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January 29, 2006, 12:27 pm PST

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Hi, 

  

Instead of quoting my reply to you, I replied to my own post!  I hope you will read it as it is a long one. I am having trouble with my posts disappearing after typing - so I typed in a word processor, copied and pasted here.  

  

Will wait to hear back from you - 

Ugh...I'm sorry you're having so much trouble with these message boards.   Believe me, you're not alone! 

  

Anyway, now this is all making a bit more sense to me.  Here's what I'm thinking (with a bit of guesswork thrown in, I guess!).   

  

In some ways, he sounds like a fairly typical early-stage alcoholic.  For example, I think I mentioned before that alcoholics would rather do anything than focus on our addiction, so we start pursuing other things in an attempt to "solve the problem".  Your son is doing this - he's tried everything from CBT therapy to fitness to avoidance of social life!  And while these are not  necessarily "bad" things, they're a poor substitute for treating the underlying problem, which would be the alcoholism. 

  

I was in that same mindset and I managed to put together six years of abstinence between my first and second rehabs.   I was convinced I was handling it on my own.  So I "tested" it -- and a month later I was in full withdrawal and begging for detox.  I went through a 28 day program, where I developed a support group, an aftercare program, and a commitment to attend AA meetings.  I was too scared not to do these things! 

  

And that, I think, could be the problem with your son - he simply isn't scared enough.  And until he gets scared, and he wants sobriety more than anything, nothing  will work -- including AA.   It's a simple concept, but I can guarantee it is also the hardest of all for family members to accept:  You are completely powerless over his disease.    

  

(On this "disease" concept, just in case it confuses you, I've found that it helps sometimes to compare it to juvenile diabetes.  Both diseases are chronic, progressive, incurable, genetic in origin and treatable.  Each has a "quick fix" - for the diabetic, it's the insulin shot.  For the alcoholic, it's abstinence.  But in both cases, "managing" the disease involves much more than this, and includes changes in lifestyle, diet, etc.   A diabetic who only takes the shots but ignores the many problems that can arise from this disease will become very sick.  And the same can be said of an alcoholic - we need to "learn" how to not drink.) 

  

Here's my suggestion.  First of all, you mentioned that you learned about his addiction from a family therapist.  Obviously, I have no way of knowing whether or not this therapist knew what he was talking about (many don't), but I would strongly encourage you to go to an Al Anon meeting - ASAP!  And it's for similar reasons that you want your son to go to AA - you will find amazing support there from people who have lived your life.  You will get ideas and help from those who have come out the other side.  This is all critical, because alcoholism is a family disease.  I grew up with 2 alcoholic parents and I'm still battling some of the residual issues!   Also, your son might be inclined to take some of this more seriously when he sees his parents in a support group.  Forget family "therapy" - it has nothing to do with this.  And Al Anon is free! 

  

As for your son (here I'm doing some bigtime guesswork) it almost sounds as if he's developed a comfort zone in your home.  It's a lot easier to hang with Mom and Dad than make an effort to get out and meet new friends.   Because he's 23, it might help with the socializing if you start pushing him to be more independent.  Are you unconsciously sending signals to him that you like having him home?  If so, and even if it's for his own safety, it may be  indirectly causing more problems than it's solving. 

  

 
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January 29, 2006, 5:01 pm PST

Addiction Support

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Ugh...I'm sorry you're having so much trouble with these message boards.   Believe me, you're not alone! 

  

Anyway, now this is all making a bit more sense to me.  Here's what I'm thinking (with a bit of guesswork thrown in, I guess!).   

  

In some ways, he sounds like a fairly typical early-stage alcoholic.  For example, I think I mentioned before that alcoholics would rather do anything than focus on our addiction, so we start pursuing other things in an attempt to "solve the problem".  Your son is doing this - he's tried everything from CBT therapy to fitness to avoidance of social life!  And while these are not  necessarily "bad" things, they're a poor substitute for treating the underlying problem, which would be the alcoholism. 

  

I was in that same mindset and I managed to put together six years of abstinence between my first and second rehabs.   I was convinced I was handling it on my own.  So I "tested" it -- and a month later I was in full withdrawal and begging for detox.  I went through a 28 day program, where I developed a support group, an aftercare program, and a commitment to attend AA meetings.  I was too scared not to do these things! 

  

And that, I think, could be the problem with your son - he simply isn't scared enough.  And until he gets scared, and he wants sobriety more than anything, nothing  will work -- including AA.   It's a simple concept, but I can guarantee it is also the hardest of all for family members to accept:  You are completely powerless over his disease.    

  

(On this "disease" concept, just in case it confuses you, I've found that it helps sometimes to compare it to juvenile diabetes.  Both diseases are chronic, progressive, incurable, genetic in origin and treatable.  Each has a "quick fix" - for the diabetic, it's the insulin shot.  For the alcoholic, it's abstinence.  But in both cases, "managing" the disease involves much more than this, and includes changes in lifestyle, diet, etc.   A diabetic who only takes the shots but ignores the many problems that can arise from this disease will become very sick.  And the same can be said of an alcoholic - we need to "learn" how to not drink.) 

  

Here's my suggestion.  First of all, you mentioned that you learned about his addiction from a family therapist.  Obviously, I have no way of knowing whether or not this therapist knew what he was talking about (many don't), but I would strongly encourage you to go to an Al Anon meeting - ASAP!  And it's for similar reasons that you want your son to go to AA - you will find amazing support there from people who have lived your life.  You will get ideas and help from those who have come out the other side.  This is all critical, because alcoholism is a family disease.  I grew up with 2 alcoholic parents and I'm still battling some of the residual issues!   Also, your son might be inclined to take some of this more seriously when he sees his parents in a support group.  Forget family "therapy" - it has nothing to do with this.  And Al Anon is free! 

  

As for your son (here I'm doing some bigtime guesswork) it almost sounds as if he's developed a comfort zone in your home.  It's a lot easier to hang with Mom and Dad than make an effort to get out and meet new friends.   Because he's 23, it might help with the socializing if you start pushing him to be more independent.  Are you unconsciously sending signals to him that you like having him home?  If so, and even if it's for his own safety, it may be  indirectly causing more problems than it's solving. 

  

Thanks very much for your input and thanks for sharing your story. You are right on all counts even if some are guesswork :)  

  

I did know at first from the therapist, but he was assessed at two clinics as well - he went in one for a 3-week program, but it didn't work. 

  

The Al-Anon is a good idea - the first time I went, I felt so bad for all the families, that my problems seemed trivial compared to theirs - my husband went to quite a few.  But now I feel like I am sitting on a ticking time bomb. I should go, especially because I don't want to become a co-dependent if things start falling apart. 

  

You are absolutely right about the comfort zone - I honestly don't know whether I send signals.  

  

I don't know if I should be asking you this, but I will anyway, as you seem to have a pretty good idea - do you think the psychological symptoms that my son was exhibiting were due to alcoholism? I think he had confidence issues, and feelings of inadequacy to begin with, but nobody has told me for sure that extreme paranoia and panic attacks are symptoms of his addiction - therapists seem to think it could be both - psychological as well as addiction.  The reason for my question is - if they were purely psychological, he is better from that aspect and, hopefully, those will not recur.  

  

 
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January 29, 2006, 6:39 pm PST

Questions about your drinking behavior

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Thanks everyone for getting involved.  Good advice given to everybody.  It really is about taking control and saying NO MORE.  YOU HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELF TWIN.  I know that and I am taking steps to change.  It is hard, and you can justify everything to suit yourself but at the end of the day you are only fooling yourself.  Why not just try to stop?  Replace the habit with something else.  Food, treats, diet cool drinks, this has helped me to get started.  Then when your head is clear really think about being happy again without being drunk.  It is one day at a time.  Yes you will probably have another drink, but if you keep trying and trying maybe you can get control and then stop.  Just like cigarettes it took me several years to quit but I did.    I have taken Naltrexone for 3 months now and to be honest it has done nothing.  I still had a couple of drinks and felt fine.  Withdrawal is horrible, headaches, shaking, moodiness, I was there, now I struggle to not drink.  I do have a couple every now and then, but I can feel it effecting my head which will lead me to drink more so I stop.  I too am new to this message board, but having a chat helps me.  To the lady whose husband is suffering, there is not much you can do, talk to him openly and honestly, don't bury your head.  Maybe get tough, but it is his choice in the end. 
salesrep - I just came to this site because I am now facing my drinking problem - I searched the entire site on 'binging' and found only this and would appreciate any answers or time that you can give to answer my questions. I have drank for a long time (Dad/Mom/Brother all alcoholics/addicts) - though Mom/Dad always functional. I didn't start drinking until I was about 27 or so. I have been married for two years but with her for about 7 years. My drinking habits have changed in the last 2-3 years as the realization of my drinking almost every night at home was becoming clearer to my wife. I know very well that this is bad and knew I would not do it forever. But because it was bad and I wanted to not argue with my wife I started to hide how much and when I drank at first and then hide the liquor bottles all together and sneak it when I could - typically right before going to bed. That then changed to taking a day off from work about once a month, starting to drink in the morning, then after a nap, going out to the bar to finish getting very drunk. This would happen about once a month. Inbetween times I would not have a drink at all unless we went out for dinner and then I would only have 1 or 2 drinks along with my wife. I would not expect to get drunk and that was fine. I have just found that the bingeing comes about 1-2 times a month. At this time I have to stop the behavior as it is hurting my marriage and I agreed last month that I would stop that behavior. So is this behavior similiar to your problems in the past and what was most effective for you in controlling it? Thank you!
 
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January 30, 2006, 3:15 am PST

Bad Habbits.

I grew up in a large family my parents were musicians so there was always party's and drinking and drugs. And I grew up saying "I'm never gonna drink!,I'm never gonna smoke!" and felt at that stage in my life that i wanted so much more.  

I am now 27 and I am not that determined little girl anymore. I started smoking pot when i was 13 and binge drinking having party's of my own every weekend when my parents were working. 

 And now here i am everyday now waking up with wondering how much smoko ive got or if im not to sick to get drunk again and sometimes i dosent matter if i am sick  I'll drink anyway but without fail ive got to have my pot everyday or who knows what foul mood ill be in. 

And i just cant believe ive let myself get this way.I feel WEAK and HOPELESS. 

Ive been able to give up for short times, and you know, get healthy, meditate, excersice but to tell the truth my life is SOOOO full on at the moment and for the past 10 years its been my way of coping, my little salvation my little escape,I dont want to stop its the only way ive taught myself to deal with stuff. 

 But in reality it has done me or my health No favours and the only person who is gonna stop and notice me is me. Good old ME! so once agian i have to try and put all the bad stuff behind me AGAIN and forgive evryone and myself and move forward, Rise above, Easier said then done . 

 
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January 30, 2006, 12:57 pm PST

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I grew up in a large family my parents were musicians so there was always party's and drinking and drugs. And I grew up saying "I'm never gonna drink!,I'm never gonna smoke!" and felt at that stage in my life that i wanted so much more.  

I am now 27 and I am not that determined little girl anymore. I started smoking pot when i was 13 and binge drinking having party's of my own every weekend when my parents were working. 

 And now here i am everyday now waking up with wondering how much smoko ive got or if im not to sick to get drunk again and sometimes i dosent matter if i am sick  I'll drink anyway but without fail ive got to have my pot everyday or who knows what foul mood ill be in. 

And i just cant believe ive let myself get this way.I feel WEAK and HOPELESS. 

Ive been able to give up for short times, and you know, get healthy, meditate, excersice but to tell the truth my life is SOOOO full on at the moment and for the past 10 years its been my way of coping, my little salvation my little escape,I dont want to stop its the only way ive taught myself to deal with stuff. 

 But in reality it has done me or my health No favours and the only person who is gonna stop and notice me is me. Good old ME! so once agian i have to try and put all the bad stuff behind me AGAIN and forgive evryone and myself and move forward, Rise above, Easier said then done . 

  Hi, Trust me when I tell you I know just how you feel. I am in the same boat and it sucks! I also drink too much everyday. I try and make my self wait until 3 or 4pm so I dont get to tired in the evening . I go to a recovery group and I want to quit but on the other hand I feel like things would not be the same. I am hopeful that someday I will get it together I am tring but not hard enough.Grahammy. 

 
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January 31, 2006, 11:36 am PST

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Thanks very much for your input and thanks for sharing your story. You are right on all counts even if some are guesswork :)  

  

I did know at first from the therapist, but he was assessed at two clinics as well - he went in one for a 3-week program, but it didn't work. 

  

The Al-Anon is a good idea - the first time I went, I felt so bad for all the families, that my problems seemed trivial compared to theirs - my husband went to quite a few.  But now I feel like I am sitting on a ticking time bomb. I should go, especially because I don't want to become a co-dependent if things start falling apart. 

  

You are absolutely right about the comfort zone - I honestly don't know whether I send signals.  

  

I don't know if I should be asking you this, but I will anyway, as you seem to have a pretty good idea - do you think the psychological symptoms that my son was exhibiting were due to alcoholism? I think he had confidence issues, and feelings of inadequacy to begin with, but nobody has told me for sure that extreme paranoia and panic attacks are symptoms of his addiction - therapists seem to think it could be both - psychological as well as addiction.  The reason for my question is - if they were purely psychological, he is better from that aspect and, hopefully, those will not recur.  

  

Hi again.  You asked:  "do you think the psychological symptoms that my son was exhibiting were due to alcoholism? " 

  

Even if I was a psychologist (which I'm not!) I think it would difficult to answer this question.  I do know that there have been studies "linking" alcoholism with certain other biochemically based conditions, like panic disorder.   Also, I don't recall you mentioning what meds he's been prescribed.  Some of them have side effects such as paranoia.   Finally, don't take this the wrong way, but when I hear about "confidence issues" and "impulse control"....I have to wonder if he's not being overdiagnosed and overscrutinized.  We all have these issues, especially when we're young.   

  

I just scanned through your posts, and something is suddenly leaping out at me!  Take this as the usual amount of knowledge combined with guesswork :) 

  

It sounds to me that all of you are operating under a fear-based mindset, based on a vague dread of letting your son live a normal life (I say this with no judgment or criticism, by the way).   You and your hubby don't like worrying about your son, so you help him create a safe environment at home.  The more acclimated he become to this "safe" environment, the more difficult it is for him to socialize with his contemporaries.  It's almost a siege mentality -- everyone hunkers down for the duration.    

  

As Dr. Phil would say, how's this working for you?? :)  Believe me, I understand where all of you are coming from, but this is simply not healthy for any of you.  For example, I had missed the part about your son taking online courses -- I can't see where that is helping any. 

  

Like I said in my last post, I do see indications that your son may be an early stage alcoholic.  But it won't fix the disease by constructing a world for him that rarely exceeds the boundaries of your front door, unless he's going to his part time job.    

  

If it was me, I'd do a couple of things (in addition to hitting an Al Anon meeting, since I know others have reacted the same way you have).  But I would start building achievable goals for him that are geared towards facing the real world.  End the online courses - school is perfect for bonding with contemporaries.  Also, I don't know about his course load, but if it's only a couple of classes a week, he could probably do another part-time job, or expand his current one.  What about hobbies -- does he have any where he could join clubs?  Keep him busy and exposed. 

  

The bad news in all this is that, if he is an alcoholic, the disease will have to play itself out.  Yes, it does expose him to potential risk....but by removing all sources of risk, you're not eliminating the problem, you are merely postponing it.    If he starts taking these steps while still living at home, you'll be much more aware of any problems that arise.  

 
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January 31, 2006, 11:32 pm PST

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MY husaband is an alcoholic,he has been sober for 30 days. He is going to meetings once or twice a week. I think this is great but he is subsituting prescription drugs for alcohol. I can't prove it but I'm sure he is also doing cocaine occasionally. I'm not sure what I should do about it. My sister-inlaw thinks he has what she calls an addictive personality. On top of all of this my 16 year old daughter and myself suffer from depression. Any suggestions?
 
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February 1, 2006, 7:35 am PST

can AA REALLY help an alcoholic crack addict

 we finally got custody of my two stepkids whose mom is a alchololic crack whore.   yes she is a whore, there have been several instances of prostitution from this addiction of hers, one of them included another family member that was apparently a pimp and a crack chef...he evidently was making gourmet crack with kool aid, and $10 was the going rate for his prostitutes.  thank god, he is in prison and hopefully stays there for a long time.  after years of misery living with the antics of their mom, the abuse that my family has suffered at her hands.  I have found alanon and have brought my stepchildren to the program also.  I know alanon can help us...i just am not sure that AA is strong enough for a crack addict.  i dont know anything about this drug other than what i have seen on tv and some personal experiences with crackheads.  i worked in a financial institution years ago and it was robbed twice, both by crackheads needing the money.   I just want to know Alcoholics Anonymous is enough for a crack addict who is also an alcoholic.  My stepkids mother has supposedly been sober now for about 30 days.. I am very skeptical about it and doubtful that anything will really ever change with her. 
 
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Update

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First, thanks for the update!  I'm glad the trip went well. 

  

I do have to disagree with one thing you said, however. 

  

we are still working on things with her, and she has made some progress....i.e. calling my daughter more and things along that line.  

  

It doesn't sound like she's making much progress to me :)  The only true barometer of her progress is whether she's stopped using....calling your daughter doesn't help either one of them all that much (because it runs the risk of drawing your daugher into the circle of misery). 

  

However, I do believe you when you say you won't let it go on too long.  In my opinion, if it starts messing with your daughter's head, or she gets so caught up in it her other friendships suffer (not to mention school and activities) that's when your daughter is paying too high a price for caring. 

  

I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but do please keep us posted.  Now you've got me curious what happens :) 

  

  

Hi Indian, 

  

Sorry it has taken so long for me to update you, but life has been somewhat difficult lately.(long story, not important here) 

  

Anyways, I have just found out that this girl I have been speaking of as of last weekend (I think) has been clean for 10days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  She is very proud of herself, as are my daughter and myself.  Now, what I want to try and make happen is to get her out of her house.......if she can make the committement it will take to stay off the drugs, I would let her come here, and then get her on the right road with professional help for the addiction and the conditions she has been diagnosed with. 

  

Thanks for all your help and input with this.....it has made a huge difference!!!! 

Tammy 

 
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See my Feb. 1, 2006 post!!!

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MY husaband is an alcoholic,he has been sober for 30 days. He is going to meetings once or twice a week. I think this is great but he is subsituting prescription drugs for alcohol. I can't prove it but I'm sure he is also doing cocaine occasionally. I'm not sure what I should do about it. My sister-inlaw thinks he has what she calls an addictive personality. On top of all of this my 16 year old daughter and myself suffer from depression. Any suggestions?
 
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