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Have you ever wanted to talk to your doctor about pressing medical concerns, but were too afraid to speak up? Today, four physicians with four different specialties return to bust medical myths and teach you things you never knew about your body. First up, 45-year-old Pamela has a paralyzing fear of physicians. She was diagnosed with a terminal lung disease six years ago and hasn't set foot in a doctor's office since. Find out what happens when Dr. Phil creates a makeshift exam room backstage! Then, Denise and her husband, Steve, have been trying to get pregnant for three years. Steve says he’s tired of sex being a business deal, but Denise desperately wants a baby. Should she keep trying to conceive or just move on with her life? And, having four kids wreaked havoc on Casey's body, and now she wants cosmetic surgery. Her husband, Jonathan, says a tummy tuck is too expensive, and thinks Casey can get in shape by doing more sit-ups. See Dr. Phil’s surprise for her! Plus, a couple who say their 9- and 15-year-old sons are still not potty trained! Tell us what you think!

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July 12, 2007, 8:25 am PDT

07/11 What’s Up, Doc?

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I am glad you're not a teacher at our school!  I am a former teacher and mom of four boys.  I have taken my oldest son to the doctor for this issue since age three.  As a teacher haven't you learned yet that everyone, and their bodies, are different and have different responses to things!!!!????!!!!!  My seven year old is a brown belt in taekwondo and has ADHD- Sorry-no extended video game or TV time for him!  We have tried everything-including him washing out his underwear in the toilet.  Your colleagues and principal should read your message!  SHAME ON YOU!
 Sounds right to me. The teacher hit it dead on. She, like me, believes that action and not excuse and acceptance is the key. If the children are smart enough to feed themselves, play complex video games etc they should be able to not soil themselves.
 
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July 12, 2007, 8:31 am PDT

Thank You!

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I'm the mom of a child who is as severely affected as the child described at the beginning of the show.  While her medical condition is due to a chromosome abnormality, the limitations in her life are very similar.  She is nearly seven years old and when she was three I asked her geneticist about the possibility of some sort of procedure to prevent her from maturing and going thru puberty.  While he agreed with my rationale, he said there was no court in the land that would let me do that.  So, here we are....if she lives long enough, we will be lifting, carrying, bathing, diapering and dressing an adult baby.  How is that a good scenario for anyone?  I have a horrible family history of painful endometriosis, but if she can't talk, how is  she going to be able to tell me there is a problem?  If she were to have ovarian cysts, how will we know?  What do we do when she is grown and her daddy can't take her into the bathroom to change her diaper anymore because she can't go into the men's room and he can't go into the women's room? 

 

I understand that there are a lot of people out there that have strong feelings against the decisions this family made, but to equate it to "cutting off my son's penis" is completely ignorant and unfair.  Walk a mile in my shoes.  I'm a firm believer that every doctor who is going to deal with children like mine should spend a week as their primary caregiver and see what life is really like when you haven't slept for two years because your child's brain won't let them sleep, or you can't go out together as a family because one of your kids will "humpty dumpty" on you.  There is no such thing as a family outing in my house and as my Chloe gets older, it will only get worse. 

 

Just stop and think about walking a mile in the other person's shoes before you take a hard line on one side or the other. 

I posted a message yesterday, but it never appeared??

I was sitting here watching the show in tears because of this Dr.'s ignorant and insensitive comments and attitude. Pocket Pal??? Are you kidding?

I really felt like I needed to comment to you because I have a 5 year old disabled little girl named Chloe. She has hyrocephalus, cerebral palsy, cordically blind, tube fed, and is about on a 3-4 month old mental age.  She is completly dependent and can do NOTHING for herself.  I really don't think people can comprehend the challenges we are presented with every day....Lifting, bathing, dressing, and transporting.  Chloe is only 5 and weighs close to 50 pounds, and getting bigger every day.

And these are issues that me and my husband deal with on a daily basis. Now I am feeling nervous and scared about even mentioning this "Ashley Treatment"  to one of her doctors, because of the reaction I may get. I applaud ASHLEY'S parents, they were brave and did the best they could for their SPECIAL ANGEL. Chloe is my world, my whole life revolves around her and her needs. And I wouldn't change that for anything......

But I do believe Dr. Masterson owes all of us an apology...maybe she would like to get a glypse in the day of the life of one of us, walk in my shoes for I day. Maybe she would like to make the decisions and sacrifices we make all the time. Then let her say who is selfish and only trying to make their own life convient.

 

Stacey, LA

 
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July 12, 2007, 8:35 am PDT

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i hate to say this but it is sad that those parents did that...i am in a chair...i have more family in chairs i would hate to think my family would do that to me...or that any family would do that.
it's not just being physically disabled that's causing them to make this decision. this young girl will never be able to interact with anyone beyond a 3 month old capability. for many of the families i worked with, the week at camp was more a vacation for the parents than it was for the child at camp.
 
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July 12, 2007, 8:38 am PDT

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I agree with the statements about understanding the problem and we should all put ourselves in this family's shoes. No one knows what it's like to have this issue unless you do. HOWEVER, make the children responsible. We are living in a society where the parents quickly jump in and take the blame - when the children do anything that is abnormal or wrong. WHY won't anyone put any of the responsibility of these children for this terrible issue. It's not a syndrome, it's a problem that can be resolved, but not by the parents. They know how to use a toilet. The kids must want to do it and should be made a part of the solution. Like I said before, make them do their laundry and I bet it comes to a screeching halt!
FYI-Two of my boys with this issue HAVE cleaned themselves up, washed out their clothes and lost many,many priveleges.  We have visited different doctors,counselors and tried different medications.  Everything is not always that EASY!
 
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July 12, 2007, 8:38 am PDT

I agree

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Sorry, we have been living with this with my 11 yr old stepson and he is in gifted and talented classes. We have spent thousands of dollars between pediatricians and psychologists/psychiatrists. We have used the good behavior-reward system as well as the bad behavior-punishment system. Yes, we have tried taking everything (material things) away from him as punishment. Yes, we make him clean himself and his laundry. The kids tease him at school and at home. He has 4 siblings that do not have this problem. We cannot go anywhere with the kid, nor do people want to come here. Yes, we do find pieces of it around our house and are completely grossed out by it, kick, holler and scream...but it doesn't bother him. I think it's to the point where this is normal to him so he doesn't understand why we freak out about it. We have tried the laxative, fiber diet, enemas, exercise, plenty of water, going sit on the toilet at regular times each day...we don't know what else to do. It has even caused major marital problems between my hub and I because we have full custody of this child. Imagine having to deal with this everyday and everynight with a child that is not biologically yours. You should not judge these kids or the parents until you have lived through it. Do you really think these parents have not tried different things? Do you think they enjoy living this way?
I totally agree-do NOT judge the kids or the parents unless you have been through the same thing.
I have 2 boys that suffer with this.
My oldest was not diagnosed until he was 11yrs old-it took along time of me getting 2nd, 3rd ,4th opinions from medical professionals.
My youngest boy was diagnosed quickly.
Both of my boys are smart, very athletic, and are friendly. There is/was nothing wrong with their diets, or any issues with their toilet training.
It is a medical problem that needs to be recognized.(and it is slowly being easier to diagnose)

 
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July 12, 2007, 8:44 am PDT

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Quote From: balthezaar

 Sounds right to me. The teacher hit it dead on. She, like me, believes that action and not excuse and acceptance is the key. If the children are smart enough to feed themselves, play complex video games etc they should be able to not soil themselves.
So it must be a MEDICAL issue!!!!
 
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July 12, 2007, 9:22 am PDT

look here now

Quote From: abjc1234

If those kids can sit there and play a video game they should know if they have soiled on them selves and smell and all something is not right and to let it stay on them no no no.
If it was read what i wrote i was refering to the 2 kids on the show which they where shown playing video games and saying they don't smell any thing but I know they have to feel it . I was not putting down anyone nor saying alot of kids have that problem but to me those parents let it get to far if they new this way back then why not get the help why wait until they are in there teen years. I do feel sorry for people who have this problems with there kids and if i had or ever will have this problem i will deal with it and get the help for them. No harsh words just speaking on what i saw on the show not anyone else kids thanks
 
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July 12, 2007, 9:27 am PDT

I feel for you.

Quote From: sboerner

I posted a message yesterday, but it never appeared??

I was sitting here watching the show in tears because of this Dr.'s ignorant and insensitive comments and attitude. Pocket Pal??? Are you kidding?

I really felt like I needed to comment to you because I have a 5 year old disabled little girl named Chloe. She has hyrocephalus, cerebral palsy, cordically blind, tube fed, and is about on a 3-4 month old mental age.  She is completly dependent and can do NOTHING for herself.  I really don't think people can comprehend the challenges we are presented with every day....Lifting, bathing, dressing, and transporting.  Chloe is only 5 and weighs close to 50 pounds, and getting bigger every day.

And these are issues that me and my husband deal with on a daily basis. Now I am feeling nervous and scared about even mentioning this "Ashley Treatment"  to one of her doctors, because of the reaction I may get. I applaud ASHLEY'S parents, they were brave and did the best they could for their SPECIAL ANGEL. Chloe is my world, my whole life revolves around her and her needs. And I wouldn't change that for anything......

But I do believe Dr. Masterson owes all of us an apology...maybe she would like to get a glypse in the day of the life of one of us, walk in my shoes for I day. Maybe she would like to make the decisions and sacrifices we make all the time. Then let her say who is selfish and only trying to make their own life convient.

 

Stacey, LA

I have never been in your situation at all,but I totally disagreed with the Dr.'s comments. She said she would "climb over mountains to take care of her son".I think it's easy to make those types of comments when you've never been in those shoes. I assume her son is normal. If you want to ask about the "Ashley Treatment" then ask. Ask until you can find a doctor who will help you. It's nothing to be ashamed of.(IMO) To me it's just finding a way to be able to take care of your child as long as you can without having to institutionalize them. I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with it.
 
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July 12, 2007, 9:33 am PDT

if you don't know what your talking about don't talk

Quote From: kendra1820

I don't feel sorry for the parents. It is their fault that these children are like this. These boys have been abused in some form. Either physical or mental. How awful for these children.
it is terrible that you are saying things that you don't know what your talking about.  i didn't see the show but was told by my sister to pull up the site and read it as it is what my son has.  we are a very well off family and i have three buitify children age 12, 6+5 and when my dad died two years ago this lack of pooping started with my 6 year old then 4 and is still going on today.  we have been to the specialist and nothing works.  he was normal with pooping everyday and now went for weeks without pooping and blew up like an ethopian and now still has these staining problems all because my father (his best friend) died.  and now you are blaming me for this??? don't you think that i want this fixed also.  not to mention having my dad back!
 
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July 12, 2007, 9:48 am PDT

07/11 What’s Up, Doc?

Quote From: momfourboy

I am glad you're not a teacher at our school!  I am a former teacher and mom of four boys.  I have taken my oldest son to the doctor for this issue since age three.  As a teacher haven't you learned yet that everyone, and their bodies, are different and have different responses to things!!!!????!!!!!  My seven year old is a brown belt in taekwondo and has ADHD- Sorry-no extended video game or TV time for him!  We have tried everything-including him washing out his underwear in the toilet.  Your colleagues and principal should read your message!  SHAME ON YOU!

it is terrible that you are saying things that you don't know what your talking about.  i didn't see the show but was told by my sister to pull up the site and read it as it is what my son has.  we are a very well off family and i have three buitify children age 12, 6+5 and when my dad died two years ago this lack of pooping started with my 6 year old then 4 and is still going on today.  we have been to the specialist and nothing works.  he was normal with pooping everyday and now went for weeks without pooping and blew up like an ethopian and now still has these staining problems all because my father (his best friend) died.  and now you are blaming me for this??? don't you think that i want this fixed also.  not to mention having my dad back!

by the way- if it's any of your business i've tried having him punished, clean himself, rewarded him, taken all his toys from his room- you name it we tried it.  if you can fix this problem, please let me know!!  believe me i went threw all of the emotions of thinking this was his problem not medical, and i sure would love having my life back also.

 
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