Topic : 12/27 The Nanny Affair, Part 2

I happened to catch this 2-part series.  I'm not a professional and probably shouldn't be spouting off but I can't help myself.   I'm not accusing anyone of anything..... BUT:

Brandon exhibits possible signs of anti-social behavior - and, surprisingly, Dr. Phil actually brought up the word - sociopath - but did not actually accuse Brandon of this orientation.  Has to be careful with labeling, I suppose. 

If you are upset with Heidi - don't be.  She may be convinced that she is dealing with such an individual and is overreacting on her fears- she really does have to back off though.   Dr. Phil made that pretty clear.  Brandon probably had her trust in the beginning and now it's become a war - mostly between Heidi and Brandon with Amy totally bufuddled in the middle. Best thing Amy can do is to watch and listen to Dr. Phil and her assigned therapists. 

Dr. Phil made his points clearly to all involved - but with discretion.   IF this person (B) is anti-social - it will be a long, very doubtful haul if he can change.  There is a lot of debate as to whether these individuals are born, made, nature vs nurture, etc.  Yes.  Scott P is commonly acknowledged to be a prime example of a sociopath although many sociopaths do not act to the extremes that he did.  Many come from very chaotic households and have had a lot of strange behavior around their upbringing.  The thinking is that they learn to become self-absorbed and self-serving (nurture) versus being born w/o conscience (say, someone like Manson or Bundy)

Common traits of an anti-social:  evasive and untruthful, tendencies to blame others, create scenarios that work for themselves,  wander off into tangent conversation, promiscuity, charasmatic appeal, self-serving, no remorse or empathy, etc.

Look it up - there are more of these folks in the common population that was once realized and most of them are not violent but are very manipulative and self-absorbed. 

Had a boss once who would set people up against each other just to step back and watch the chaos. It had everybody confused, overwrought, pitted against each other and confused.  - Key was the pattern(s) of behavior were always the same and those people who eventually figured it out set the boss up and it was all over - horrible experience for the victims however.....

If nothing else - educate yourself on this behavior so that you know what to do IF you encounter an anti-social person because you will be likely thrown for a loop.....initially anyway.

I THINK DR. PHIL SHOULD HAVE TOLD HEIDE TO BUTT OUT!!!! OF THIS COUPLE'S AFFAIRS.  I THINK SHE IS A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.

PSCOTT

I was disappointed that the redhead 'friend'(?) bitch, whose name I have chosen to forget, was allowed to be onstage and express her thoughts. I'm not sure what role she has played in this relationship except to manipulate Amy. This couples marriage is none of her business! It was difficult to tell what was real or imagined. She needs to butt out!

Garmin

Dr. Phil

I think you are doing a good job, but I don't like how everyone asks him a question and his response is "everyone is ganging up on me" this show is about him sleeping with the nanny. He should feel ganged up on. His wife wasn't sleeping with the nanny. If he has really changed wouldn't he grow up and answer the all questions. This show isn't about Heidi or Amy it's about what he did wrong. But he continues to point the finger at everyone else but himself. He's gone through a crappy life, I have to my husband is in Iraq and I'm a high risk pregnancy, i've gone through more stuff as well, but it doesn't mean I can go cheat on my husband. He needs to step up and be a man about it, he needs to learn from his mistakes, and obviously he can't, he wants to now blame what he has done one his past. GROW UP. She needs to leave him because if he can't deal with his past, and hasn't dealt with it, he won't change...Old dogs don't learn new tricks.