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Topic : 12/27 The Nanny Affair, Part 2

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(Original Air Date: 09/13/07) The saga continues, as Dr. Phil brings you more of the affair that shattered the lives of a husband and wife and her best friend and parents. One year into his marriage, Brandon was caught cheating on his wife, Amy, with their teenage nanny. After fearing for her life, Amy filed a restraining order against Brandon, and he filed for divorce. But, their separation didn't last long. Amy decided to let Brandon back into her life, much to the dismay of her best friend, Heidi, and her parents, Cyndie and Mont. Why does Cyndie say she's scared of Brandon, and why does Mont say he doesn't believe a word Brandon says? Then, how are the kids faring during all of this chaos in the home? Heidi and Cyndie say they worry Brandon's discipline is over the top, but he says he's a loving father. What does Amy have to say? And, why does Dr. Phil question Brandon's sincerity to change? Is there hope this couple can save their marriage or should they call it quits once and for all? Tell us what you think!

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December 27, 2007, 8:12 am PST

Get that friend out of that marriage!

I do beleive these two have issues, and need to concentrate on fixing them for their childrens sake, and if they want to stay together.

 

I am surprised that Dr. Phil didn't tell the "best Friend" to butt out. She is certainly crossing over her boundaries into their marrieage.  In no way should a wife recommend a friend to handle the finances, for example.

I think she can stay a friend to the wife, but she needs to remove herself from their marriage. The husband doesn't need to deal with her always being around.

 

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December 27, 2007, 8:15 am PST

12/27 The Nanny Affair, Part 2

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We agree with you. Both Amy and Brandon need counciling before or if they get back together. But, this is not a marriage of two but three. Heidi is not Amy's "friend", she is an "irritant". It was very clear that she is and has been against this marriage from the start. We were very surprised that Dr. Phil didn't tell her to "Butt Out" of this marriage and keep her opinions to herself. Heidi has very clearly infulenced Amy and her parents in a negative way toward Brandon.  Brandon clearly has issues that he needs to correct but Heidi doesn't want to help, she wants to control Amy, Brandon and the children. No marriage needs a "Friend" like Heidi.

I agree. I kept waiting for Dr. Phil to tell Heidi to get out of their marriage. It will never work as along as she is there butting in. If she is AMy's friend, then she needs to stay as her friend, and not always be in the marriage per se.

 

Dr. Phil?  Why didn't you confront Ms. Know it all Heidi and tell her to mind her own business?  This was totally immature high school stuff. It is ok to be concerned about your friend, but not to the point where you are so involved in her marriage that you are being recommended to take over the finances. I dont blame Brandon for  not liking Heidi.  She needs to butt out!

 
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December 27, 2007, 8:26 am PST

Abusive

He has not changed, he still is agressive and abusive when confronted.
 
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December 27, 2007, 8:43 am PST

many factors

Yes the guy is not a saint, and yes what he did was VERY WRONG, i think the wife is not angel either, so i do think they do deserve each other, but i also have faith and hope that any relationship can give it a try to look for help and change life 100% if possible,but what i did notice in the show yesterday the so call BESTFRIEND go to go mind her own bussiness and let those two have a life, sometimes too many people in a relationship makes it even harder to deal with. So those two should stay separated and work with professionals that will help them foccus on what is important in a marriage, but defenitly without the best friend hanging around. Leave it up to the TWO people in this marriage, kids deserve a loving home and maybe the fireman will change his ways , who knows one has to have some faith! , arrrrrrrg  i so hope dr, Phil would of be more determine and tell the best friend to just stay out of this. Got to see what part two brings today but so far i think there is no inocent part in this story, except the children of the couple. The children is what matters and they deserve a home with a Mom and a Dad, hopefully they get the help they need, and the best friend needs to get a life!!!!!!!!!
 
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December 27, 2007, 9:11 am PST

This man has traits that can be unresolved...

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Yes the guy is not a saint, and yes what he did was VERY WRONG, i think the wife is not angel either, so i do think they do deserve each other, but i also have faith and hope that any relationship can give it a try to look for help and change life 100% if possible,but what i did notice in the show yesterday the so call BESTFRIEND go to go mind her own bussiness and let those two have a life, sometimes too many people in a relationship makes it even harder to deal with. So those two should stay separated and work with professionals that will help them foccus on what is important in a marriage, but defenitly without the best friend hanging around. Leave it up to the TWO people in this marriage, kids deserve a loving home and maybe the fireman will change his ways , who knows one has to have some faith! , arrrrrrrg  i so hope dr, Phil would of be more determine and tell the best friend to just stay out of this. Got to see what part two brings today but so far i think there is no inocent part in this story, except the children of the couple. The children is what matters and they deserve a home with a Mom and a Dad, hopefully they get the help they need, and the best friend needs to get a life!!!!!!!!!

 

This man, Brandon, exhibits traits of anti-social behavior.  Blame everything on someone else, has no real guilt about sex - no boundaries around sex either - and finds ways to deflect direct accountability.

 

Amy is his perfect target.  The friend, Heidi,  is not.  The friend, bless her heart, is probably wasting her time.  She is best just being the friend to be careful and not so "deer in the headlight trusting", but has the right idea is maintaining distance from the guy - that is her friend Amy's problem, not hers.

 

Dr. Phil continues to maintain that he believes everyone can change.  Perhaps - but not likely.

 

He also maintains that the best predictor of future performance is past performance..... and, if you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences.... pay attention, Brandon.

 

 
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December 27, 2007, 9:20 am PST

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Okay...Brandon is a slime for cheating on his wife...BUT...i think Heidi needs to BUTT OUT!! I think she's just a meddling friend who is making the situation worse! I think she needs to get a life of her own and quit worrying about Brandon and Amy's! 
 
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December 27, 2007, 10:28 am PST

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neighbor needs to make her own decisions about her relationship with both husband and wife.  Act accordingly.  Husband might try answering a question without avoidence or acusation.  Wife might try following whats she's really feeling not what she hopes for.
 
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December 27, 2007, 10:40 am PST

Why is Heidi so involved?

I don't really think this guys problems can be resolved soon enough for him to be able to get back in a relationship with Amy.  If they do get back together, they shouldn't do it right now.  There are just way too many problems that need to be resolved before they should even attempt to rekindle their relationship.  They both need counseling.  But what is really bothering me about this whole situation...what is with Heidi.  This woman needs to stay out of their relationship.  I can imagine that she causes a lot of stress and strain on their relationship.  She is ridiculous.  Your friends have to be kept at a distance from your relationship with your spouse.  It's like the man is being forced to keep two relationships.  If one woman isn't happy with him, the other one isn't and they both express that to him.  This woman should never personally address him about his relationship with her friend and the fact that Amy lets her speak to him in such a manner is appalling.  What is with that?  It kind of bothers me that Dr. Phil doesn't say anything to Heidi about overstepping her boundries as a friend of Amy.

 
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December 27, 2007, 11:33 am PST

a lot of people should read more about anti-social behavior

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I was in the same relationship as this woman for over 20 years.  2 years ago I filed for divorce only knowing about 1 affair that was years earlier with my now 'ex' best friend of 7 years.  I loved him with all my heart. I was only 18 yrs old when I met him and am now 40.  Everyone thought we were the perfect couple.  I thought we were meant to be together.  On the outside, I thought he loved me and would never hurt me...on the inside, I lived with fear that I would lose my husband because even though he said he loved me, I Didn't FEEL It.

During the last 2 years, I checked into therapy and while he was trying to convince me he loves me, he confessed, after finding God, to 5 other women during the 1st 10 years of our marriage.  That's 6 women he confessed to and I had about 21 other names during and since then.  His phone still rings and he still lies about it being a guy from school when I could hear a female.  He doesn't own up to what he did because he says it's in the past even though he'd just dropped them in my lap.

I hope Amy realizes and her therapist tells her:  he's considered: "INCURABLE"!!!  They, the Incurables, Lie, Manipulate and emotionally blackmails you...THEY LIVE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN SATISFACTION AT WHATEVER COST TO YOUR OWN WELL BEING AND WHO YOU ARE.

I went to court on December 19th, 2007, to get my divorce finalized.  He also made the comment about medical that Amy's husband made...the Judge ordered him to pay my medical insurance for 1 year, added Alimony and upped my child support and retirement portion of his military pay.

The day after I went to court, I questioned if I did the right thing by letting my husband go.  Thankfully, my best friend Jennifer, reminded me he would never Value me.  Only himself.  She made me look back and remember all the abuse and told me how strong I was and to move forward, that he could never change because he would only still be a Mirage of what I hoped he would be.

Amy, continue Therapy...Move Forward and Don't LQQk Back!!!  He doesn't deserve YOU!  He will never change...he's, like my ex husband, a wolf in sheep's clothing.  Don't waste 20 years like I did.  Learn from what you've gone through, rise up with your children and be the strong, beautiful woman that you ARE!

Sincerely,

Christine

 

 

You are so right about what you experienced and described above.

 

After having experienced a relationship ,(horrifying in the constant confusion), with a diagnosed sociopath- I would not hesitate to say that Brandon exhibits traits that signal that direction.  His wife, Amy, is a very naive, trusting, individual and it's going to take her a LONG TIME to realize what's going on because she is constantly being pulled in and then pushed away - he does these things to her because he WANTS her where she is... probably chose her because she is naive .. and finds something he needs in this relationship (financial security?) and will continue to draw her in -only leaving if someone comes along who can completely support him financially and turns another naive eye to his behavior.

 

It is absolutely HORRIBLE to live with a socialized anti-social (non-criminal) personality.  VERY selfish - but so cunning that you think it just MAY be about you - because you want so much to be loved and cherished the way the person will tell you you are.  These individuals rarely feel real concern and/or emotional empathy/guilt about what they do - they will usually just blame someone or claim that they were misled.  The psychologist helping Amy is really trying to train her to see the behaviors as patterns which is good advice.

 

Constant on-the-spot  pathological lying is another absolute trait of these types of individuals.  They are also MASTERS of manipulation and can easily charm and confuse their way out of a jam.  My therapist indicates that they master the art of watching and duplicating emotions they don't feel to get their way without guilt.

 

Actually, this type of behavior is quite common, especially in our country - because our society rewards these types of people for many of their traits - the driving self-serving excess of slash-n-burn CEO's for example.  I'm talking about socialized non-criminal anti-social behavior.

 

Heidi confronts this man - but it isn't her place.  She is better off just caring for her friend and keeping the relationship with Amy about Amy - not about Brandon.  Amy has to do the hard work there herself.

 

It took me a long time to see the relationship I was in for what it was - but I know how to spot them from a long way now..... and there are a few out there.

 

Take care.

 
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December 27, 2007, 11:37 am PST

Change is in your pocket

I have lived like this and seen my friends go through the same things. I believe that once you have been hurt by someone that it is almost impossible to fix the hurt. There is always going to be that doubt of what he or she is doing when they are not right next to you. Love is blind, so they say, and once the wife realizes that she will be better off alone or at least without him she will understand that she was blinded by love too!!! People don't change, change is in your pocket, they are usually just covering up their true self by acting like someone else for a few days, weeks, or even months. Once their true colors shine through you learn the truth and the drama begins again. NO MORE DRAMA!! is what you have to say and move on.

 

I think that the best friend and family should care and be there for her. What the wife has told them has made them dislike her husband and because she keeps taking him back they see her as needing their help. They may be right. These two people may be hurting their chances for a relationship with their children while trying to fix their own.

 
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