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February 14, 2008, 2:10 pm PST

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I really tried very hard to watch the show Wed. Feb. 13 , 2008.  I could not get through it...too much negativity was being stirred inside me.  My daughter stands by the pedophile, while shunning me, the mother who went after him for his actions against my two younger children, her sister and brother.  So many posting have been ignored, blamed, or not believed...a crime I feel to be worse than the actual abuse, not to minimize THAT, but the betrayal by the people whom we love...who we believe love us.  It was murder for my younger ones when their sister sided with him...I thought I'd die...thank God, we survived.

Love is tested, sometimes, in cruel ways..the prevailing message sent to victims all too often is "DON'T ROCK MY BOAT".  I love you....BUT...and there are so many who have felt the bite of that BUT...

Susan, I wanted to try to hear her, but my vision of the child Heidi, flashed as I saw my younger daughter in her..I wanted to STRANGLE that woman for not getting out of there. 

How selfish are we as a people, when the voice of a child is silenced, and we allow acts like these to continue?...just don't tell...God forbid the neighbors might talk...or we'll be less welcomed at family functions.  Bottom line...if I have to pimp out my children in order to have a full house on holidays, the four of us will celebrate together...My oldest has turned to HIS family, went on to have two children with him...it is of grave concern to me, yet legally, or anyway, if he's hurting them, I cannot do a thing about it.  I'm sure they  have the wonderful holidays I thought we had, until I found out that my younger ones were holding this dark secret...those holidays weren't as great as I'd thought.  I know I'm missing a lot in not seeing my grandchildren, but that would have come at the price of selling out the younger ones...that price was too high.

I have not seen nor had any communication with my oldest in almost 8 years.  I had been trying to contact her for a few of those years, but all attempts were ignored...perhaps it is for the best...I will not lie and say her husband is anything other than a pedophile...if he's in a remission, which I hope he is for the sake of those children, it does not alter what damage he did to my children, it does not make him less of a sexual offender, in spite of the fact that we lacked  enough evidence to meet the burden of proof, compounded by our State's statute of limitations...a conviction was not possible.  Those statutes vary State to State, and they differ from Civil statutes, so very often late reporting cannot  bring justice.  You do also need proof...don't let anyone fool you...the defense attorneys are great at "reasonable doubt" in the "he said, she said " cases...and the victims COULD have been coached! 

Find justice within yourselves, and know you can be happy.  The victim IS, WAS and SHOULD always feel NORMAL.  The experience was not, the pedophile is not, but the victim has no blame. 

Some family members are just too self-centered and will not accept any interruption of their "perfect" lives.It's one of those sad but true facts of life that we all, in some way, must learn to accept .  It does hurt.

 

YOU GO GIRL!!!

 

I applaud you for protecting your children from the Perp.  I know how it hurts when our family members act in ways that seem so contradictory to what we think "should" be... I do know that in abuse the child's mind is totally raped too, and it isn't uncommon for the little girl to  gladly be "daddy's little girl".  Just like when a kidnapping survivor identifies with kidnapper and "falls in love" with them . (called Stockholm syndrome)  As weird as this stuff sounds to some people, to the survivor of abuse the thinking is how they make right a thing that was ever so wrong.  sort of warping of the truth to make appearance to self that there either was not any abuse, or it was minimal.  these are survivor mechanisms.

 

I personally never had that symptomatology, but everyone copes differently. 

if i can make a suggestion is that you focus on the children who do stand by you, and pray

for the one who isn't.  If you get a chance to get to any 12 step meetings dealing with codependency these can relay help you focus on what is important for today and help you let go of the daughter who has shut you out.  (if that is the direction you want to go, the meetings help with any goals in unhealthy relationships.

I recommend CODA  or Al-anon , there is also a program called SIA these are all national free programs and usually have websites with meeting schedules nationwide online.

 

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How selfish are we as a people, when the voice of a child is silenced, and we allow acts like these to continue?...just don't tell...God forbid the neighbors might talk...or we'll be less welcomed at family functions.  Bottom line...if I have to pimp out my children in order to have a full house on holidays, the four of us will celebrate together...My oldest has turned to HIS family, went on to have two children with him...it is of grave concern to me, yet legally, or anyway, if he's hurting them, I cannot do a thing about it.  I'm sure they  have the wonderful holidays I thought we had, until I found out that my younger ones were holding this dark secret...those holidays weren't as great as I'd thought.  I know I'm missing a lot in not seeing my grandchildren, but that would have come at the price of selling out the younger ones...that price was too high"

 

 

 how i wish someone in my family would have stood up to the sob's (yes i had multiple-grandfather , father and "uncle" abuse me from birth - 18)  I asked for help a couple times, no one did anthing except one aunt requested the perp "stop " hurting her IN HER HOUSE, yes she walked in on it -infant in diapers yelled out a horrific scream prompting her to run in room, She later ignored me at 8-10 years  old when i clung to her table and begged they not send me home (afer a week with her n uncle , first adults who never abused me)  she sent me back on plane never said anything to anyone.  Oh and the schools, what a joke, i had black and blue marks head to toe, constantly sent to nurse for them and for sleeping in class, since i had blacked out for lots of abuse i just told them i was clumsy and hurt myself and didnt sleep... i look at my childhood school photos and feel so sad, eyes all puffy and dark circles in kindegarden on...what kid sleeps in a house full of drunnken fighting parents and perps?  school never investigated further, and i know now i had lots of sypmtoms of being sexualy n physicaly abused, the school didnt do anything.

Lots of people looked the other way, some were survivors themselves, like my mom (i found out on her deathbed) , and i strongly suspect my aunt although she denies it...I hope to god there is some education on detecting abuse and protecting the children at the schools, in police forces, and social service fields....one can only hope.

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as per your statements above i concur, and guess what after 2 divorces of my own ( i was incapable of choosing a healthy mate) and thank god 20 years clean and sober, I do not keep my mouth shut as to what happened to me, not that i incessantly speak on it (i only mention truth if they ask) but i do tell truth.

and after 10 years of ignoring my pedophile father, i called him 2 Christmases past, he asked why i didn't call for 10 years and i told him why, He called me a liar and hung up on me, telling other family I'm a liar and sick and now no one talks to me.  (most all are dead except 3...ironic how they die off)

 

It hurts that i was abandoned both in childhood and now in adulthood.  I hate holidays since I'm alone and don't have the Norman Rockwell family memories...

 

on the upside, I got sober 20 years ago, been in therapy for 30 + years , I'm living in the second home i earned and got solo (ha !)  and i do not pick loser abusers anymore for boyfriends or husbands.  The bad boy image has lost all its luster to me... I have a few women friends i love like sisters, i have healthy interactions with people, and steer clear of the emotionally unavailable.  It has taken lots of work, prayers and tears, but no one is hurting me any more- except for me, if i allow myself to look back at what i wish happened.  Just for today I am an honorable woman of dignity, worthy of love and kindness.

 
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February 14, 2008, 7:24 pm PST

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I am a sexual abuse surviver from my stepfather. I am 54 years old now and I still have dreams of him coming after me! How can I stop these dreams?
 
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February 14, 2008, 7:55 pm PST

I'm one of Millions

I too am one of the millions of incest survivors.  Sometimes it seems the women who haven't been abused are in the minority.  With so many survivors, how can decent men not understand how frequently incest happens and how deep are the wounds?  How do these monsters hide among us, their true faces hidden from all save their victims?  My grandfather is dead, but my stepfather and stepbrother are both living.  I don't want to know where they are, and I certainly don't want them to know where I am, but how do I live with the knowledge they are surely doing to some other girl what they did to me?

 

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February 14, 2008, 8:21 pm PST

I wish I could help

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I am a sexual abuse surviver from my stepfather. I am 54 years old now and I still have dreams of him coming after me! How can I stop these dreams?

My father molested me when I was 8. My mom walked in, turned around and walked out. I never had the chance to confront my parents. They died when I was very young. I don't think of them so much any more but sometimes it still hurts. Maybe if we read the book they suggest on this message board it might have some answers. 

 
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February 15, 2008, 5:15 am PST

Childhood Sexual Abuse Support

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Have any of you ever confronted your abuser about the sexual abuse? If so, how was it handled? This opportunity has recently come up for me and I want to take advantage of it. But what does one actually say? I just want to truly resolve this part of my life so that I can move on. Any advice?

I confronted two of my abusers about two years ago.  For more than 30 years I tried to forget, tried to keep the secrets as promised, but the secrets were destroying me. 

About the age of four (uncle # 1) molested me repeatedly while babysitting.  My sister also.  She told.  The uncle was asked to babysit again regardless.

I remember around the age of eight (uncle # 2) was handing out treats.  He didn't give me one.  When I said, "you forgot me" he replied "you're already too fat!"  Within a short time however, he seemed to think my body was okay for self-fulfilling purposes.

I lost my virginity to (uncle # 3) about the age of eleven.  I hadn't yet reached puberty.  I remember the blood on the sheets.  I began puberty after the incest began and for a few years - out of shame and confusion - couldn't tell my mom I was having periods.  I stuffed my underwear with gobs of toilet paper monthly.  Uncle (#3) would often tell me he loved me.  He'd invite me to go hunting with him etc.  He treated me with favor...I was very naieve, very volnerable (lack of nurture and other abuses within the home).  I allowed some things for the sake of feeling loved and accepted.

I lived a life of self-hatred, hating others, guilt, shame and more.  My self-medicating involved several years of bulimia, alcohol and drug abuse etc.  I sought conseling in adult years (no counseling was offered in teen years, even though family members knew something was going on).  At the time rather, I was whipped with a belt, had my hair pulled, called a slut, whore and tramp. 

The uncle who took my virginity would threaten to commit suicide if I ever told.  And a couple of times even pretended to do so when I said "no" by locking himself in the bathroom, allowing me to hear a loud thump (as though he'd just killed himself behind the locked door) and for several minutes afterward (as a teen) I'd panic thinking - if he had really killed himself - it would be all my fault!  He never committed suicide, but I tried to do so twice in my life.  The last time (through overdose of drugs and alcohol), while recovering in the hospital, the doctor said "God definitely has a plan for your life and for you being here.  What you took was enough to kill a horse"  I was only about 110 pounds...I believe the doc is right.

That's bits of the background.

In my twenties I began attending a Bible believing church.  I accepted that Jesus Christ was Lord and Savior of my life.  I began to grow...and am still in a growing process.

My decision to speak to my abusers a couple of years ago stemmed from my concern for others.  Particularly the two (now teenage) daughters of the uncle who took my virginity.  He spends a lot of one-on-one time with each of them - hunting, fishing etc.  I was (and continue to be) haunted by ways he manipulated me with...tactics I believe would work on his own daughters.  He refers to each of them as "his favorite" and when I see these girls, I believe I'm looking at victims of sexual abuse...but I can't prove it.

Before confronting my abusers, I chose to first look at myself.  Hurting people, hurt people...and I'd hurt many people in the past.  I chose to first, contact three people I continued to feel bad about hurting myself (through horrible words or unkind action).  I apologized to them for my offenses toward them.  They forgave. 

I reported my "suspicions" about (uncle # 3) to the child protection agency, sharing my past experience with him, and my suspicions of the present.  They (understandably) explained to me that they need at least two different people to report suspicions to investigate.  They encouraged me to speak to his wife and try to get her to talk to her daughters, ask questions.  I met with her and explained there's been issues of sexual abuse in the family (not only me) and encouraged her to talk with her daughters.  She didn't seem open to that, however she shared with me that one of the daughters came to her one time and shared that "a friend of hers told her that the friends father was sexually abusing her."  I'm convinced this daughter was trying to talk to the mother about her own circumstance...but the mother is difficult to talk with and no further discussion took place.

I asked the uncle to stop and talk with me at my home.  He did.  I shared with him how the things of the past had a severe negative effect on my life in many ways (including my marriage...which has survived now 20 years!)  I asked my uncle if he carried feelings of shame regarding the past. "Yes." He apologized.  I told him I forgive him, but am concerned about anything that might have happened between he and his daughters.  He denies any wrongdoing.  I don't believe it.  My mind is 99% convinced he's lying, and that my suspicions are 100% right.  But there's always that 1% of me that acknowledges I could also be 100% wrong. 

Though the conversation ended well with my uncle, he stopped by the next day (angry, having learned I talked with his wife) and told me I was never to speak about the past again.  He'd told his wife I accused him of f....ng his daughters; and so the wife hates me and refuses to talk to me.  To my knowledge she never spoke to the daughters.  Rather than being able to focus on what I'd talked to her about, her focus is on her hatred of me.  This saddens me.

Later I had an opportunity to talk to one of the daughters alone.  I shared with her that "somewhere I'd heard that a friend of hers was being sexually molested by the father."  My cousing denied knowing such a friend.  (Pretending not to hear her denial) I shared with her that I too was sexually abused and if her friend needed someone to talk to, I was available.  I shared with her that "her friend would likely want to protect her father and would likely be afraid to talk to anyone, but there's a lot of people that would understand and that her protecting him wouldn't really be helping him.  We talked a bit about God, heaven and hell.  I shared with her that if "her friend" confronted the issue, the father might come to repentence, turn from his sin, and grow in grace." 

This has gotten very long...and only scratches the surface.  Please pray for deliverance for all who's lives are devastated by abuse.  I believe, with the grace of God, we can make a difference.

 

God's grace, peace and mercy to you.

 

 
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February 15, 2008, 5:55 am PST

Recommended reading

I've read several books/articles on the topic of sexual abuse.  In my opinion, the best one (I've read several times) is

 

The Wounded Heart (Hope for Adult Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse)

By Dr. Dan B. Allender

 

I highly recomend this book to anyone struggling to move forward with life.

 
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February 15, 2008, 7:41 am PST

Thank you, and I Applaud you

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YOU GO GIRL!!!

 

I applaud you for protecting your children from the Perp.  I know how it hurts when our family members act in ways that seem so contradictory to what we think "should" be... I do know that in abuse the child's mind is totally raped too, and it isn't uncommon for the little girl to  gladly be "daddy's little girl".  Just like when a kidnapping survivor identifies with kidnapper and "falls in love" with them . (called Stockholm syndrome)  As weird as this stuff sounds to some people, to the survivor of abuse the thinking is how they make right a thing that was ever so wrong.  sort of warping of the truth to make appearance to self that there either was not any abuse, or it was minimal.  these are survivor mechanisms.

 

I personally never had that symptomatology, but everyone copes differently. 

if i can make a suggestion is that you focus on the children who do stand by you, and pray

for the one who isn't.  If you get a chance to get to any 12 step meetings dealing with codependency these can relay help you focus on what is important for today and help you let go of the daughter who has shut you out.  (if that is the direction you want to go, the meetings help with any goals in unhealthy relationships.

I recommend CODA  or Al-anon , there is also a program called SIA these are all national free programs and usually have websites with meeting schedules nationwide online.

 

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How selfish are we as a people, when the voice of a child is silenced, and we allow acts like these to continue?...just don't tell...God forbid the neighbors might talk...or we'll be less welcomed at family functions.  Bottom line...if I have to pimp out my children in order to have a full house on holidays, the four of us will celebrate together...My oldest has turned to HIS family, went on to have two children with him...it is of grave concern to me, yet legally, or anyway, if he's hurting them, I cannot do a thing about it.  I'm sure they  have the wonderful holidays I thought we had, until I found out that my younger ones were holding this dark secret...those holidays weren't as great as I'd thought.  I know I'm missing a lot in not seeing my grandchildren, but that would have come at the price of selling out the younger ones...that price was too high"

 

 

 how i wish someone in my family would have stood up to the sob's (yes i had multiple-grandfather , father and "uncle" abuse me from birth - 18)  I asked for help a couple times, no one did anthing except one aunt requested the perp "stop " hurting her IN HER HOUSE, yes she walked in on it -infant in diapers yelled out a horrific scream prompting her to run in room, She later ignored me at 8-10 years  old when i clung to her table and begged they not send me home (afer a week with her n uncle , first adults who never abused me)  she sent me back on plane never said anything to anyone.  Oh and the schools, what a joke, i had black and blue marks head to toe, constantly sent to nurse for them and for sleeping in class, since i had blacked out for lots of abuse i just told them i was clumsy and hurt myself and didnt sleep... i look at my childhood school photos and feel so sad, eyes all puffy and dark circles in kindegarden on...what kid sleeps in a house full of drunnken fighting parents and perps?  school never investigated further, and i know now i had lots of sypmtoms of being sexualy n physicaly abused, the school didnt do anything.

Lots of people looked the other way, some were survivors themselves, like my mom (i found out on her deathbed) , and i strongly suspect my aunt although she denies it...I hope to god there is some education on detecting abuse and protecting the children at the schools, in police forces, and social service fields....one can only hope.

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as per your statements above i concur, and guess what after 2 divorces of my own ( i was incapable of choosing a healthy mate) and thank god 20 years clean and sober, I do not keep my mouth shut as to what happened to me, not that i incessantly speak on it (i only mention truth if they ask) but i do tell truth.

and after 10 years of ignoring my pedophile father, i called him 2 Christmases past, he asked why i didn't call for 10 years and i told him why, He called me a liar and hung up on me, telling other family I'm a liar and sick and now no one talks to me.  (most all are dead except 3...ironic how they die off)

 

It hurts that i was abandoned both in childhood and now in adulthood.  I hate holidays since I'm alone and don't have the Norman Rockwell family memories...

 

on the upside, I got sober 20 years ago, been in therapy for 30 + years , I'm living in the second home i earned and got solo (ha !)  and i do not pick loser abusers anymore for boyfriends or husbands.  The bad boy image has lost all its luster to me... I have a few women friends i love like sisters, i have healthy interactions with people, and steer clear of the emotionally unavailable.  It has taken lots of work, prayers and tears, but no one is hurting me any more- except for me, if i allow myself to look back at what i wish happened.  Just for today I am an honorable woman of dignity, worthy of love and kindness.

I appreciate your kind words to me.  Your advice about the 12 step program is an excellent idea...we DO have a local alonon meetimg on a weekly basis...think I'll begin to attend.  I AM ready, now, to let go of my first born...hard road to have traveled, but I'm realizing it is time to say good-bye to her.  When I hear of people like yourself, so abused, so beaten, I want to cry.  Hey, I'm not perfect, but I really made an effort to be a good mother, to all three of my children...never did they have a black and blue mark on them from me...my son, well, he's a BOY! LOL!  He got his bruises from sports, which I'm happy have been replaced with  a love of literature...a lot safer. 

Your life today sounds like you are truly a survivor...as for the NORMAN ROCKWELL CHRISTMASES...I thought we'd had them...if I'd known then what was going on with my then, future son-in-law...I'd have traded the glamour and glitz for a bar-b-que in the New York winter...

This year was the first since it all came out where I listened to the XMAS music on the radio...decorated for US, with no memory or longing for HER at all...it was quiet, but truly one of the best years we've had...and so peaceful.  I can see where you don't care for holidays...considering their limited number, if you're O.K. for the 355 non-celebratory days, they'll work themselves out...as I believe you have come to see.  I'm so sorry you lived such a painful life, yet happy for you that you are now surrounding yourself with positives!  BRAVO!

Again, thank you for your advice.  I'm going to take it.

 
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February 15, 2008, 10:16 am PST

Hey Surfer Girl

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Hi ya'll!!! (Especially dreamweaver) How have  you been? I hope things are going well. Things have gone totaly crazy since my last post. I keep having flashbacks and nightmares. It's so scarry!!! I was also being sexually harassed by a guy that rode my bus and went to my school. That finally stoped a couple of weeks ago when my school threatened to get the police involved.He was always grabbing me and stroking my arms and stuff like that. Once he took his arm and wraped it arround my throat and drug me down the hall. I couldn't breath cuz A) he half strangled me and B) I was scared.

 

 I had a total breakdown in class last week. My whole body was shaking uncontrolablly. Of course when I tried to talk to my frind and my dad they were both like, " You know, its time for you to get over this already."

 

So thats whats going on now; at the end of last year it was even wackier. I got really suicidal and started cutting myself again. I got so suicidal at school once that I had to call my counselor. She made me an appointment with an inpatient center to  be examed. They wanted to keep me there but my parents and my counselor didn't think it would help. So instead we wen't and bought a safe to put everything sharp and all of the medicnes in the house in. I had to sleep in my parents room for a couple nights then I selp on the couch down stairs for at least a month. I couldn't go in my room cuz its upstairs.

 

So I go to counseling twice a week now to do somthing called DBT. It has helped alot but I've still got a long way to go. I thank God  that I've been able to stop cutting and throwing up.

 

Well I hope to hear from ya'll soon.

SQUEEEEEAK

 

I'm not on my own pc right now - borrowing a friend's computer occasionally at her place until mine is up and online. You've stopped cutting and throwing up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????  That is FANTASTIC!

I'm glad you are going to counselling twice a week.  I am back out of counselling again, with the proviso that I go right back the minute there is a problem. 

luv ya so much  Surfer Girl.  You are a survivor, not a victim, remember that.  You are strong and you can get through this.

In a week or two I will be back regularly.  Hang in there

SQUEEEEEEEAK

 
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February 15, 2008, 10:23 am PST

Childhood Sexual Abuse Support

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 Hi everyone! Been really busy but I just want to check in. Everyone's been on my mind. And I can see we have a new one in here....welcome!  The perpetrator doesn't care if it is male or female. Dreamweaver....I hope that you are now out of there. My heart is on standby until you are. I know the fear of getting found out or getting caught by your spouse. I did it once in the middle of the night. I was so fearfully. He was so close and never knew it. I did go back after three weeks and stayed for about 13 more years. It had to be one of the worst things I have ever done. So think twice before he starts promising this and that. He has not changed now and probably never will . But please be careful hooking up to soon with this other person. You need time to heal inside and out. Take care..Nora
Hi Nora
I'm doing great.  I'm out and safe.  Been out of the shelter and in my own place for about 2 weeks and am happier than I have been for years - if ever.  I left while he was at work and was already in the shelter before he got home.

Im borrowing the use of a friend's net but I'll be up and running in a week or so.

I'm taking it slow and easy and am NOT going back to hubby.  He is already trying to bribe me LOL.  I asked for a few pots and pans from the house.  We have lots in the house and in the trailer.  Instead he went out and bought me a brand new set - the first one I've ever had.

The rest is going slow and easy.
 
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February 15, 2008, 10:35 am PST

Childhood Sexual Abuse Support

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I sure hope everything went OK and you are now safe. Maybe you can check in at the library and let me know how it went. Now it's all about you! I'm so proud of you for stepping out into the unknown and putting yourself first! You deserve it! I know it will be hard after 30 years, but things will get better and you will get stronger. You have overcome so much already! Take care of yourself((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))MB
Hi MB

I'm doing great and am safe as I can get.  I'm in my own place and out of the shelter.  It's still a little bare but progressing.  I'm sleeping on a borrowed air bed LOL.  It's very comfortable.  I'm happier than I have been in years.

I'm out of counselling unless I feel I need to go back.  The men at church stand watch over me since we both still go to church and are both still actively involved.    I get patrols past my classroom regularly and if I am alone in the hall way, it never seems to be for more than a few seconds.  Hubby threw one of his hissy's at church just before Christmas and showed his true colours.  I've had "body guards" ever since LOL.

The gossip at church has started right where we expected: I am a terrible wife, never did anything for him. etc etc etc.  The ones that count know better.   

(((((((((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))
 

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