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Have you ever wanted to talk to your doctor about pressing medical concerns, but were too afraid to speak up? Today, four physicians with four different specialties return to bust medical myths and teach you things you never knew about your body. First up, 45-year-old Pamela has a paralyzing fear of physicians. She was diagnosed with a terminal lung disease six years ago and hasn't set foot in a doctor's office since. Find out what happens when Dr. Phil creates a makeshift exam room backstage! Then, Denise and her husband, Steve, have been trying to get pregnant for three years. Steve says he’s tired of sex being a business deal, but Denise desperately wants a baby. Should she keep trying to conceive or just move on with her life? And, having four kids wreaked havoc on Casey's body, and now she wants cosmetic surgery. Her husband, Jonathan, says a tummy tuck is too expensive, and thinks Casey can get in shape by doing more sit-ups. See Dr. Phil’s surprise for her! Plus, a couple who say their 9- and 15-year-old sons are still not potty trained! Tell us what you think!

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July 14, 2007, 9:20 am PDT

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You should not talk about something you know nothing about!  I have 3 girls and my middle one has the same problem.  She is 6 now and we have been dealing with this for over 3 years.  How dare you call the parents abusive!  You do not know what emotional and physical problems the whole family goes through.  It took 3 years to get a diagnosis on her problem.  Well now that we have it we have to undo what those 3 years have done to her colon.  How can you say that we need a documented physical problem when the doctors take that long to diagnosis the problem.  I would also like to say that the only reason it was ultimately diagnosed was that I was feeling at a dead end and begged my doctor for something, some hope.  He then sent me to a colon specialist.  He finally gave me the diagnosis.  I feel like it will never end.  I am very thankful that we have friends that are very understanding and supportive and not people like you that are so judgmental surrounding our family.
Thank u... we need more ppl to educate themselves instead of judging ppl... some ppl on here should hang there head low in shame... it just kills me reading this because my son prob hears it from ppl too... my son is 7, and he was dignoised with it when he was 3 but the damage it made on his colon is taking a while to fix... and he still gets backed up and we have to keep him on high fiber... and still today he has "accidents"  I hope ur daughter the very best it is  a hard condition expecally when ppl judge it and make fun of it...
 
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July 14, 2007, 9:24 am PDT

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YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THIS YOU COULD REPLY BEFORE YOU SAW THE SHOW!!!!!!

ITS GOOD TO SEE YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT A WOMAN NEEDS TO MAKE SURE SHE DOES NOT HAVE EXTRA SKIN IN HER BELLY (NOT THAT I DON'T FEEL FOR HER) BUT YOU HAVE NO COMPASSION FOR CHILDREN YOU CALL GROWN BOYS I WAS NOT INFORMED AS YOU SEEM TO HAVE BEEN THAT 9 YEARS OLD IS NOW GROWN. I CAN SEE YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD ON STRAIGHT. I JUST HOPE MY SON DOES NOT COME ACROSS YOUR DAUGHTER EITHER. JUST IN CASE SHE HAS YOUR BIG HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U took the words right out of my mouth!!! that is what I was going to write...  her daughter can stay away from my son too... no wonder ppl r judgemental when they have parents like that... I prefer to have child with encopresis and a heart... than a child that has perfect health and no heart....
 

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July 14, 2007, 9:28 am PDT

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I was sorry to see that you and your wife got trashed because you had the courage to come foward with a very challenging and embarassing issue with your boys.  Since I've taken in my niece's three small children over three years ago, I found the critics and the judges coming at me from all angles and this only makes my situation with raising these kids more of a challenge.  Not one of them is living in my shoes but that doesn't stop them from telling me I'm not parenting these kids right or there is something wrong with me.  Dr. Phil didn't really give you the time to portray your whole story, so what the viewers got was just pin hole view of your situation.  I think it left many of us wondering why the boys were not being more pro-active in their own treatment.  Yes, they seem to know they had a problem, but what were they doing to work through it?  My own birth kids started doing their own laundry by the time they were 9 (my son earlier because he was a bed wetter and we felt that he needed to learn to care for his own mess).  My seven year old adopted son wore a pull-up untill he was circumcised two months ago.  He was responcible for changing his pull-up in the morning and cleaning up the wet area.  He didn't always comply, but I still expected this of him and monitored him.  My youngest adopted son had this same issue with bowel control and I was sucessful in getting him to be more pro-active  in age appropriate ways and although I still have to monitor him, we seem to have nipped this issue before it got out of hand.  Maybe if your boys handled their own laundry and were put on a strict bathroom schedule--sign-in/sign-out policy and a check before the flush from a parent--keeping a written account of activity, they might have a better chance of getting control (I find that keeping wipies next to all the toilets works better for cleaning bottoms).  If they are not already cleaning up any messes they leave, they should be--even if you have to go back over them--I make my 7 and 4 years old boys wipe the toilet seat when they pee all over it (then I reclean it!).  I always expect my three to use the bathroom before we go anywhere--I feel silly saying "go potty before you get in the car" everytime before we head out the door, but it pays off.  Maybe it would help to better educate them on how their bodies work--if this hasn't already been done.  My little one has come a long way in a short amount of time. My son gets his "pooping" pills every day (fiber tablets) and now he reminds me if I forget to put them out.  Sometimes I use a small handful of cashues, when he becomes a litle irregular.  I found that the laxatives the doctor suggested seem to make things worse.  I find the diet plays a big role and I don't give him a lot of milk or cheese (which he does love).  Your boys may not metabolize some foods properly and if you haven't sat down with a nuitritionalist yet, that may be of great benefit to them.  We do very little TV and no video games in our house and lots of active play every day--I think this helps too.  All three kids drink water with at least one of their meals every day and I encourage water throughout the day.  These are only meant to be sugestions and not critisms.  I do wish you all the best.  Keep me posted on their progess

 

Been there 

You are right when you say that you only got to see a very small part of what is going on.  The producer that came to the house tried to tell the story in a 90+ second chunk of tape and a 7 minute segment.  How do you put YEARS of frustration into that short of a time frame?  We easily could have taken up the entire hour discussing what we have done and what we have attempted to do over the years.  Here's a fun one, try giving an enema to a kid who is absolutely dead set against it.  It turns into an argument of epic proportions.  Again, their are so many aspects to this story that we just did not get the chance to explain due to time constraints. 

 

We have always explained to the boys that the proper place for this was the toilet and not their pants.  We watched over them and when we saw what we thought might be some sign that they had to go, we would shag them into the nearest bathroom.  At a certain point in their lives they start wanting privacy and obviously you have to respect it.  At that point, we told them, "don't flush because we want to see the proof that you actually went."  Sometimes they complied sometimes not.  When they didn't comply we would call them on it. 

 

We have taken away privileges, TV, computers, video games in response to not going to the bathroom.  We did the yelling and screaming about it but that only made it worse. 

 

The one thing that has seemed to work so far has been getting them to sit down and go just before they take their shower in the morning.  By getting them into that routine, we have had more success than anything else we have tried.  As I stated in an earlier message, these kids are intelligent and polite young boys, not the "retards" that a lot of the posters have been claiming. 

 

The oldest last night mentioned that he came out to this forum and read some of the hateful and spiteful comments from people do not know us.  He was pretty upset with what he read.  I told him to not get too upset about it since they were uninformed about the problem and our situation. 

 

These two, along with my wife are my best friends and my life.  I will do anything that is within my ability to help them solve the troubles they have.  That is a part of what being a parent is all about.  You are there for them when they need you and you put their wants and needs in front of your own. 

 
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July 14, 2007, 9:30 am PDT

totally agree

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UNTIL YOU HAVE A KID WHO HAS THE PROBLEM DON'T TALK. THESE KIDS WHO HAVE THIS PROBLEM DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THEIR BOWELS IT CAN GET ROUGH BUT ITS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO STAY ON. IT SOMETHING THESE KIDS AND MINE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFES.GO TO THE INTERNET AND READ UP ON THE PROBLEM AND MAYBE YOU WILL HAVE A LITTLE MORE KNOWLEDGE AND COMPASSION FOR THESE KIDS INSTEAD OF CUTTING THEM DOWN
thank u... I couldn't have put it any better than that ...
 

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July 14, 2007, 11:18 am PDT

Thanks for the reinforcement!

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I want to address this... my son suffers from encopresis... he was diagnoised when he was 3 he is now 7... it is not the same as a child just having "accidents"... it is a life long change and very hard on everyone in the family... then u have ppl, and I am surpised but what I read here that judge a child for this... I thought kids were mean until I read stuff from this board makign fun of those 2 boys... not only is this hard on those boys body... it is hard on their self-esteem... my son has very low self-esteem and has to go to theropy because of ppl that put him down. My son Kadyn when he was a baby had a smile that would light up a room... we called it the "world famous Kadyn smile," but when it came to potty training him we knew something was wrong when he was always going, we took him in and sure enough that is what he had...

after trying and trying and trying to get this prob taken care of different meds that would make the kid so sick... he had to be hospitlized for 3 days to get the mass removed...

He still has problems with it and he is forever going to be on a high fiber diet, and he has his good dayz and his bad... but it is not a joke or something ppl should laugh at... when ur 7 yr old son tells u he wants to die because no one wants to be by him would u laugh at that... what I would give to see my Kadyn's world famous smile again I havn't seen it since he was 3. my son has wonderful qualities, and encopresis isn't what makes him... him he is a little boy with feelings, and goals...

if u want to learn more about it instead of make fun of ppl with it look it up, u will find that many suffers with encopresis can't feel when they go. and of course the smell is just like a smoker who can't smell the smoke on them. so before u start laughing and looking down on a person for medical problems maybe u should understand it... would u laugh at someone with cancer, is it funny that a person with cancer has no control of it... would u tell a person with cancer don't have cancer no more and it just disappears... I don't mean to offend anyone but I read these statements some of them so mean and off the wall now I know what my son must hear everyday and that made me cry, my son may have encopresis but he is very smart he is going into 2nd grade he scores off the charts in school, he is at a 3rd grade reading, and most of all he is the sweetest boy anyone will ever meet. because he has problems doesn't make him less of a human...

Thank u Dr. Phil in having this on ur show it is becoming more and more of a problem and no one wants to talk about it... I was shocked when I saw it on the show cuz ppl r embrassed to address the problem... but maybe if more ppl learn about it there would be less little kids crying alone in their rooms, and feelin ashamed for something they have no control of.  Thank u...

BRAVO to you!!  You hit the nail right on the head.  I too have shared many tears with my son saying he has no friends and he wished he had never been born.  HOW SAD is that??  This is a confusing issue for the kids and the parents. The solution the Dr. on the show suggested is a very important process and yes we work at it but what  we really hoped to get from the show was how to approach the emotional damage it does to everyone involved!  The kids feel stupid, dumb and alone and the parents are feeling their pain and embarrassment as well as feeling like failed parent s because we can't  "make it go away".  It isn't something we can kiss and make better for them which is a very STRONG parental instinct!  As a parent, dealing with  the self doubt and guilt that creeps in as you think "what did I do wrong" knowing you have tried your very best to get through this.  The anger you feel because going to the bathroom should be so simple and yet we can't understand how our kids can't  or won't do this and the guilt you feel because of the anger you feel.    Keeping those emotions at bay is a difficult but necessary thing because we don't want to knock their self-esteem down any lower.  It is a vicious circle.  On the show it looked like  the excessive laundry was the major problem but that is very insignificant in comparison to the pain we feel for these kids having to deal with family,friends and strangers that just don't understand or tolerate!  I can honestly say that we, along with probably everyone else that is affected by this, would give our right arm to make this just go away!   It isn't something comfortable, pleasant or even socially acceptable but unfortunately there isn't an easy solution and we keep trying our best to  work through something that  causes a lot of pain and takes a lot for energy and effort to work at!
 
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July 14, 2007, 12:21 pm PDT

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I want to address this... my son suffers from encopresis... he was diagnoised when he was 3 he is now 7... it is not the same as a child just having "accidents"... it is a life long change and very hard on everyone in the family... then u have ppl, and I am surpised but what I read here that judge a child for this... I thought kids were mean until I read stuff from this board makign fun of those 2 boys... not only is this hard on those boys body... it is hard on their self-esteem... my son has very low self-esteem and has to go to theropy because of ppl that put him down. My son Kadyn when he was a baby had a smile that would light up a room... we called it the "world famous Kadyn smile," but when it came to potty training him we knew something was wrong when he was always going, we took him in and sure enough that is what he had...

after trying and trying and trying to get this prob taken care of different meds that would make the kid so sick... he had to be hospitlized for 3 days to get the mass removed...

He still has problems with it and he is forever going to be on a high fiber diet, and he has his good dayz and his bad... but it is not a joke or something ppl should laugh at... when ur 7 yr old son tells u he wants to die because no one wants to be by him would u laugh at that... what I would give to see my Kadyn's world famous smile again I havn't seen it since he was 3. my son has wonderful qualities, and encopresis isn't what makes him... him he is a little boy with feelings, and goals...

if u want to learn more about it instead of make fun of ppl with it look it up, u will find that many suffers with encopresis can't feel when they go. and of course the smell is just like a smoker who can't smell the smoke on them. so before u start laughing and looking down on a person for medical problems maybe u should understand it... would u laugh at someone with cancer, is it funny that a person with cancer has no control of it... would u tell a person with cancer don't have cancer no more and it just disappears... I don't mean to offend anyone but I read these statements some of them so mean and off the wall now I know what my son must hear everyday and that made me cry, my son may have encopresis but he is very smart he is going into 2nd grade he scores off the charts in school, he is at a 3rd grade reading, and most of all he is the sweetest boy anyone will ever meet. because he has problems doesn't make him less of a human...

Thank u Dr. Phil in having this on ur show it is becoming more and more of a problem and no one wants to talk about it... I was shocked when I saw it on the show cuz ppl r embrassed to address the problem... but maybe if more ppl learn about it there would be less little kids crying alone in their rooms, and feelin ashamed for something they have no control of.  Thank u...

I just wanted so say God bless you for the comments you made about the show and the topic "Encopresis".  I was so releved to watch the show and find out that I was not the only mother that was dealing with this.  It put my mind at ease and made me feel not so alone.  When I visited the website any saw all the negitive responces about thedisorder, I could not believe my eyes.  I was filled with hurt and anger.  when I ran accross your comment all I could say was "BLESS YOU!"  I know what you and your child go through every day because I go through the same.  And as hard as it is on me, it no comparison to what I it does and is like for my child.  Thanks so very much!
 
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July 14, 2007, 12:22 pm PDT

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I would just like to say that i am one of many Americans that are not afraid of going to the doctor but since I have no health insurance it is near impossible to do so.  I have spent the last 5 weeks with a herpes zoster (also known as SHINGLES) outbreak on my face. When I spoke to my primary doctor about getting something for pain as it had swelled my lips shut and was causing unspeakable pain I was told that he would do nothing for me unless I came in for a pap smear. It really concerns me that maybe doctors are not as "up" on things as they should be. There is no cure for what I have and I have been dealing with it for the last 20 years. I would really like to know when it became more about the money for some doctors than treating a person??? I can watch tv and find out about things like zorvirax, etc.  If I can do so why can't my doctor??? He should know that he is treating a non-curable disease and what it can do to his patience.

I AM afraid of doctors and I have full health care insurance -- those differences aside, I TOTALLY relate to your doctor saying he/she wouldn't help unless you came in for a pap smear -- I am in my 50s and haven't had my legs in the air for a doctor since 1987 -- and no plans to do it again -- and I totally resent that I can't get an appointment with my doctor who collects a fee every month from my insurance without being intimidated about the tests I don't want to have done.

 

I would love to have my plugged ears looked at -- or my sprained ankle -- but I KNOW all I'm going to hear is a lecture about how "I don't want to see you again until you let me do a head to toe exam" -- that's not fair -- I want to be treated for my problems -- isn't that her obligation? It makes me mad even compiling this note.  I'm an educated, professional adult -- how dare she treat me like a child -- yet, it seems to be what doctors do -- they order you around like they are god and you are some kind of child.  So I can only hear out of one ear most of the time and I limp around on a sore ankle -- and the doctor gets paid for bullying me -- LOVE THE HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS -- NOT!

 
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July 14, 2007, 12:29 pm PDT

Thank you!

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I am the mother of the boys that were on the show.  I want to thank everyone for all the support and understanding and to the rest, well, I hope you NEVER have to go through this.  I really do not see myself as a lazy person, overwhelmed yes, lazy no!  What you judgmental people are failing to realize is that Doug and I have the same idea of bathroom protocol as do all of you.  That is what makes this even more frustrating.  We don't understand how they can be this way either but we love them with all our hearts and needed to keep searching to try and resolve the problem.  Going on national TV and talking about this was probably the hardest thing I will ever do but if it was a way to get help and maybe even help others,  we decided to take the chance.  If it was only so simple as making them do the laundry we would have had this fixed years ago.  Been there done that, still do that!  They do clean up the messes but could you honestly say as a mother and keeper of the house, that you could just walk passed it until it was picked up by one of them?  I think you probably are a bit miss-lead about the messes anyway.  What happens is the BM gets dry and will fall out the leg of the pants.  They don't squat in my kitchen and take a dump!  My oldest son took much offense to the "mentally challenged" comment.  It just so happens that he gets mostly A's, all his teachers tell us at conferences that they would want a whole classroom of him because he is so well behaved and polite.  He is on his way to achieving Eagle Scout in the Boy Scouts not an easy task.  My nine year old is also in advanced math and has a vocabulary that is probably more advanced than a lot of you.  They are great kids and I guess I would rather deal with this as embarrassing as it is than have to worry that they are out getting into trouble or making fun of others!  So you tell me how to balance what I know as normal bathroom behavior and trying to keep my children protected from those who don't understand or tolerate?  We have tried many, many things to turn this around.  Let me ask you this, how many of you parents could give enemas to you child as he or she is scared and screaming?  Have you ever had one?  They are not pleasant as an adult imagine being a kid!  You see this affects so many aspects of your life and you will never understand unless you live through it and again, I hope you don't!

I just wanted to say thank you for haveing the courage to bring this topic the the attention of all the viewers!  I could relate to each and every thing you had said. I have been taking my son to the doctor for more than 2 years and they have all said that my sons problem is that he or I are just lazy.  I can say that my chold and I are anything but that!  Before you and your family were on the show I had no Idea what I was going to do.  Now thanks to you and the Doc I know what needs to be done and can finally put a name to the problem.

Thanks so much!

 
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July 14, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

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The day the show aired  I had just returned from an appointment with my pediatrician on this vary issue.  COINCIDENCE???
My 5 year old boy has suffered from constipation since birth!!

After reading ALL the posts I feel so very fortunate to have spent 45 minutes with my Doctor explaining in detail this condition with a treatment plan.
Coupled with the show and reading the positive supportive messages, my tool box is full!!!

Here are a couple of his recommendations that I have not read here on the message boards.

Increasing dietary fiber.  POPCORN!!  It is high in fiber and most kids love it.

He is on a combination of lactulose and sennocot and we are currently waiting the results.

Another thing I was doing wrong.....when he sits on the toilet his feet dangle.
He should have his feet on a hard surface. (stool)
Doc said to me.....lift your legs.....can u imagine being able to poop like that????

I believe we have caught this early enough.  He still has urges but does not (WILL NOT) because of the pain.

I'd also like to add as someone who works with disabled people.  Most of my clients are non verbal.  Constipation with them leads to negative behaviour towards themselves and others.
Constipation can also cause seizure activity with epileptics.

I am grateful to Dr. Phil for shining a light on this issue.
It is so nice to know that we are not alone!!


 
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July 14, 2007, 4:45 pm PDT

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Yes, I was shocked too that the Dr. encouraged the "relaxing" advice that Dr. Phil was trying to push.

 

Infertilty is a disease, and needs medical attention.  Cancer doesn't go away when someone just "relaxes"....usually medical treatment is sought and the patient can recover.

 

Each month, my husband and I try to have a baby.  We've been trying for over 2 1/2 years.  We've had two miscarriages.  Every month that we have a negative test, it's absolutely heartbreaking.  We want to be parents soo badly.  We would be great parents and have such a loving home to provide.  Yes, we know we can adopt, and we've talked about it, but everyone has a right to decide when is the right time for them.  I do the same thing that the woman saidon the show...ovulation kit predictors, trying to time ovulation.  I usually don't test pregnancy until a missed period, but the hope is always there.  I have faith in God that we will get our child.  We now have two angels in heaven watching down on us.  But we just long for the day to hold our baby in our arms. 

 

Unless you've gone through this, you have NO IDEA how it feels.  Each cycle is a renewed sense of hope, and comes crashing down at the end.  Each month is a lot of waiting...waiting two weeks to ovulation, waiting two weeks after ovulation to see if you're pregnant. 

 

Obviously if I've gotten pregnant, and the woman....we did with our crazy obsession intact.  I'm sure we didn't do any more "relaxing" that month than others....

 

 

Thanks for your thoughtful input regarding the unthoughtful advice Dr. Masterson gave. I'm glad to hear there are some sane people like you out there! I am so sorry about your miscarriages. I can only imagine how devastating that was for you and your husband. Keep trying! I hope things work out for you--be it becoming pregnant naturally, through IVF or adoption. Luckily, there are different options nowadays, but, of course, like you said it is all about when the timing of when to choose what path is right for you and your husband.
 
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