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December 23, 2005, 8:25 am PST

I've confused you

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Mooshy, I agree with lookin4help.  Please do not minimize his behavior in any way.  What he did both to you and to his daughter is wrong and criminal.  And who knows, there may be others out there that have not reported it, too!  There is no excuse for his behavior; it was wrong...period.   

  

And you are not responsible for his behavior in any way, shape, or form; he is.  Each is responsible for their own thoughts, feelings, actions, behaviors, etc.  He chose to do the wrong thing and now he will be held accountable for it hopefully.  And I would definitely share the info you have with your SIL in whatever way you feel will be most effective, so she can make an informed decision about how to protect her kids.  You are not responsible for whatever she chooses to do with that info, she is.  It is important to realize where you end and others begin. And as you progress in your healing, you will learn about setting boundaries and that will help you to let go of those things over which you have no control.  The only control you truly have is over your own thoughts, feelings, actions, and behaviors.  Other's thoughts, feelings, actions, and behaviors are beyond your control.  So, I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers as you struggle with your decision regarding talking with your SIL.  I hope you have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, too!  Love, Liz (((Mooshy, if OK)))  

 I was trying to express why I thought my sister in law still loved him and why I needed to be gentle with her in dealing with all this.  He isn't allowed to be around children.  He is a registered sex offender.  He's been held all kinds of accountable.  His daughters hate him for destroying his family.   She has to deal with all this and none of it is her fault.  They had been married for 15 years when this happened. 

I'm an almost toxically empathetic person and I absorb all the emotions around me.   I was trying to express what I thought those emotions were in that family.  Of course his horror was the horror of being caught .  I was just saying I could feel all the feelings of everyone involved and they are all bad feelings. 
 
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December 23, 2005, 4:46 pm PST

can I talk with someone I don't want to upset anyone.

How do you deal with being rejected by your family when you were the one who was hurt, was wronged? Has anyone here ever had to deal with thier mother either choosing to do nothing or blaming you for this kind of abuse?
 
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December 23, 2005, 4:55 pm PST

can I talk with someone I don't want to upset anyone.

How do you deal with being rejected by your family when you were the one who was hurt, was wronged? Has anyone here ever had to deal with thier mother either choosing to do nothing or blaming you for this kind of abuse?
 
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December 23, 2005, 6:33 pm PST

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How do you deal with being rejected by your family when you were the one who was hurt, was wronged? Has anyone here ever had to deal with thier mother either choosing to do nothing or blaming you for this kind of abuse?

Yes, I had to make a choice...stay in the sickness, or live 

my life without them. It is not easy, but it was the best 

thing for me to do. If you can set boundaries are 

have a relationship with them, then that works. 

  

My mother was an active participant in my sexual abuse.  

She would bring men home and watch them have sex with me, 

sometimes she would have to hold me down, or hide in 

the closet and watch. 

  

She told me that I just never wanted to see the good in her 

and that I was selfish. I couldn't live like that and then pretend that 

nothing happened the next day. That she did the best she  

could with what she had. 

  

I then had to realize that I couldn't heal and be in that place  

with them anymore. If she couldn't acknowledge what she 

had put me through, then I couldn't let her be a part of mine  

or my children's lives. That was about 18 (?) years ago. 

It was very hard and I went through a kind of mourning, but 

I realized that is was the family I wanted that I was mourning, 

not the family I had. 

  

Sounds like your family is upset at you for trying to better yourself 

and let out the secrets they have kept hidden. Just remember... 

YOU DID NOTHING WRONG!! They are sick and didn't want 

anyone to know, now you know and that is where the problem is, 

it is not you!! 

 
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December 24, 2005, 5:54 am PST

mooshy

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 I was trying to express why I thought my sister in law still loved him and why I needed to be gentle with her in dealing with all this.  He isn't allowed to be around children.  He is a registered sex offender.  He's been held all kinds of accountable.  His daughters hate him for destroying his family.   She has to deal with all this and none of it is her fault.  They had been married for 15 years when this happened. 

I'm an almost toxically empathetic person and I absorb all the emotions around me.   I was trying to express what I thought those emotions were in that family.  Of course his horror was the horror of being caught .  I was just saying I could feel all the feelings of everyone involved and they are all bad feelings. 

I am sorry you go beyond acknowledging and recognizing those bad feelings in your family and that you feel them so deeply.  It is obvious that there is much pain in the family that has been caused by your brother's behavior and actions.  It is unfair that you are carrying that burden of the pain created by him. 

I reacted strongly because my abuser thought I was asleep at first, too.  It was awful and led to awake time abuse, too. 

I am still confused by your sister-in-law's love for this man that destroyed her daughter and family.  However, I do understand why you want to consider her feelings when discussing the past with her.  I wish you luck and please let us know how you handled it and how it went. 

 
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December 24, 2005, 8:05 am PST

Childhood Sexual Abuse

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Yes, I had to make a choice...stay in the sickness, or live 

my life without them. It is not easy, but it was the best 

thing for me to do. If you can set boundaries are 

have a relationship with them, then that works. 

  

My mother was an active participant in my sexual abuse.  

She would bring men home and watch them have sex with me, 

sometimes she would have to hold me down, or hide in 

the closet and watch. 

  

She told me that I just never wanted to see the good in her 

and that I was selfish. I couldn't live like that and then pretend that 

nothing happened the next day. That she did the best she  

could with what she had. 

  

I then had to realize that I couldn't heal and be in that place  

with them anymore. If she couldn't acknowledge what she 

had put me through, then I couldn't let her be a part of mine  

or my children's lives. That was about 18 (?) years ago. 

It was very hard and I went through a kind of mourning, but 

I realized that is was the family I wanted that I was mourning, 

not the family I had. 

  

Sounds like your family is upset at you for trying to better yourself 

and let out the secrets they have kept hidden. Just remember... 

YOU DID NOTHING WRONG!! They are sick and didn't want 

anyone to know, now you know and that is where the problem is, 

it is not you!! 

 This is hard to do when you live in a small town where everyone knows everyone. I especially hate it when people ask "sooo, 'How is your famil"? or "Do you have famly in the area"? All my life I have wanted to move away from here and start over as if they never existed but I have never had the self confindence to do it. Now I regret it more than ever. My oldest dauther lives with my mother to help with her bills etc. We own a buisnesss and rent from guess who , my mother ( I never agreed to this but the hubby did it anyway regaurdless of how I felt because he belived it was the best choice for the family)  When I confided in mom she said that she suspected the issue but just couldn't belive it and then blamed me for it. I ended up being the famil scapegoat with a twist. I took on the adult who keeps the peace -takes care of everyting role while all the while being blamed for everything that goes wrong. I rember Grandma taking me to a dr when i was about 4 maby 5 yrs old and him examining my privates. My mother was in the room. The pst from severe emotional and physical abuse has been hard to deal with. I have no insurance. couceling and medication do not help. I had to rely on county resources which are poor quality. What I want most is to put this all behind me and move on. In spite of everything I do not hate my mother but I am broken and have no where to turn. I am not accepted by hubby's family (they called me white trash)  My brother's family treats me horribly, as if they are ashamed that I exist. I wonder if he was abused also?
 
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December 25, 2005, 1:12 pm PST

Just an afterthought--sorry about what I worte

Didn't mean to upset anyone.  Please forgive me if in anyway I have offended or upset any of you. I think grieving the family that you would like to have had really hits the nail on the head. It is hard to be around toxic people and I seem to catch it from all sides. To be fair my mother does try I guess in her own way but she will never discuss this or come to terms with any of this stuff.  As far as what the inlaws think... I believe that beyond being judged as worthless, rejected without cause... I have grieved that I will not have that loving family relationship I had longed for. It is time to move on and put that away. Maby my expectations of family are not realistic. Maby I'll revamp that. So for now I hold tight to what I do have. I am grateful for loving children and the grace of God. When you have been kicked around for some reason it does seem to draw people who lash out abuse and hurt. If there is a bully in the crowd they will find you everytime But you know what ? I 've had enough of it and I am looking for ways to find empowerment. Dr Phil has said that you teach people how to treat you and if  you allow such treatment it is if you silently agree? ( at least that is what I think he means) I have been thinking this over and tetting it sink in. This means that I have the power to change things. This means I can find a way. I don't just have to sit here and take it. Today I'll be visiting at the MN laws home and I dread it. I know I'll get picked apart. I will use this tactic to see if it works. I'll have her clarify questionable  comment s and put it back on her in  a non threatening manner. This will do 2 things. It will clarify for me if she means what I think or if I'm being defensive--clear communication. This will make her own what she says.  I will glue myself to  my hubby because she will not attack in front of him but if she does try , we'll see how this pans out. If all else fails. We leave. I'm not looking for a show down.  What have ya'll done to build yoursleves up? What has worked or not worked why? What are some tactics you use to deal w people you cannot disassociate from and have to deal with? Due to the severe abuse I have endured, I have not learned how to deal with so many things, rejection being the hardest.  How do you deal with yourself when you have a tough day or see something that triggers a memory you'd rather forget? 

 
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December 26, 2005, 4:16 am PST

Mother Betrayal

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How do you deal with being rejected by your family when you were the one who was hurt, was wronged? Has anyone here ever had to deal with thier mother either choosing to do nothing or blaming you for this kind of abuse?
Yes...I did...It's funny because as a child of 9 or 10 I don't remember ever even thinking of telling my parents as a option. I never thought of telling anyone. My dad was in the ministry and I was more concerned of how it would make him look than my own needs. It was like I already knew what the reaction would be so I dealt with it the best I could. I pushed it aside. The memories, the emotions everything. I never did tell my mom...my sister did. I was horrified to know she found out and I didn't even want to discuss it with her. These were her words to me ( I was in my late 20s) "What HAPPENED to you?" I was shocked she knew. I told her. "Well, he was just messing with you. When I was in high school I went on a date where a boy couldn't keep his hands off me. It's happens to everyone." "Mom, I was 10!" "You don't tell everything you know (my name)!" I had given my testimony my church. She was afraid someone in my church (states away from them) would know Daddy. Mind you, I was still mindful of his reputation...still protecting HIM! I was married so my last name is different. I never told anyone my maiden name, where I grew up, the church name of where this occured (Yes. It occured at CHURCH!), or any information that would lead anyone to anyone else but me. I felt that since the sicko is dead, it didn't need to be said.  Anyway it told my Mom that I didn't mean to hurt her or anyone else. This was my story and I did what I had to do. Many people came forward that day. One woman talked to me about the abuse she suffered at the hands of her own mother. It was worth it. All my Mom could say was "Don't tell your father. It would KILL him!" And she is right. It would. I was contemplating it but decided against it after talking to her. I love my Mom and Dad and even after her betrayal, I decided I could go on and heal without him having to know. She also said she would never be able to step foot in my church. That hurt me because my faith is very important to me. And my parents sharing in that growth is important to me. Like any little girl I want them to be proud of me and who they have helped me become. I am so proud of them. It was hard to see my Mom as human. I always thought of her as being larger than life and wanted nothing more than to be just like her. We are very close. But I have since realized that for my Mom, that was how SHE HAD to deal with it. The pain of realizing she had allowed this man to hurt me was too much. The funny thing is that I don't blame her for the abuse. She was a victim too. He groomed her just like he did me. But I do hold her responsible for her actions after she found out. Looking back at that time in my life I think she knew something was up. She had to have. She may have written it off as my struggles with entering adolescence but she knew. Deep down she knew. I have forgiven her for that however. Not because she deserves it but because for my own peace I wanted to. She is too important to me. I love her too much to let her go. So we don't discuss it. It may never come up again. I have chosen not to be bitter or angry. I will never bring it up to her because that would be a slap in the face to her. I have chosen to love her and forgive. It was the hardest thing I ever went through. Even harder than the abuse. I hope you can find some peace to. I am here to help it I can....Just let me know....
 
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December 26, 2005, 4:30 am PST

Accountability

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Have any of you ever confronted your abuser about the sexual abuse? If so, how was it handled? This opportunity has recently come up for me and I want to take advantage of it. But what does one actually say? I just want to truly resolve this part of my life so that I can move on. Any advice?

No. He died before I could. I confronted him in my mind. Almost a prayer to a dead spirit. Interesting that I said his spirit was dead. It has to be I believe to do this to a child. You have to die spiritually first I think.  

I would say that you handle it as maturely as you can. Call them, arrange a meeting in a place where YOU feel safe.... Take someone with you if you need to. Someone you totally trust and have discussed this with. Someone you feel will agree to support you unconditionally. Then tell them not just what you remember but what THEY did. Give them ownership of their actions. Keep throwing the ball back into their court. Not in an out of control way but as an adult.  Are you an adult? No matter be mature. But allow yourself to get angry and let those feelings show. They need to SEE how they hurt you. Don't let them deny it. Keep it in their face and let them know what you want from them. Acknowledgement? Validity? Respect? An apology? Honesty? You may not get those things. You MUST be prepared for that! Practice with yourself or someone first. Try to imagine how you think it will go. What will they say? What will you say? Add worse case scenarios. What is the worst thing that could happen? What would hurt the most? How will you handle that? Make your intentions clear. You are confronting him for YOUR needs not HIS!  Right? This is about YOU! Not protecting him! Don't tell him anything you don't want to. Don't let him guilt you or intimidate you. Imagine success. How will you feel after? What do you want to accomplish for yourself in doing this? Is it really what you want to do? Are you ready? Be strong! If no one else is...I AM here for you! I will be praying for you! 

 
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December 26, 2005, 4:35 am PST

What to do to empower yourself

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Didn't mean to upset anyone.  Please forgive me if in anyway I have offended or upset any of you. I think grieving the family that you would like to have had really hits the nail on the head. It is hard to be around toxic people and I seem to catch it from all sides. To be fair my mother does try I guess in her own way but she will never discuss this or come to terms with any of this stuff.  As far as what the inlaws think... I believe that beyond being judged as worthless, rejected without cause... I have grieved that I will not have that loving family relationship I had longed for. It is time to move on and put that away. Maby my expectations of family are not realistic. Maby I'll revamp that. So for now I hold tight to what I do have. I am grateful for loving children and the grace of God. When you have been kicked around for some reason it does seem to draw people who lash out abuse and hurt. If there is a bully in the crowd they will find you everytime But you know what ? I 've had enough of it and I am looking for ways to find empowerment. Dr Phil has said that you teach people how to treat you and if  you allow such treatment it is if you silently agree? ( at least that is what I think he means) I have been thinking this over and tetting it sink in. This means that I have the power to change things. This means I can find a way. I don't just have to sit here and take it. Today I'll be visiting at the MN laws home and I dread it. I know I'll get picked apart. I will use this tactic to see if it works. I'll have her clarify questionable  comment s and put it back on her in  a non threatening manner. This will do 2 things. It will clarify for me if she means what I think or if I'm being defensive--clear communication. This will make her own what she says.  I will glue myself to  my hubby because she will not attack in front of him but if she does try , we'll see how this pans out. If all else fails. We leave. I'm not looking for a show down.  What have ya'll done to build yoursleves up? What has worked or not worked why? What are some tactics you use to deal w people you cannot disassociate from and have to deal with? Due to the severe abuse I have endured, I have not learned how to deal with so many things, rejection being the hardest.  How do you deal with yourself when you have a tough day or see something that triggers a memory you'd rather forget? 

Pray. You believe in God? Pray! He is always listening and He is always on YOUR side! Pray!
"Ask and you will receive, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened....." Pray! I will be praying for you too!
 
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