heart goes out to her and I hope she gets to talk to him before he is gone.

Wait till all the evidence is in. That is all we ask.

 

A fair trial.

 

 

 
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May 27, 2007, 1:01 pm PDT

Maureen-I've been there.

My heart goes out to you.  Our family has been nothing but havoc since the passing of my mother almost 2 years ago.  My father went into a depressive state and has now been said to have ahlzheimers. I come from a family of 7 and we were not a close family at all. We kind of pulled together for mom's sake, but there are 2 that decided to reak havoc all for the love of money and control.

 

For 20 years 1 brother and for 10 years 1 sister had nothing to to do with either of our parents.  Mom became ill in September of 2004 and passed away in July of 2005.  The sister that hadn't had any contact with either my mother or father showed up in mom's hospital room the night before her lung surgery. She frightened my mother and made her nervous.  She didn't come around again until she heard that mom was terminal and then she started her plotting.

 

I could go on and on but to make my point, she brainwashed our father that we were all out to steal his money ( he is well off) and put him in a nursing home.  That was the first of many of her lies and the brother who had no contact sided and helped her take control of dad and everything that he has.

 

She convinced our father to go live with her and for 8 months now we have had no contact. He doesn't see any of his 5 other children, grandchildren or his sister whom he use to visit daily.

 

We hired an attorney at our own expense to prevent her from being his guardian and the judge denied us, or I should say me.  Our father even signed a statement that he wanted me to be his guardian and the judge still denied it. He placed her as temporary guardian for 30 days and when she found out she couldn't change anything or touch his money she had him declared competent again. The court investigator only spoke with the 1 brother and 1 sister and didn't even meet with any of his other 5 children.  That was in September of 2006 and I haven't seen my father since. Prior to and for a year after my mother's passing I was at my parents house dailey and sometimes  several times a day.  I did their laundry, bought their food, cooked, and took or accompanied them to all of their doctors appointments. My family and I have went on vacations with my parents for years.  We were very close.

 

Two months after the judge decided our father was competent he signed his home over to the sister and 7 months later she mortgaged his home which was paid for. Her doughter lives in our fathers home.  My father has a love of money and would not have done that if he was in his right mind.

 

Our father is 78 years old and if he does have ahlzheimers then the last years of his life are being spent without his family.  She keeps him at her house and very seldom takes him out in public.  She used to take him to a local diner, but he hasn't been seen there for weeks either. He won't come visit or go out with us and he doesn't call.  Our oldest sister was sent a letter from his/her attorney and said that she wasn't to go to his house or be around any of his immediately family.

 

I'm glad the court ruled in your favor and I hope you are able to re-establish a relationship with both your father and brother.

 

I know what your going through, but you just have to take it one day at a time, that 's what we do.  We just really would like to know how he is and someday he will realize that she the one who lied and brainwashed him and he has a whole family thinking about him.

 

 

 

 

 

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May 27, 2007, 4:38 pm PDT

What we all have to remember

I read with alarm the slide show notes on the Maureen McCormick show.  A hundred years ago, I was privileged to be an acquaintance of Mo's and I dated her brother, Kevin.  While I refuse to kiss and tell, I can say that I am in shock about what is happening within their family.  Mrs. McCormick was indeed the glue that held that familly together and if you doubt that, simply take a look at the mess her passing has left in it's wake.  Mrs. McCormick was a delightful, smiling, sweet woman and Mr. McCormick was someone doted on her. 

 

Somethng that needs to be addressed is that drug use by anyone over an extended period of time creates a waking paranoia.  This doesn't simply apply to illegal drugs, but all mind altering drugs that are consumed over time.  I believe that Kevin and Mo slinging accusations at each other is counterproductive.  They each know what they did: the important thing is to deal with the consequences, and as I said, one component is a waking paranoia.

 

It's important that we all remember that the real tragedy here is that a family that always had issues--issues that were taken care of by Mrs. McCormick until her death--is now having to face years and years and years of problems without her soothing presence.  I doubt very much that legal action of any kind, while necessary in the short run, will do anything to get the family "back together". 

 

I really hope that, whatever the outcome, Mo gets herself into therapy.  Don't worry about Kevin's therapy, since he's a grown-up and can get his own if he needs it.  Mo, sweetie, look after yourself and PLEASE make sure that you look after your husband and daughter.  I'd hate to see their needs get lost in the emotional shuffle of dealing with your dad and brother.

 

Peace, sweetie!

 

 
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May 27, 2007, 7:56 pm PDT

05/22 The True Life of Marcia Brady

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 I have been through the same with Marsha type super control with the help of the other brother. Listen just so you know there are many outcomes.

 

 Sometimes it looks like A and is B, Sometimes it looks like B and is A, It could be A when it looks like A, it could be B and look like B. It could look like A seem to be B but end up being C..... This goes on and on.

 

Just because you say it is so does not make it so. Just hear the other side. Don't listen to the spin.

 

I bet Dr. Phil's video was used in court. Aiding Marsha without knowing the otherside.

 

 

Her name is Maureen
 
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May 27, 2007, 8:05 pm PDT

05/22 The True Life of Marcia Brady

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Could anyone tell me more about what Dr. Phil was saying about isolation in terms of elder abuse?

 

I wish I could have watched more of this show I'm living through a situation that is very much like this one! (I T-Voed it because my four-year-old wanted attention, and then for some reason it didn't copy darn!)

 

Anyway, I have an older brother (whom I used to idolize) he's a very persuasive, manipulative person in fact he's made a lot of money through his ability to mezmerize people.  Long story short, after my mother passed away, my father wound up moving to be in the same city as my brother because my brother was the only one who would enable his alcoholism.  (My brother is also an alcoholic, but not as far as he knows.)

 

Every time our family attempted an intervention, my brother was the weak link in the chain, saying that he was the only one who 'loved my father unconditionally' and allowed him to drink.  (It's absurd, I know my brother has the ability to convince people that up is down and down is up.)  So, an uneasy truce was formed between the two of them each allowing the other to drink.

 

Longer story short, my father ended up buying my brother a very expensive house while he (my dad) went to live in a smaller place.  He used to be able to see through my brother's junk, but, now that he's older, I think he's accepted many of my brother's viewpoints out of convenience.  I didn't speak to my father for two years largely as a result of my older brother's manipulations.

 

Thankfully, I still have contact with my father, and, he recently went to rehab is staying sober through AA.  I can really relate to what Maureen was saying she just wants her father back! I've felt that way, too so many times!

 

It absolutely amazes me the way that my brother has been able to get through life.  The things he does are just so wrong!  And, he'll turn the tables on you in a heartbeat, trying to tell you that you're the one who is mean, you're the one who is crazy, etc. 

 

 

I know what you mean.  My mothers 2 brothers and 2 sisters make me think my caring mother must have been adopted.  How can con artists be raised in the same home as people who torture themselves working all hours to raise their children?  I guess it's probably the same reasons that murderers and paedophiles can come from good homes.  I'm sticking with the "my Mum is adopted theory" : D
 
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May 27, 2007, 11:22 pm PDT

Marcia, not Marsha

While I do not plan on reading every single message posted I have read several pages of them and while I think it great people of different viewpoints can state how they feel, I really get tired of seeing the TV character's name misspelled. The topic says The True Life of Marcia Brady, not The True Life of Marsha Brady. I know they are both pronounced the same, but I think it is a bit disrespectful of the actress to not spell her character's name right. I would prefer she be called by her real name anyway - Maureen. Marcia is make believe. Maureen is not. At this point there may be not be too many new postings as there are more recent shows to comment on, but maybe in the future people posting message could take the time to check the spelling of someone's name first. I am sure if any of you happened to find themselves a guest on the show you would appreciate seeing your name spelled correctly in the resulting postings.

 

 
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May 28, 2007, 8:20 am PDT

The True Life of Marcia Brady

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I am happy to see there are some people who care or even think about others. For the rest, shame on you ! I address this message to those who keep the harshness wheel rolling in this world. If you were Maureen, think how you might feel to get up in front of this world audience and bare your soul. Maybe you need to learn how to be a listener, a more compassionate person instead of doing what you have done your whole life, JUDGE ! And before you may think that this is just mussy Marsha stuff, I don't take sides ! I am just sad that people are so jealous of Maureen that they them selves miss out on  a valuable human experience. Just came home and watch the show, look, listen and learn ! Just leave that judge's hammer out side the door !! 

I agree.  Especially on the term "harshness wheel".  Leave that judgemental "sledge hammer" outside the door until you're really ready to use it on yourself.  I've never heard of a person being a listening, compassionate, friend doing major damage to anyone. 

 

And even if it does occur that someone takes advantage of your kindness,  you can still rest easy in your own skin.  And sleep at night.

 
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May 28, 2007, 8:32 am PDT

Is it posible?

From watching this episode. I was wondering if Maureen's brother isn't a scientologist and has brain washed her father to believe the same garbage he believes. He is obviously not in his right mind. Either one of the men for that matter. Her father just seemed to mimic the brother. He was a puppet.

 
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May 29, 2007, 6:19 am PDT

05/22 The True Life of Marcia Brady

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Thanks, martiriggs, for replying to my post with an argument you've obviously thought out.  Others, such as the person who calls herself "anotherstory," merely attack without any explanation.  That's why I try to steer clear of this message board (and perhaps I'll be told to kiss off once this is posted).

 

My concern is this:  If the woman who had gone to Dr. Phil and said that she thought her brother was brainwashing her father hadn't been Maureen McCormick, attractive star of the treasured TV hit "The Brady Bunch," she probably wouldn't have gotten the time of day, and I seriously doubt that Dr. Phil could have deduced from the video footage that her story holds up and that the brother is a criminal-lunatic.

 

Like I said in my first post on this matter, those two guys in the video look like my pop and me.  (It just so happens that when we go out on a sunny day, we might both be wearing white shirts.)  When they are approached by an emotional Maureen McCormick, they do not seem like the bad guys you sometimes see being confronted by a local TV news crew.  They reacted in a reasonable manner.  Others on this board have pointed out the very things that Dr. Phil said during the show--that they tried to walk away, that they made accusations in return (such as Ms. McCormick's well-documented battle with illegal narcotics), that they laughed at some of the things Ms. McCormick was saying (the biggest laugh came from the father when Ms. McCormick said to him that the men had previously agreed to apologize to her ... for what? even I'd like to know).  Perhaps others have stronger capabilities of perception than I, but I just didn't see evil men in that video.

 

What I did happen to catch is that one person ran up to the other two in public, catching them off guard, with a camera crew in tow, tears flowing, desperation in her voice, making vague, stammering accusations and dramatic pleas.  This same person, I want to remind you, has a documented history with drugs and emotional problems.  She is not completely innocent either, is she?

 

Now, that's just what I collected from viewing this episode.  Those are the most honest perceptions and objective observations I can offer.  Perhaps the two gentlemen in the video are a couple of smooth operators, and perhaps this story is a little more complicated that we yet know.  We haven't even gotten the brother's and the father's sides of the story yet!

 

During the video footage, the brother was insistent on their submitting to a lie detector test (often a bluff made by someone who is lying, so I am suspicious).  If it can be pulled off, I think that'd make for a compelling future broadcast.  And though I've always enjoyed "The Brady Bunch," and I admire Ms. McCormick's beauty very much, I'm going to reserve my judgment about the people she accuses of treacherous crimes until I can get a clearer view.

I picked up from watching the video that something wasn't right with the relationship between the father and son (Kevin) by their behavior.   It wasn't the fact that they were dressed alike with near identical - shirt and sun glasses - it was their behavior of parroting one another - accusing her of "crimes" but not stating the specifics -which she kept asking what those specifics were.  If everything was 'okay' with them - I think they would have had no problem stating what those specifics were - camera or no camera present.  They weren't totally caught off guard - this has been going on for quite some time aparently.   I didn't hear her say to them that they were supposed to appologize to her - what I heard was her telling them that at a previous intervention meeting - they agreed to resolve their differences and that didn't happen.   True, she is not completely innocent either with her drug use - however - she's off the dope, yet I strongly suspect that her brother Kevin is not.  It'll be interesting to see how this works out.  I wish her well.
 
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