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What is the best way to support those you love who are coping with depression or grieving a loss? Post your tips and share support with others.

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January 17, 2007, 11:43 am PST

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How do you begin to explain how you are felling or whats wrong when you feel nothing at all?

To let someone in on why you have more lows days then high ones. What is the definition of a high day any how? Do I call it a high if I dont think for one second that day that I dont want to be here any more?

Depressionits a nasty secret I live with. For longer then I want to confess to. To feel like no one really cares and belittle yourself into thinking you are right is a way of life for meone that has gone on for too many years now.

To watch others looking like they own the world and to be feeling like you want off this circus ride. Give me back my ticket because this wasnt the ride I had dreamed about as a little girl.

Even thinking back to when I was 13 looking up at a tree wondering if it would hold me to my death.what is wrong with me to have been thinking that way and what is wrong with me to be thinking that way today? Was it the bullying by classmates or the life I lived in silence at hometo afraid to step out of my room because I feared my fathers actions. How can one attempt to live an average normal life when they have never felt normal..I know you run away at 16 after being struck by your father and move in with the first guy you fall in love with. Throw onto that 4 kids, a husband who commits adultery and 21 years later and you have me back at that tree looking up at its branches.

When there is no family to turn to and you dont connect with strangers then whats your next step? I know.you look into the eyes of your 16 year old son who seems to think he is a failure too. You tell yourself to get a grip because you are 37 and should know that belittling him growing up has made him what I have been all my life. You scream at the only person who will talk to youthat little inner self who never stopped you from saying what was on your mind.

No one else listen because you talk in riddles trying to explain what your needs are but even I dont know what I want anymore.

My future rests in my children. Tell me how to look forward and forgive all the wrong that came to me the last 37 years. Tell me how to be happy and not angry at the slightest thing that doesnt go my way.

Tell me how to burn that childhood tree that should have had me wondering which tree house board to nail to it first. Tell me how to end this cycle for the love of my children and how to forgive myself and gain my childrens trust. Tell me how I can make my son see the future is bright for himbecause I didnt learn how to mother growing up. Tell me how I can erase the memories of what I have said to my children at time and the actions I have taken that are now their burden.

I cant hear Phil say what has you so angry because I am too lost to really know anymore.

All I know is I have 4 wonderful children a husband who struggles to know what to do for me and tries to walk without breaking the eggshells. Only to have run to another womens arms for a few seconds of bliss and carefree living.

Tell me how to take the ball by the horns and live life like I was dying tomorrow.

I have gone to a therapist a few times and I just shut down or babble about anything.I just dont click with most people.

Tell me how to take those steps outside without feeling like wanting to be back on the couch.

Tell my children I love them and I'm sorry they had me as a mother.

Christine

 I read your letter over and over again because I have been there. You are not alone. We could be sisters. My childhood included most abuses you can name. My father was evil. I watched him break my mom into a scared shell of a woman. I have 8 brothers and 2 sisters. I was the seventh born. Isn't seven the lucky number? Depends on how you look at life. My father left when I was 11, but the damage had already been done. The only good thing I can say about him is that he pretended to be a preacher in my youth so I got a good grip on faith.Now he is dead. It was a relief for most of us. I could never forgive him for what he had done because he never admitted to doing anything wrong. I did not talk to him the last 25 years of his life and I have no regrets about that. My father is part of the reason I am who I am today. I vowed when I was little that I would be strong and overcome all life had to throw my way.

   It has been a rough ride. In fact I rode almost every ride at the circus. Before I was 14 I had experimented with cutting and bulimia. I didn't even realize back then there were names for these things.I was married 2 days after my 15th birthday because I had already ran away from home once and I had become sexually active. My mom gave up  on me, not her fault though. Eighteen months later I had my first son. I was told I could never have children. (That's another story.) Two years later my husband left me for my brothers fiance. That was the start of a long list of bad choices I made. I always tried to stay positive. I always said things happen for a reason. Something good will come out of even something bad. Sometimes it was hard to swallow, but looking back it has been true. By the time I was 30 I had been divorced 3 times, had 2 more kids out of wedlock, and had several miseriable relationships ( some abusive). By the time I was 35 I had given up on love. I conentrated on my family and survival. I tried hard to be a good mother, but there were times I had to work 2 and 3 jobs at a time. My children suffered because I wasn't there for them. I believe I did the best I could. There were times I said and did things that I regret but my children know that I love them very much. I felt like an amazon warrior battling through life with my sword of faith. I was very protective of my children and I fought like a wildcat to keep them as safe as I could. I didn't go to church much as I got older, but I held on to my faith like it would keep me safe. I also wrote poetry to give voice to how I really felt inside, because I had to be strong on the outside. Your letter, the way you say you talk in riddles remind me of my poems. My poems are reminders of my darkest times in my life, but even then I wrote them like fairy tales, like I was still avoiding the truth that it was me who was bowing to defeat. I always found strength somewhere(God).

   Along the way I managed to get my drivers license, my GED, and graduated from college with honors and a Ass. in Arts ( I still work crappy jobs, but I feel good about myself.) I built up good credit and bought a nice car and a crappy house that I learned to remodel. I paid the car off in 2 years and the house off in 7.( I only paid $10,000 for the house but it was in really bad shape, but it was mine!).I didn't date for about 3 years, men were not to be trusted. I put up a wall and had so many rules and restrictions about dating that no man had a chance. I said that I would no longer look for love, it would find me. I was right, it did. I have been happily married for 5 years now. Is my life perfect now? Not a chance! My faith is still tested to the limits.

   My youngest son was shot in the head 2 years ago. It was a stupid accident that the boy who was 17 at the time will always have to live with.( my son was 25 at the time) As my son lay in a coma I told the states attorney not to press charges. If my son died, sending a boy to prison because of an accident would not bring my son back. My son survived with minor brain damage and partially paralized on the left side. He came home after 2 months and 1 day in the hospital. He beat all the odds and suprised even the doctors. He now lives on his own and he will tell you it was the best thing that happened to him, because his life was headed in the wrong direction.(another long story).My oldest son who is 29, has unfortunately inherited his Grandma's depression. Two months ago he stabbed himself in the chest to prove his love to a woman who didn't deserve his attention. He just missed his heart and lung and was out of the hospital in a week. He is getting help. My daughter is 20. She has a good head on her shoulders. She works as a cna and loves all old people. Other than rolling her car and walking away from it , all has been fine for her. I have 2 wonderful grandchildren (1 boy , 1 girl)

   I have fought demons and lived to see another day. I have seen miracles and believe that anything is possible. There are things I have been through that I will never talk about. There are things I regret, but would not change, because it all brought me to where I am today. All that I have been through I know someone has been through worse, so I count my blessings. I know I'll see more hard times but I brace myself everyday.

   Maybe my story won't help, but I want you to know I have lived in chaos too. I understand what it feels like to look over the edge and wonder if  jumping would stop the pain. I don't think so. You are not alone, reaching out for help shows me you haven't given up yet. Take a deep breath, hold your head up and walk proudly among friends. Life is worth living.

                                                         Patty

                                                          

 
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January 17, 2007, 12:05 pm PST

Hi Christine

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How do you begin to explain how you are felling or whats wrong when you feel nothing at all?

To let someone in on why you have more lows days then high ones. What is the definition of a high day any how? Do I call it a high if I dont think for one second that day that I dont want to be here any more?

Depressionits a nasty secret I live with. For longer then I want to confess to. To feel like no one really cares and belittle yourself into thinking you are right is a way of life for meone that has gone on for too many years now.

To watch others looking like they own the world and to be feeling like you want off this circus ride. Give me back my ticket because this wasnt the ride I had dreamed about as a little girl.

Even thinking back to when I was 13 looking up at a tree wondering if it would hold me to my death.what is wrong with me to have been thinking that way and what is wrong with me to be thinking that way today? Was it the bullying by classmates or the life I lived in silence at hometo afraid to step out of my room because I feared my fathers actions. How can one attempt to live an average normal life when they have never felt normal..I know you run away at 16 after being struck by your father and move in with the first guy you fall in love with. Throw onto that 4 kids, a husband who commits adultery and 21 years later and you have me back at that tree looking up at its branches.

When there is no family to turn to and you dont connect with strangers then whats your next step? I know.you look into the eyes of your 16 year old son who seems to think he is a failure too. You tell yourself to get a grip because you are 37 and should know that belittling him growing up has made him what I have been all my life. You scream at the only person who will talk to youthat little inner self who never stopped you from saying what was on your mind.

No one else listen because you talk in riddles trying to explain what your needs are but even I dont know what I want anymore.

My future rests in my children. Tell me how to look forward and forgive all the wrong that came to me the last 37 years. Tell me how to be happy and not angry at the slightest thing that doesnt go my way.

Tell me how to burn that childhood tree that should have had me wondering which tree house board to nail to it first. Tell me how to end this cycle for the love of my children and how to forgive myself and gain my childrens trust. Tell me how I can make my son see the future is bright for himbecause I didnt learn how to mother growing up. Tell me how I can erase the memories of what I have said to my children at time and the actions I have taken that are now their burden.

I cant hear Phil say what has you so angry because I am too lost to really know anymore.

All I know is I have 4 wonderful children a husband who struggles to know what to do for me and tries to walk without breaking the eggshells. Only to have run to another womens arms for a few seconds of bliss and carefree living.

Tell me how to take the ball by the horns and live life like I was dying tomorrow.

I have gone to a therapist a few times and I just shut down or babble about anything.I just dont click with most people.

Tell me how to take those steps outside without feeling like wanting to be back on the couch.

Tell my children I love them and I'm sorry they had me as a mother.

Christine

 

Hi Christine

 

I know that depression and the frustration of not knowing what to do are difficult to deal with.  I have

problems with depression too.

 

It sounds to me like you need people to talk to and you need to forgive yourself and try to move on

with things.

Forgiveness is all about making a fresh start.  I know this is MUCH easier said than done but just

try to be the person you want to be.  Try to not act and react in the ways that you don't approve of and,

 over time, those around you will learn 'the new you'.

 

There is a website that I was made aware of called touchingminds.org.  I'm not a member there but I

have been there and it looks useful for when you are depressed and in need of talking to those who

understand.

 

I wanted to respond to you here so that you know that someone has heard you.  I don't have the answers

but I care as much as I can.

 

I would also suggest that you seek God (not 'church God' but the real God).  I believe in God but I'm not

religious.

God forgave me and then asked me why, if He wanted to forgive me... why was my judgement that I shouldn't be forgiven

more correct than His judgement that I should.  I figured God knew better than I did and so I have

tried to forgive myself.  Knowing God loves and forgives me (ongoing forgiveness) , helps me.

 

God loves you.  I suspect your kids love you too.  I can tell that you love them.

 

I hope you feel better.

 

Dave

 

 
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January 20, 2007, 6:01 pm PST

daughters depression

my daughter has hepatitis c and has depression.one of the symtoms. She has since gotten onmeds. and is doing better. She has her good days and bad though even with the neds. It just breaks my heart that sfe is having to go through this. I have my own health problems but I try so hard to be there for her,and also her sister who has her own health issues. Just felt a need to vent. Sorry             
 
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January 24, 2007, 9:16 am PST

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I'm young but fat and ugly!!!

Hi Mary Ann,

 

Feel better about yourself, sweetie.  I'm OLD and fat and ugly!    :) 

 

Hang in there.  My life really did get better after 40.  I'm still fat and ugly but I have more fun now.  God bless all the therapists!

 
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January 28, 2007, 7:05 pm PST

exhausted and desparate for help

I do not know where to turn anymore.

I've attempted to care for my loved one to the best of my abilities  but a number of gov't agencies and relatives were too strong and overbearing.

I am unable to contintue to perform legal work contray to what the executive director of the legal aid clinic instructed me to do.  I am unable to continue to fight.

Month, after month, year after year.  Is there anyone on the face of this planet who will assist me whis this mess?

I am affraid to post on here becuase of the scope and reach of the Dr. Phil show.

I now live in my loved one's home, literally, a physical psychological captive to a relative.

I no longer have a phone, I only have e-mail.

Last week I went to the food bank in an attempt to get food and to tell them
that the boot they "bought" me gave me back spasms for three days after I walked to the food bank the previous week the those boots.  They did nothing, so I used my old boots.
This morning I put duct tape in the back buy the heal to cover the plastic so it would not
chaf my heal as I walked 1 1/2 (one way) to see my loved one and then another 1 1/2  hours back.

I will NOT post specific detail on this site because of what has occured in the past on other sites.

I do not live in the US.

Thank you for listening.

Regards,
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February 10, 2007, 12:29 am PST

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Good morning everybody

 

I am from the Netherlands, near Rotterdam. Oh yes, we can watch Dr Phil here too you know.

My husband has become invalid, so we cannot go out anymore, and our world has become very small because of that. He is coping very well , and I support him  with all he needs.

But, now that I have all this time to waste, I better spend it in a constructive way, instead of feeling sorry for ourselves dont you think?

So that is how I came here. The computer is my eye to the world, and on the other side of the screen from you, I might be able to give some support to those who need it.

Warm greetings from a rainy Rotterdam,

Gilhari

 
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February 10, 2007, 10:35 am PST

How do you help

Your message was very moving !!!  I am currently in the middle of trying to help my brother who is severely depressed and suicidal,  allthough I am not in his shoes I am trying very hard to understand/ empathize with his pain and figure out how to help him.  You have helped me see YES YOU !!!  how it feels to be in his shoes  I have looked on websites most of the day for information/support  and reading your message really put alot of things into perspective for me

Thank you , you are in my thoughts

happygilmour

 
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February 10, 2007, 10:50 am PST

Good morning too

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Good morning everybody

 

I am from the Netherlands, near Rotterdam. Oh yes, we can watch Dr Phil here too you know.

My husband has become invalid, so we cannot go out anymore, and our world has become very small because of that. He is coping very well , and I support him  with all he needs.

But, now that I have all this time to waste, I better spend it in a constructive way, instead of feeling sorry for ourselves dont you think?

So that is how I came here. The computer is my eye to the world, and on the other side of the screen from you, I might be able to give some support to those who need it.

Warm greetings from a rainy Rotterdam,

Gilhari

Hello I am new to this site/message board as well.  I absolutely love watching Dr. Phil , I like to think of that hour of t.v as my reward/treat..

It amazes me that you offer your support to others with all the responsiblities you already have .  I do not know the circumstances /commitments that you have  but it is clear that  you must be a good person  to want to help others.  You must know yourself from listening to Dr. Phil  what he would say to those that choose to wallow in their own pity  and not do anything about it .  A positive outlook ( even through trying times will take you a long way)   It is nice to see you have a positive attitude.  I am currently trying to support a very depressed /suicidal brother who will absolutelt NOT /does not want Help !! It is very frustrating as a caring sister.  T his is my release to have a break and connect with other people .  I figure any fan of Dr.Phil must be a good person

HappyGilmour

 
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February 16, 2007, 7:25 am PST

No End, No Waste

Good Morning:

 

Dr. Phil told a suicidal young lady yesterday she did not have the right to end or waste her life. I agreed, and his words brought about this poem.  I hope it touches someone :-)  Tricia


Do Not End Or Waste Your Life

Your life, the one you are living right now
Is a gift from a loving Creator; give a bow.
You have to discern purpose, somehow.
Life is a gift; Namaste' a sacred vow.

Suicide is an assault on those who love you.
A cop-out from a place that is very blue.
We all have a time limit, me and you too.
Charged with a mission of what we are to do.

Do not waste time with addiction
Or lose life energy from depression
To shine your light is loving expression
Light beats out dark, a good impression.

To live a life of excellence
Truly makes the most of common sense.
Excellence does not require intelligence
A free will choice, it's a powerful presence

It does not require beauty or wealth
It only requires good mental health
Seeking truth and Spiritual breath
We have a soul, there is life after death.

©Patricia Lite Hickman 02/15/2007

 
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February 21, 2007, 3:21 pm PST

Giving and Receiving Support

PLEASE, I NEED HELP NOW,  DISABLED, NO INCOME, , TAXES, FORECLOSUE

    I .  I have been extremely ill, and so disorganized.  I do not
> want another levy on my wife's income.  I have no income and we are about
> to lose our home, and everything.  My illnesses are so severe that I am
> incapacitated the majority of the time.   >
> I cannot focus, I am in severe pain daily, SEVERELY DEPRESSED.  SYMPTOMS:
> INABILITY TO FOCUS OR CONCENTRATE.
> INABILITY TO DEAL WITH LIFE'S CIRCUMSTANCES.
> IN AN ALMOST CONSTANT STATE OF PANIC.
> OVERWHELMED BY TRYING TO SAVE OUR HOME, PAY OUR BILLS,  AND DEAL WITH
> LIFE.
> FEELINGS OF HOPELESSNESS, HELPLESSNESS.
> CONSUMED BY THOUGHTS OF DEATH, TRAGIC EVENTS.
> CONSUMED BY OBSESSIVE THOUGHTS AND ROUTINES.
> I HAVE SEVERE PAINS, AND IMMOBILIZED MOST OF THE TIME.
> LACK OF MOTIVATION.
> LACK OF INTEREST IN THINGS I WOULD NORMALLY ENJOY.
> PANIC, FEAR, PHOBIAS.
> SEVERE MUSCLE TIGHTNESS, PREVENTING ME FROM DOING SIMPLE TASKS.
> RECENTLY DIAGNOSED WITH PERIPHERAL NEUROPATHY AND CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME.
> SEVERE PAINS IN MY NECK, UPPER BACK,  ARMS, TORSO.
> UNABLE TO FOCUS OR COMPREHEND CERTAIN THINGS.
> COMPLETELY BROKE, ALMOST NO MONEY AT ALL.
> BILLS PILED UP, SO BAD, SCATTERED EVERYWHERE.
> I HAD ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER TO FILE THESE RETURNS, BUT WHEN I
> DECIDED TO TRY TO TACKLE THE RETURNS, I COULD NOT FIND MY WIFE'S W-2'S.
> TROUBLE SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE ON THE PHONE.
> TROUBLE AND PHOBIAS OF BEING IN PUBLIC PLACES.
> I MISS NUMEROUS DOCTOR APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE I AM WITH TOO SICK, IN TOO
> MUCH PAIN, AND/OR CANNOT AFFORD THE CO-PAY.
> CANNOT AFFORD MY MEDICATIONS.
> NO FOOD IN THE HOUSE, NO MONEY TO BUY FOOD.
> I AM IN A VERY SERIOUS AND URGENT SITUATION AND HAVE BEEN BEGGING FOR HELP
> FROM MANY ORGANIZATIONS, ETC FOR MONTHS ON END, ALL TO NO AVAIL.
>
>
>>A  person with severe mental impairments and disabilites should have
> a way to file his or her taxes without having to pay out of his or her
> pocket, and someone to assist, advise, and protect the taxpayer.
>
> Also, the penatiles and interest have accumilated, while I had no way of
> paying the principal taxes because of the severity of my disabilties.  I
> have no income.
>

>
 
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