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Topic : 07/11 What’s Up, Doc?

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Created on : Thursday, July 05, 2007, 02:34:20 pm
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Have you ever wanted to talk to your doctor about pressing medical concerns, but were too afraid to speak up? Today, four physicians with four different specialties return to bust medical myths and teach you things you never knew about your body. First up, 45-year-old Pamela has a paralyzing fear of physicians. She was diagnosed with a terminal lung disease six years ago and hasn't set foot in a doctor's office since. Find out what happens when Dr. Phil creates a makeshift exam room backstage! Then, Denise and her husband, Steve, have been trying to get pregnant for three years. Steve says he’s tired of sex being a business deal, but Denise desperately wants a baby. Should she keep trying to conceive or just move on with her life? And, having four kids wreaked havoc on Casey's body, and now she wants cosmetic surgery. Her husband, Jonathan, says a tummy tuck is too expensive, and thinks Casey can get in shape by doing more sit-ups. See Dr. Phil’s surprise for her! Plus, a couple who say their 9- and 15-year-old sons are still not potty trained! Tell us what you think!

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July 11, 2007, 9:27 pm PDT

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What is wrong with you people?  Do you really think a 9 and 13 yr old would willingly soil their pants?  This is a medical condition.  Blaming the parents is the wrong train of thought.  They have tried everything they know how to help their boys.  They don't feel the "need" to go and so don't seek the toilet.  HMMM, wonder why so many ads are on TV for Depends, Poise pads, ect.?  Is it because these people aren't "potty trained"???  Must have been their upbringing, right?
Some people are just ignorant about the things they say and the way they react to some things.  If you know nothing about things then maybe people should keep their mouths shut and find out more info and even try to experience the situation and then comment and stop making judgements about abuse and neglect.  There is also a posting about the woman wanting the tummy tuck.  I have worked all my life from the time I was in high school (10th grade) I worked 2 jobs and I joined the military at 17 and I was diagnosed with Lupus in 1998 and I have 2 biological children and 1 step child living with me and I am a stay at home mom now.  I would like to tell that lady that is talking about being in the "REAL WORLD" working is not the same as being home with kids because you have to deal with people you dont like.  GUESS what get a clue lady you dont always like being with your kids and the thing about being in the "REAL WORLD" working is that you can quit being a stay at home mom you cant quit your job.  You are stuck with them whether they are behaving or not and then you dont get days off or vacation time because you take your job with you on vacation and you are over worked and underpaid.  It is not from 9-5 or what ever time schedule you have it is 24/7 because if they get sick in the middle of the night you are on call and if it means spending the night at the ER oh well you dont get the next day off.....GET A CLUE LADY...I have been on both ends of the spectrum.
 
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July 11, 2007, 9:40 pm PDT

Potty Training

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No potty training the kids WHAT????? the kids will need Dr Phil for a long time.  Thank God Dr. Phil is still young enough to give these kids the years of help they will need.  I dont understand why the kids don't do it they are old enough to know to use the restroom.  Don't they go to school??  Other kids are really mean don't they get teased?  This is WAY WRONG!
Thank you for your candidness.  I have been dealing with this problem with my son for his entire life.  He has never controlled his bowels.  I have successfully potty trained 5 other children, one of which was a boy.  The show today gave me encouragement for myself and my son.  He does not like what is going on with his bowels but is trying to correct this with our help of course.  It is very difficult to understand what it is like to help a child that has this condition unless you have dealt with it yourself.  We are definitely not abusive or neglectful toward our son.  I have not treated him any differently than my others when he was going through the potty training years.  I am anxious about trying what the doctor shared on the show today.  Yes my son does get teased at school because other children do not understand what is the real issue behind this condition.  However, his true friends support him and overlook "the smell".  We try to give him as much responsibility for his clean up as possible but strongly encourage him to releave himself in the appropriate manner.  It is a work in progress.  Would that all would have the same concern and reaction to my son's condition as his true friends. 
 
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July 11, 2007, 9:52 pm PDT

07/11 What’s Up, Doc?

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Maybe if you took the time to listen to the show you wouldn't be so judgemental! These kids have a medical issue!!! Do you think any child that is aware of what they can be teased for would do this voluntarily?!!  It is a very embarrasing and misunderstood condition my son who is 13 going on 14 suffers from this and we have tried everything and  now just learn to live with it. They have lost the sensation to go to the bathroom and also just get used to the smell like we get used to our perfumes. Can you smell yourself? This was explained on the show so what I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHY YOU POSTED THIS MESSAGE!
In (slight) defense of the author of the message you quoted, they posted it before this particular show ever aired.  Let us hope that they subsequently watched that segment of the program and now have a newly awakened knowledge that a condition such as encopresis exists and some empathy for those who suffer from it and their caregivers.
 
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July 11, 2007, 10:00 pm PDT

Obessing about becoming pregnant

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its sad that you watched the show and all you got from it was to take a vacation to get pregnant.  that is sooo not what the md was getting at.  she was attempting to help a pt refocus herself on herself, her daughter, and her husband.  instead of focusing everything and all on trying to get pregnant.  she wasn't suggesting she give up her need or dreams.  just that she reevaluate her situation and come at it from another angle.  <<<<<<<<

 

(Oops - I had typed a reply but only the quote showed up -- trying again!  Or maybe I was censored?  Does that happen?)

 

Anyway, what I had intended to reply was what I got out of this was that this woman needed to relax from having the ONLY thing she thought about was becoming pregnant (I mean, how many pregnancy tests a DAY did they say she did?).  She has a husband and little girl to focus on, too.  I think it's a case of focusing only on what she lacks instead of what good in her life she has.  I don't think anyone was inferring that this was her ticket to getting pregant but, on the other hand, all of the tension certainly wasn't doing anyone any good and seemed to be causing harm to her relationship with her husband.

 

 

 
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July 11, 2007, 10:01 pm PDT

Oh My God!!!!!!!

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Its funny you speak of the "mental health of an adult", I wish you had the same compassion when it comes to children with medical issues. Did you not LISTEN???? How DARE you judge anyone with a medical imparity? Maybe if one of your perfect children had a problem even close to this, you'd use a little more compassion. How rude and ignorant of a comment ot make. You should really think of others before you write!! And as a side note, I hope these boys do stay awya from your daughter, no doubt you've taught her the same ignorant attitude.
How dare you talk about those two boys like that. Keep them away from your 12 year old daughter???!!!!! Who do you think you are?!! Obviously you have no idea what it's like to have an imparity. No one is perfect. NOT EVEN YOU!!!! Wake up!!! People have problems and sometimes they can't be fixed. I know you were just saying your opinion but lady you have got some harsh words!!!
 
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July 11, 2007, 10:03 pm PDT

BE THANKFUL FOR WHAT YOU HAVE!!

 

As I watched Denise on the show today,  I was reminded of how badly I wanted a second child.  I was not to the point of obsession about it that Denise is but I longed for a baby girl as I already had a son.  He was fourteen years of age before that dream became a reality for me.  What did I do?  First of all, I decided to quit work and get rid of some stress in my life.  Next,  I prayed that God's will would be done and I stopped worrying about it.  It happened almost immediately.

Denise has a nice family now and she should wake up and start enjoying her family and her life as it is and not be so troubling to her husband about this.  She is fortunate to have the one child.

My daughter has been married fifteen years and trying to get pregnant for most of those years by having artificial insemination two times and taking special vitamins, etc. She has not gone for invitro yet because she does not wish to have multiple births.   So maybe Denise should realize that at least she was given one child - there are millions of couples who never achieve that.

 

 
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July 11, 2007, 10:32 pm PDT

Potty training

It's very reasuring to know that there is a medical term for a condition my adopted son has suffered from.  I had tried talking to his docter about this and the advice I got was give him a laxative and sometimes it takes longer for boys to get fully potty trained.  Well, the laxative almost made it worse--he "pooped" on a regular basis, but it was often running and messy and harder for him to control.  Family members seem to believe that I was going over board on getting evaluations for all three of my adopted kids and felt they all presented in normal ranges for their ages, so all I got from some of them was I was making too big of a deal about it and he would outgrow it.  His physical therapist had commented that because he is hyperflexible that this can cause a delay in nerve impluses getting to the brain and that maybe this was the reason he was soling himself and it might be a matter of retraining the brain to better understand the bowel messages.  After a year of frustration, I stopped the laxatives and now I give my son two fiber tablets per day and lots of fruit and veges and water with every meal and I keep him active with lots of exercise--biking, swimming etc...  At first I watched him very closely and told him when he needed to go potty--mostly right after each meal or if I noticed he made a "toot".  I would often hear "Mom I pooped," it really helped us both for me to closely moniter his bowel activity.  When he seemed to miss a day, I would up the fiber and eleminate dairy products from his meals until he made a "poop" for me.  I strickly followed this routine for about six months and following this routine has made a world of difference and now he no longer notifies me, and I allow him to make his own judgement of when he has to go.  Although I'm not trained as a doctor, I was excited to hear the steps I intuitively took to help him, turned out to be the exact steps he needed to have in place to help with his issue and has kept this from going on into years of frustration for the both of us.  This has been a boost of my confidence in knowing how to address his special needs as well as the special needs of his siblings who are also drug and alcohol affected.  Don't be too hard on these parents--maybe they did allow this issue to go on for too long without properly addressing it, but we don't live in their shoes and we don't know how their doctors were addressing the issue with them.  It's easier to quickly judge and criticize, then to be willing try to fully understand the circumstances.

 

Thank you Thank you Thank you Dr. Phil for bring this issue to the publics attention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I know that there are other parents struggling with this and it will be reassuring for them that there is a simple treatment--I only wish I had heard about it a year ago before the frustration set in.

 

(As a single mom of two adult children, I adopted a young sibling group a year ago after I had fostered them for 2 1/2 years and it would be great to see a show address the issues adoptive families face in raising other people"s children--relative or fostered adoptions.  The kids are great, their issues are overwhelming and frustrating at times, good support is hard to come by, people can be cruel and not always willing to understand the choices we adoptive parents make or the needs of these kids, the sacrifices are huge and the experience is life changing and no I'm not a saint, I'm just a normal person who stepped in to keep three siblings together in our family.)

 
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July 11, 2007, 10:34 pm PDT

Response to Ignorant People

I actually registered for the first time so I could leave a message to the people who are so ignorant and judgmental of the boys who suffer from encopesis.  Thankfully by the time I returned to the website there were several intelligent and compassionate adults that had responded to these horrible remarks..I can only imagine how YOUR children treat others if you set the example of tolerance and compassion for them...how sad!  Hopefully none of you ever have to deal first hand with this problem (which IS a disorder, NOT laziness or lack of intelligence)...I hate to think how you would treat someone with this heartbreaking disorder... with ridicule and punishment?  And to actually BLAME the parents..or suggest abusiveness...I have to echo what  another  contributor wrote: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????
 
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July 11, 2007, 10:38 pm PDT

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING

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I don't feel sorry for the parents. It is their fault that these children are like this. These boys have been abused in some form. Either physical or mental. How awful for these children.
MY SON JUST TURNED 10 AND HE ALSO SUFFERS FROM THIS. I LOVE MY SON VERY MUCH. MY CHILDREN ARE MY WORLD I TRIED FOR YEARS TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HIM. I TOOK HIM TO SEVERAL DOCTORS. NONE COULD HELP ME.THEY DID NOT EVEN SEND HIM TO A SPECIALEST.  I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO FIND A SPECIALIST IN THIS AREA. I HAVE EVEN QUIT MY JOB SO I CAN DEVOTE ALL MY TIME TO MY SON TO HELP FIX THIS AND THE POSSABILITY THAT HE MAY HAVE DYSLEXIA. HOW DARE YOU JUDGE PEOPLE FOR COMMING OUT IN THE OPEN TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING MOST PEOPLE JUST HIDE. MY SON IS A VERY SWEET CHILD AND ONLY HAS ONE GOOD FRIEND AT SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THIS AND CAN NOT EVEN SPEND THE NIGHT WITH ANY ANYONE BECAUSE OF THIS. THERE WAS EVEN ONE LITTLE GIRL WHO SPIT ON HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS AT SCHOOL BECAUSE SHE SAID HE SMELLED. I HAVE NEVER ABUSED MY CHILDREN IN ANY WAY.  I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO IS OLDER AND SHE POTTY TRAINED JUST RIGHT. SHE SEAMS TO NOT HAVE ANY MEDICAL PROBLEMS BUT MY SON SEAMS TO HAVE HAD A LOT AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK THIS IS A MEDICAL ISSUE. BUT I GUESS YOU ARE SO SMART YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE DOCTORS WHO SPOKE ABOUT THIS ON THE SHOW TODAY. GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!
 
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July 11, 2007, 10:38 pm PDT

07/11 What’s Up, Doc?

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It must be nice to be so lucky to have never encounterd any such problem in your life with children or family members.  I am crying to read comments like yours.  I have a 5 year old daughter who has this same problem.  We have been working with a doctor on it since she has been 3 years old.  It has seen her hospitalized and with regular bi-weekly doctors appointments.  She is bright, charming, happy and caring.  She has met and exceeded all milestones for her age, she reads, spells, adds, subtracts there are no problems with her intellectual ability.  This September she will enter Kindergarten I am scared beyond my wildest dreams.  I don't want this to change her she is so wonderful and pleasant.  People who are fortunate enough to get through life with out dealing with a problem like this need to find kindness and caring for these individuals,  these kids don't want it this way.  My little girl cries all the time asking why this happens to her.  She feels shame and distress.  No one works harder at getting things right than she does at fixing this.  But because with progress medications get adjusted and changed it is a forward backward progress.  As an adult I understand this, but as a child she struggles with the backward steps that make her think it will never end. 

People need to be compassionate and when it feels hard to be compassionate  about a situation then maybe it is time to educate your self.  You will find out that this medical condition is more common that you imagined.  We parents struggle to protect our children from people like you, we attend every field trip, we make trips to day camp several times, we keep our kids out of camps and lessons.  All kinds of things to try to maintain their self respect and self esteem. 

 

For all the parents that are going through the same thing as our family, keep going, keep strong the end will come.  It is a matter of staying the course and never giving up.  Where I live in Canada there is a clinic dedicated to this problem alone as well as a psychologist who deals with only these kids, you should look in your area and see if maybe you have the same thing.  I saw many doctors who didn't know much about this at all, then I got lucky and we have been making progress ever since.  My best to you all!!!!

I can understand your anxiety about your little girl starting Kindergarten.  I had the same feeling with my son knowing he would not use the toilet at school.  We made the school nurse aware of this and she offered to have us store changes of clothing, pull-ups and wipes in her office.  My son always had the opportunity to go to her office and use the private bathroom there if he felt an urge.  Both fortunately and unfortunately (since it feeds into the orginal problem), he never had an accident at school through this past school year (fourth grade).  I had him wear the pull-ups to school, but he kept those dry and was doing #1 in the restroom like his peers.  By 2nd (I think) grade, he was too self-conscious to be willing to wear the pull-ups because he was afraid his friends would know.  Even though pull-ups cost more (since not reuseable) and are in no way environmentally sound, it was still more cost-effective to use them than to throw away stained underwear (a pair of underpants is much more costly than a pull-up if you use it only once, and also contributes to landfill -- I am usually able to deal with laundering them, but sometimes my husband will just say "throw them out and buy new ones.")  If you're fortunate, the school nurse will work with you on this.  We couldn't have been the only ones since so many others kept at least one change of clothing at school, though probably more for wetting accidents (I recall having two wetting accidents myself when I was in first grade because I was afraid of their toilets, which were very different from what we had at home, and my daughter also had a few wetting accidents in her first grade which turned out to be due to a bladder infection).  Patience, understanding and compassion will get you through almost anything!  (And for those times when patience wears thin, hopefully you can find someone who understands to vent to!)

 

For those of you going through this with a larger child, I can recommend the use of those "Good-Nights" type disposable underwear, which are made for larger children than the pull-ups are, though if your child gets "lazy" while wearing them and decides they can also relieve "#1" in them, they really won't hold all that much liquid.  Also, if your child can be diagnosed as having a disability (I'm not sure if encopresis alone would qualify), you might be able to get some financial assistance with the cost of these.  Just have to keep working on the real problem all the time and not count on these as a crutch forever, though.  I am really working hard on weaning my son (age 10) off the use of these for when he feels the need to have a BM (of course, feeling the need is a step in the right direction).

 
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