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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 09:13:13 am
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Does someone in your family always have to one-up you? Or are you tired of watching your family members try to outdo one another?

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October 26, 2006, 2:28 pm PDT

Brother-in-Law and Souse copy EVERYTHING we do!

My husband is a twin brother, he and his wife are driving me crazy.  They copy everything we do...everything for the last 2 years.  Engaged 2 weeks after us, built a house immediately after us, copy how our home is decorated, copy the shoes we buy, the gifts I get my husband, and now they are even looking at the same kind of puppy we just got three weeks ago (and they already have a dog)!  It's flattering if it's a few things that they like about us...but this is ridiculous.  It doesn't stop there, either.  The nice new TV we bought - one week later...they got the same thing.  The pictures I hang on the wall - they got the exact ones.   It's driving me nuts.  I don't even want to share anything with them or have them over to visit.  I feel a bit robbed of my individuality.  I need to tell them, and try to be nice about it or I'm afraid I'm going to lash out at them one day.  In the mean-time, they love to make us look bad to the rest of their side of the family.  My spouse and I are more independent and are not as involved with family as we were when we were  when we were younger...they are very dependent on his family and we get a lot of pressure and negative comments when we do not visit as frequently as they do. 

 

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October 26, 2006, 6:43 pm PDT

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My husband is a twin brother, he and his wife are driving me crazy.  They copy everything we do...everything for the last 2 years.  Engaged 2 weeks after us, built a house immediately after us, copy how our home is decorated, copy the shoes we buy, the gifts I get my husband, and now they are even looking at the same kind of puppy we just got three weeks ago (and they already have a dog)!  It's flattering if it's a few things that they like about us...but this is ridiculous.  It doesn't stop there, either.  The nice new TV we bought - one week later...they got the same thing.  The pictures I hang on the wall - they got the exact ones.   It's driving me nuts.  I don't even want to share anything with them or have them over to visit.  I feel a bit robbed of my individuality.  I need to tell them, and try to be nice about it or I'm afraid I'm going to lash out at them one day.  In the mean-time, they love to make us look bad to the rest of their side of the family.  My spouse and I are more independent and are not as involved with family as we were when we were  when we were younger...they are very dependent on his family and we get a lot of pressure and negative comments when we do not visit as frequently as they do. 

 

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My first advice to you is this: if you know in your heart that you and your husband are good people, then you can’t allow what others might say/think/feel about you to bother you- whatever negative things they say to family is out of their own insecurity. Because you are more independent and don’t spend as much time with family as you used to, it is important that the time you do spend with family (I mean other than his twin brother and his wife) is quality time, time that is not spent talking about what these in-laws are up to, etc.- focus on other events going on in the family instead. When the brother and sister in law topic comes up, don’t engage in that conversation and simply steer the conversation towards a change of topic- you can do this; it might be difficult at first only because any change is difficult, but this is a change for the better and well worth the effort.

It is important that you begin to distance yourselves politely from these people. They can’t copy what you have in your home if they don’t know about it- why do they need to know that you got a new t.v.? Do the brothers engage in “I have something you don’t have” type of banter? (I know many grown men who do this!!) Talk to your husband and make an agreement to not talk about new items that you have or about any decorating you’ve done- and if asked, again, change the subject. You can’t confront them about the way they are copying you without coming across as ‘petty’ or ‘jealous’ and that isn’t how you want to be perceived. Instead, its best to distance yourself and when you do see them, keep quiet about your possessions!

 
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October 26, 2006, 6:53 pm PDT

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Does anyone know how to keep peace between 3 sisters and one brother when one sister gets everything for free from their father. Their father seems to get a kick out of their arguing. This has caused alot of stress on my husband. (the only brother) My husband is a hard worker and has 2 jobs to make sure our family has what we need. He is a professional firefighter and a contractor. He does not like to see his sister use their father like she does. She plays him and when we point it out he just laughs and says its my money. He has bought her 2 cars soon to be 3. New furniture, paid rent for her and gave her money to return home after she followed a loser she meant on the internet to Texas. She has 2 teenage boys. The cost was about 3 grand. The other childern get nothing. And i really mean nothing. Would love to have some peace in the family before the holidays.

Your father-in-law is right, its his money, its his life. Unless he is not of sound mind to make these decisions, then there is no reason why the siblings should be so angry. Your husband works two jobs because he is an independent man who can and wants to provide for his family; your father in law knows this about his son. On the other hand, his daughter is the opposite; she needs to be ‘saved’ and ‘rescued’ and this is a pattern of behavior that your father in law has come to rely on; he enjoys rescuing his victimized daughter because it gives him a feeling of power. This isn’t about favorites. This is about a parent knowing which children can fend for themselves and which can’t, or rather, won’t. Its almost as though the father in law is making his daughter dependant upon him so that he can get his power fix when he ‘saves’ her. If you and your husband ever needed money, would you ask to borrow it from your father in law? Just curious. If you need money, I’m willing to bet you FIL would “rescue” you if you were in such a position.

 
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October 27, 2006, 9:20 am PDT

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My first advice to you is this: if you know in your heart that you and your husband are good people, then you cant allow what others might say/think/feel about you to bother you- whatever negative things they say to family is out of their own insecurity. Because you are more independent and dont spend as much time with family as you used to, it is important that the time you do spend with family (I mean other than his twin brother and his wife) is quality time, time that is not spent talking about what these in-laws are up to, etc.- focus on other events going on in the family instead. When the brother and sister in law topic comes up, dont engage in that conversation and simply steer the conversation towards a change of topic- you can do this; it might be difficult at first only because any change is difficult, but this is a change for the better and well worth the effort.

It is important that you begin to distance yourselves politely from these people. They cant copy what you have in your home if they dont know about it- why do they need to know that you got a new t.v.? Do the brothers engage in I have something you dont have type of banter? (I know many grown men who do this!!) Talk to your husband and make an agreement to not talk about new items that you have or about any decorating youve done- and if asked, again, change the subject. You cant confront them about the way they are copying you without coming across as petty or jealous and that isnt how you want to be perceived. Instead, its best to distance yourself and when you do see them, keep quiet about your possessions!

I hear you, but it's hard to distance ourselves.  Another thing is...they were both in bad jobs and my husband and I got them jobs at our companies...big mistake!  I work with the wife, and my husband works with his twin.  We see them all the time.  It's hard to keep things from them when we see them everyday.  Even talking to co-workers and word spreads to her.   I hate to separate the twins more - we used to be better friends...but this stinks.  We just have to move...and are seriously considering it...to get on neutral ground.  Thanks for the advice!  I'll do my best.
 
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October 31, 2006, 5:04 pm PST

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Well, I thank jenco99 for responding to my email.  I did in fact order the book "Toxic In-Laws" from our library and expect to receive it in the next few days. 

I do have good news to report.  Since his new  baby has arrived he has been so nice to us-including my parents and other family.  I said I thought having his own baby would change him.  I hope that it does for the better.  I love my grown sons too and want to be a part of their lives.

Well we've had our new granddaughter with us since 7+28-2006 and my son and his wife will absolutely not bring her to our house.  They are soooo afraid that she'll have a reaction to our dog that does not stay in the house but he does come into the house at night for his chew so we can monitor him with that. 

My daughter in law is supposedly allergic to dogs but her parents own a pawn shop and when they got their dog and he was a puppy, they kept him in the shop all day and daughter in law was around him in the shop.  I guess their dog has different dog hair than ours.

She wasn't bothered by his dog hair.  I think I will tell off the whole d=== bunch of her family because they control everything my son ahd she does and they are revelling in the fact that we don't get to see our granddaughter.  I don't really feel like a grandmother.

We can't see the baby unless we're invited and that sucks.

Please help calm my nerves because I am sooooo ready to tell off her family.

thanks,

dawgmom

 

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November 2, 2006, 2:26 pm PST

Hi Dawgmom

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Well we've had our new granddaughter with us since 7+28-2006 and my son and his wife will absolutely not bring her to our house.  They are soooo afraid that she'll have a reaction to our dog that does not stay in the house but he does come into the house at night for his chew so we can monitor him with that. 

My daughter in law is supposedly allergic to dogs but her parents own a pawn shop and when they got their dog and he was a puppy, they kept him in the shop all day and daughter in law was around him in the shop.  I guess their dog has different dog hair than ours.

She wasn't bothered by his dog hair.  I think I will tell off the whole d=== bunch of her family because they control everything my son ahd she does and they are revelling in the fact that we don't get to see our granddaughter.  I don't really feel like a grandmother.

We can't see the baby unless we're invited and that sucks.

Please help calm my nerves because I am sooooo ready to tell off her family.

thanks,

dawgmom

Dawgmom, I can empathize because I have a dysfuntional family as well and a certain in-law has a lot of control over certain family members.  In this case, it all revolves around money (gifts, etc) and a future inheritance.

 

I did want to say something about the dog allergies.  Your DIL may be telling the truth about that.  I am VERY allergic to dogs and cats (proven by symptoms and skin testing).  However, when I get a young pet and live with it, my body adapts.  I have little to no allergic symptoms.  When I visit someone with a dog or go into a pet store or animal shelter, I have severe symptoms including asthma.  My allergist told me that there are people who react this way, so I'm not the only one.

 

Still, this does not excuse the behavior of your son and his wife.  That is a much bigger problem.  Have you thought about going to counseling to talk about the rejection that you're feeling?  If you can deal with the hurt and avoid getting more angry, it might keep you from doing or saying something that you'll regret later.  I am not implying that you are the problem.  I do think it would help to have someone to talk to (third party, professional) who can help you sort it all out.

 

Your son might be going along with all of this because he puts money above relationships.  Do you think so?  Was your son hard to deal with before he married?

 
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November 5, 2006, 12:33 pm PST

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 I am writing this to get advise-my husband and mother were in an altercation at our home.  She had him arrested.  He and I are seperating and both of us are receiving counseling.  We moved back to this area about a year ago and bought my brother's house to save him from bankruptcy and to have a family home-it has been nothing but trouble.  My parents are angry with me for letting my husband see the kids.  They are always in our business and now refuse to speak to me because I will not let them push me into not letting the children see their father.  I do not want my children in the middle of their vendetta.  Although they are loving grandparents-my mother often says things like "My kids" in reference to our children-it is very upsetting.  My husband and I seperated over 6 years ago and then worked things out-the result-my parents refused to speak to me for over two years.  My husband and I are both responsible adults that love our children, but realize that our arguing is taking a toll on the whole family and that we need to seperate to get individual help and to see if we can later work things out.  I don't know what to hthink of my parent's behavior and am angry and resent the fact that they try to emotionally blackmail me.  I am also sick of the fact that they refuse to recognize that as the GRANDPARENTS their opinions are valued but the raising of my husband and my children is not a democracy!  And they don't get the majority vote-I feel like they are using the confusion and emotionally charged situation of my seperation to further manipulate me and often feel like they are trying to take my children away.  I so wish we had never moved back here!  The happiest point of my marriage and adult life was the two years they didn't speak to me.  I feel guilt over saying that-like I am being ungrateful-but I left home as fast as possible and have stayed away until this point.  I am 32 and have been successful in my life and choices-I wish they would recognize that.  I have three beautiful children with a man that I love and loves our children.  The fact that we made the responsible choice of trying to put the children's feelings first until we can work on our marriage should not be an open door for ridicule and manipulation-or am I wrong?
 

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November 5, 2006, 7:19 pm PST

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 I am writing this to get advise-my husband and mother were in an altercation at our home.  She had him arrested.  He and I are seperating and both of us are receiving counseling.  We moved back to this area about a year ago and bought my brother's house to save him from bankruptcy and to have a family home-it has been nothing but trouble.  My parents are angry with me for letting my husband see the kids.  They are always in our business and now refuse to speak to me because I will not let them push me into not letting the children see their father.  I do not want my children in the middle of their vendetta.  Although they are loving grandparents-my mother often says things like "My kids" in reference to our children-it is very upsetting.  My husband and I seperated over 6 years ago and then worked things out-the result-my parents refused to speak to me for over two years.  My husband and I are both responsible adults that love our children, but realize that our arguing is taking a toll on the whole family and that we need to seperate to get individual help and to see if we can later work things out.  I don't know what to hthink of my parent's behavior and am angry and resent the fact that they try to emotionally blackmail me.  I am also sick of the fact that they refuse to recognize that as the GRANDPARENTS their opinions are valued but the raising of my husband and my children is not a democracy!  And they don't get the majority vote-I feel like they are using the confusion and emotionally charged situation of my seperation to further manipulate me and often feel like they are trying to take my children away.  I so wish we had never moved back here!  The happiest point of my marriage and adult life was the two years they didn't speak to me.  I feel guilt over saying that-like I am being ungrateful-but I left home as fast as possible and have stayed away until this point.  I am 32 and have been successful in my life and choices-I wish they would recognize that.  I have three beautiful children with a man that I love and loves our children.  The fact that we made the responsible choice of trying to put the children's feelings first until we can work on our marriage should not be an open door for ridicule and manipulation-or am I wrong?

I got a little lost in the timeline.  Was the "altercation" 6 years ago or recently?  What was your husband arrested for?  What did he do to your mom in order to get arrested?  Has he ever been verbally or physically (or otherwise) abusive toward you or your children?

 

It looks like you have some work to do with your parents on boundary-setting, etc.  Counseling is probably the best place for you to be.  Maybe it will work out so you don't have to avoid them in the future.

 

It sounds like you've had some problems in your marriage.  What types of things have been going on over the years?

 

Why do you think your parents doing like your husband?  Has he hurt you?  Even if they have a good reason not to like him, it does not give them the right to try to control you.  If he has done something wrong, I hope you'll talk to the counselor about it and hold him accountable.

 
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November 6, 2006, 6:46 am PST

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I got a little lost in the timeline.  Was the "altercation" 6 years ago or recently?  What was your husband arrested for?  What did he do to your mom in order to get arrested?  Has he ever been verbally or physically (or otherwise) abusive toward you or your children?

 

It looks like you have some work to do with your parents on boundary-setting, etc.  Counseling is probably the best place for you to be.  Maybe it will work out so you don't have to avoid them in the future.

 

It sounds like you've had some problems in your marriage.  What types of things have been going on over the years?

 

Why do you think your parents doing like your husband?  Has he hurt you?  Even if they have a good reason not to like him, it does not give them the right to try to control you.  If he has done something wrong, I hope you'll talk to the counselor about it and hold him accountable.

 the altercation was over a month ago.  My husband and I had decided to seperate before this.  He had yelled and verbally threatened my mother when she refused to leave the property.  He was here with our middle son.  She left and called the police.  My parents have disliked my husband for a long time.  Six years ago he and I seperated because he had become physically violent with me on one occasion, but he had been working up to it before that with verbal abuse and controlling behavior.  I refused to put up with it and told him that being with me was a conditional thing-that I would not put up with being abused emotionally, mentally or physically.  He has not been abusive towards the children or towards me since.  He did attend counseling for 2 years and receibved anger management courses.  I do see that my parents know that with our excalating arguing that I have been miserable and know that because he had been abusive in the past that they are afraid he will be abusive again.  They have reasons to dislike him, but I truly believe that our children are safe with him and know that he is a loving father.  Thank you for the advise.
 
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November 7, 2006, 9:48 am PST

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 the altercation was over a month ago.  My husband and I had decided to seperate before this.  He had yelled and verbally threatened my mother when she refused to leave the property.  He was here with our middle son.  She left and called the police.  My parents have disliked my husband for a long time.  Six years ago he and I seperated because he had become physically violent with me on one occasion, but he had been working up to it before that with verbal abuse and controlling behavior.  I refused to put up with it and told him that being with me was a conditional thing-that I would not put up with being abused emotionally, mentally or physically.  He has not been abusive towards the children or towards me since.  He did attend counseling for 2 years and receibved anger management courses.  I do see that my parents know that with our excalating arguing that I have been miserable and know that because he had been abusive in the past that they are afraid he will be abusive again.  They have reasons to dislike him, but I truly believe that our children are safe with him and know that he is a loving father.  Thank you for the advise.

As a parent, you can understand your mother and father’s concern; however, they are stepping waayy over their boundaries! You know your husband best, but they aren’t considering that. The best thing they could do for you is to be supportive and encouraging, but instead, they are being emotionally and verbally abusive. You are probably feeling stuck- is there any way you could move again? Or, is being a homeowner tying you down? Like you said, the best years of your life were the ones where you had no contact with them, perhaps that is something to consider for yourself. I know that makes you feel guilty, but you can’t allow other people to control your life.

 
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