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Is there a rift in your family that has gone on too long? When someone isn't speaking to someone else and they drag the whole family into it, things get ugly. Share your stories and solutions here.

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December 18, 2005, 3:38 pm PST

Dealing with Manic/Depressive Sister

This is my first time using a message board so hope it's not to sappy - couldn't  find the Dr.Phil, 

"How not to be sappy rules" - is that him saying, "Are you kidding me - haven't you watched my show"? 

  

Well here goes: my sister is manic/depressive and she denies it, she blames others for her problems so she won't get professional help. Her life is very chaotic & troubled. Our family has rescured her many times but she only gets worse. She's in her forties but wants to live like a kid without any adult responsibilities. My parents are no longer alive.  My problem is guilt. I feel so disoriented when I'm around her.  She was my baby sister and I'm heartbroken. I feel so bad about myself because I tend to want to avoid her now.  I've been through this with her before & I now know I can't fix things for her. I 've worked hard and have a wonderful life but I'm loosing confidence in myself because I feel selfish & worn-out.    What do I do?  I appreciate your advise 

  

On a lighter note - Hope this next year brings wonderful opportunities for rich and rewarding lives to all - Thanks again.  

   

 

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December 18, 2005, 5:52 pm PST

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This is my first time using a message board so hope it's not to sappy - couldn't  find the Dr.Phil, 

"How not to be sappy rules" - is that him saying, "Are you kidding me - haven't you watched my show"? 

  

Well here goes: my sister is manic/depressive and she denies it, she blames others for her problems so she won't get professional help. Her life is very chaotic & troubled. Our family has rescured her many times but she only gets worse. She's in her forties but wants to live like a kid without any adult responsibilities. My parents are no longer alive.  My problem is guilt. I feel so disoriented when I'm around her.  She was my baby sister and I'm heartbroken. I feel so bad about myself because I tend to want to avoid her now.  I've been through this with her before & I now know I can't fix things for her. I 've worked hard and have a wonderful life but I'm loosing confidence in myself because I feel selfish & worn-out.    What do I do?  I appreciate your advise 

  

On a lighter note - Hope this next year brings wonderful opportunities for rich and rewarding lives to all - Thanks again.  

   

Hi there, 

I can't tell you that I know what you're going through, because I don't. But what I can tell you is that you need to care of yourself FIRST!! My suggestion to you would be to see a therapist. Someone that you can vent to. They'll listen, and show you how you can strengthen your inner self. That way you will be able to see things more clearly. Right now it seems to me that you're so stressed out, that your mind is in a fog. So, go see someone, prefferably someone recommended by a doctor. That way you'll feel secure with their advise as well. Good luck. Keep hopeful, there are things that can be done, that much I do believe, but as to what, I'm not sure... 

I hope I have helped you in someway. 

Wishing you a happy holiday season, and a brighter tomorrow! 

Tiff (Voyles) 

 
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December 19, 2005, 3:23 am PST

Daughter so selfish...

I've been having a problem lately that has really just gone too far. I think I have soiled my daughter, because she was the only girl, and now its coming to bite me in the end!  I am divorced from her father and remarried and my new husband will Not tolerate her acting as she has been. She has moved only a few miles away from me now, and yet she won't make any time to come drop by. She always says...Im busy mom!  I feel you should never be too busy for your parents. When the phone rings and its her, its Always Always about needing something. She doesnt call just to chat. She will call and ask me for money, a recipe or something similiar. Now, if we had a better relationship I certainly would not mind doing what I could to give her what she needed.....but I feel as if Im being used. Im almost certain that she won't buy me a christmas present this year.....and I dread that. My hubby says if she doesnt buy me a gift this year then I will NOT buy her anything for her 21st birthday in July. Period. He says she has to know what it feels like, and he refuses to see his wife upset because of daughters selfish ways.  Now I have gotten into the habit of telling her NO when she calls and asks for things.....but I guess I havent really told her how much she is hurting me.  I have in the past, and it just doesnt seem to sink in with her. She says because Im her mother I should still look after her. She is now living with her boyfriend. When I told her I wasnt stuffing her stocking this year..that her significant guy could do that now.....she got mad. She walked thru my home yesterday and saw the second christmas tree that I have up in my kitchen and said...Mom, you should give me that. Ummmm No.  So anyone have troubles similiar to this? I really hope to have a real chat with her this week. But I need help...please.
 
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December 19, 2005, 7:12 am PST

Spoiled daughter

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I've been having a problem lately that has really just gone too far. I think I have soiled my daughter, because she was the only girl, and now its coming to bite me in the end!  I am divorced from her father and remarried and my new husband will Not tolerate her acting as she has been. She has moved only a few miles away from me now, and yet she won't make any time to come drop by. She always says...Im busy mom!  I feel you should never be too busy for your parents. When the phone rings and its her, its Always Always about needing something. She doesnt call just to chat. She will call and ask me for money, a recipe or something similiar. Now, if we had a better relationship I certainly would not mind doing what I could to give her what she needed.....but I feel as if Im being used. Im almost certain that she won't buy me a christmas present this year.....and I dread that. My hubby says if she doesnt buy me a gift this year then I will NOT buy her anything for her 21st birthday in July. Period. He says she has to know what it feels like, and he refuses to see his wife upset because of daughters selfish ways.  Now I have gotten into the habit of telling her NO when she calls and asks for things.....but I guess I havent really told her how much she is hurting me.  I have in the past, and it just doesnt seem to sink in with her. She says because Im her mother I should still look after her. She is now living with her boyfriend. When I told her I wasnt stuffing her stocking this year..that her significant guy could do that now.....she got mad. She walked thru my home yesterday and saw the second christmas tree that I have up in my kitchen and said...Mom, you should give me that. Ummmm No.  So anyone have troubles similiar to this? I really hope to have a real chat with her this week. But I need help...please.

I can't imagine a 24 year old walking through your home and saying you should give her your Christmas tree? Its so absurd its almost laughable!! 

I think you definatly need to have a serious chat with her. Its understandable that she might be busy, but its so unfair that when she needs something she expects you to do whatever it is or give whatever it is, yet she isn't giving back to you. I think that admitting she is spoiled is actually courageous of you, you are admitting your fault in this, however she is now an adult and she needs to know that its  not up to you to "look after her" any longer. I think that you should let her know it hurts your feelings when she doesn't give you Christmas gifts, even if its something small, its knowing that she has thought of you. You need to have an honest, calm discusion with her ASAP. Please know that you can turn this around in a healthy manner, you have to take the "high road" and be the bigger person sometimes, but not all the time!! 

 
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December 19, 2005, 11:07 am PST

How can I forgive?

Where I start? In my family we have all had to tip toe around my sister. Watching every word we say so she doesn't go off because once she gets started she physically and emotionally attacks, no matter what it's over.  

 

On my husband's bday she went off because she said Happy birthday to him while he was in a conversation with his friend, he nodded and kept going on with what he was saying. She went off telling him how rude it was of him to do that. She went on to tell him how worthless he was and how he wouldn't be a good father, emotionally or finacially. I stepped in being 3 months pregnant and told her to knock it off since I was used to this. She got irriate. She told me I needed to have an abortion because my child was nothing but a "worthless bastard" She called my brother and told him my husband threatened her, which he NEVER did, and I will swear on everything that it didn't happen. After getting off the phone she kept telling me to have an abortion so I told her I couldn't be like her, I wanted my child and refused to be a murderer (she herself had an abortion at 15). She then jumped up on a recliner and came inches away from kicking my pregnant belly. If my husband's friend hadn't been there, she wouldn't have been stopped since he caught her in the air. To say the least we ran out of that house. 

 

Days later everyone knew what had happened, but not the full story. She went around telling some people my husband pushed her, and others that he threatened her. She told everyone I attacked her, which if anyone was smart, they would know a 3 month old pregnant woman wouldn't do that. We never spoke after that. I decided then I couldn't be around her after everything she said. I wanted to enjoy my pregnancy and everyone kept telling me stories so I stepped back and avoided being in contact with her. My pregnancy was wonderful after that, I had a great birth and a wonderful daughter to show for. 

 

Over a year and a half had passed and I still never spoke to her. When I heard she had a miscarriage I decided to be the bigger person and email her. We talked back and forth and I told her I wanted to work on things but to do that I wanted to know why she did all of those things, and told her I wouldn't mind seeing her but she needed to have respect that I couldn't just allow her around my daughter right away, it would be a slow process. She emailed me back saying I made everything up, it was all to get her kicked out of the family and even ended it with, "when I'm gone everyone can just jump for joy" She always does this as a scare tactic to my family. I ended all contact with her after that.  

 

Am I wrong for continuing to keep her away since she shows no change? I have owned everything I have done and said but she refuses. How can I rebuild a relationship that she does not want rebuilt herself? I feel too much time and heartache has happened to me and towards my daughter that I never want her to have to go through.  

 
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December 19, 2005, 11:15 am PST

Repairing Broken Relationships

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I've been having a problem lately that has really just gone too far. I think I have soiled my daughter, because she was the only girl, and now its coming to bite me in the end!  I am divorced from her father and remarried and my new husband will Not tolerate her acting as she has been. She has moved only a few miles away from me now, and yet she won't make any time to come drop by. She always says...Im busy mom!  I feel you should never be too busy for your parents. When the phone rings and its her, its Always Always about needing something. She doesnt call just to chat. She will call and ask me for money, a recipe or something similiar. Now, if we had a better relationship I certainly would not mind doing what I could to give her what she needed.....but I feel as if Im being used. Im almost certain that she won't buy me a christmas present this year.....and I dread that. My hubby says if she doesnt buy me a gift this year then I will NOT buy her anything for her 21st birthday in July. Period. He says she has to know what it feels like, and he refuses to see his wife upset because of daughters selfish ways.  Now I have gotten into the habit of telling her NO when she calls and asks for things.....but I guess I havent really told her how much she is hurting me.  I have in the past, and it just doesnt seem to sink in with her. She says because Im her mother I should still look after her. She is now living with her boyfriend. When I told her I wasnt stuffing her stocking this year..that her significant guy could do that now.....she got mad. She walked thru my home yesterday and saw the second christmas tree that I have up in my kitchen and said...Mom, you should give me that. Ummmm No.  So anyone have troubles similiar to this? I really hope to have a real chat with her this week. But I need help...please.
Do I ever wish you could talk to my mother. My sister is identical to your daughter. She didn't move out of my parents house until 25. She has lost her 2nd job in less then a year. She is having my parents pay her for doing little things around their house when they aren't in the fiancial state to pay her. I, being the baby of the family, at age 20, I am furious with my sister's actions. She doesn't think of anyone but herself. She has slapped both my parents on many occasions and would throw a fit if not given brand name clothes. It's a horribly cycle. I don't like to be negative but this probably won't be solved in one calm chat if she is anything like my sister was. You have to be strong and realize that it's not your fault that she is selfish. Maybe spoiling her was bad but she is the person she is and she will have to grow up before she realizes, and it will be a nasty road for her. You can't bail her out all the time. Be Strong! Keep telling her no, and for everything, not just sometimes. I wish you a lot of luck!!!
 
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December 19, 2005, 11:19 am PST

Repairing Broken Relationships

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This is my first time using a message board so hope it's not to sappy - couldn't  find the Dr.Phil, 

"How not to be sappy rules" - is that him saying, "Are you kidding me - haven't you watched my show"? 

  

Well here goes: my sister is manic/depressive and she denies it, she blames others for her problems so she won't get professional help. Her life is very chaotic & troubled. Our family has rescured her many times but she only gets worse. She's in her forties but wants to live like a kid without any adult responsibilities. My parents are no longer alive.  My problem is guilt. I feel so disoriented when I'm around her.  She was my baby sister and I'm heartbroken. I feel so bad about myself because I tend to want to avoid her now.  I've been through this with her before & I now know I can't fix things for her. I 've worked hard and have a wonderful life but I'm loosing confidence in myself because I feel selfish & worn-out.    What do I do?  I appreciate your advise 

  

On a lighter note - Hope this next year brings wonderful opportunities for rich and rewarding lives to all - Thanks again.  

   

I can really relate to you. My sister is a younger verision of what you are explaining. I haven't spoken to my sister since April of 2004 when she physically assaulted me while being pregnant. It's been a long road. My parents are alive and the whole family still seems to think she is the innocent one since she seems to be so thoughtless about her actions until afterwards, and most the tiem not even then. DO NOT let her bring you down. You and your family have worked to get yourself where you are. Be proud of that. I don;t know if the guilt is ever gone from wanting to help people that don't want helped. It's not your life though, let her live and live yourself.
 
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December 19, 2005, 11:28 am PST

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My son divorced his wife 23 years ago due to her adultery.  They did not live together after the divorce but did have a sexual encounter.  She wanted to reconcile but he learned that she was involved with at least two other men so no reconciliation took place.  She became pregnant and denied that he was the father.  He has a tape recording of this conversation.  In due course the child was born and she filed for support.  Given the tests of the time the child was six months old when his paternity was established.  My son was the father.  The mother has lied to the child since his birth, claiming, among many other lies, that my son left her when the child was born.   My son paid support  on time, every time for all those years and she consistantly denied his visitation.  They were in court on the average of once a year as my son tried to get visitation and she jacked up the support payments.  My son paid for half of the tuition to a private hight school and she had him barred from the graduation for no good reason.  He had paid  for the first year of college, including room, board and tuition as well as spending money  when she took him back to court and tried to double the weekly  support payments as well as asking for him to pay all of the tuition.  He agreed to this if she would allow the son to control the money.  This she refused and the judge threw her out of court when she was extremely disrespectful to the judge.  She and the son left the courtroom in high rage and ever since the son has refused all contact with my son, myself and all the rest of the paternal half of the family.  He claims that my son "owes" him "a lot of money." This woman is also a convicted felon, being convicted of trying to defraud the federal department of Housing and Urban Development.  This occurred when the son was 7 years old and the son knows nothing of this.  We have a private detective report of her drug use, promiscuity and child neglect when this child was very young.  The child knows nothing of this.  My son did try to get custody only to have it denied by a judge who thought the child should always stay with the mother. My son took the high road throughout this situation  and has never disparaged the mother while she has consistantly lied and blackened his name, especially to the son.  She even started a story about me, claiming that my son was fathered by his uncle instead of his father. I am a very moral person and everyone who knows me is aware that this could only be a malicious lie.  It has been 3 1/2 years since my son has seen his son or had any contact with him.  I learned where his son is working and unfortunately it is for the mother.  He will not even give me his home address. (I suspect that he may still be living with the mother, although he is nearly 23 years old at this time.)  I send him emails from time to time but he will not respond.  We do not know what to do.  This is my son's only living child.  He had a child from a previous marriage but she died shortly after birth so this makes the situation even more tragic. We are open to any suggestions.
I really feel for you. This is certainly a tragedy. It's sad to say that the only solution would probably be to wait. At 23 years old and a lot of negative stories from his mother he is still probably too immature to figure out the story on his own. Trying to explain your side of the story to him will only make him more against you because he feels his mother would never lie. In a few years after maturing he will begin to see the cracks in her story and hopefully he will begin to want something to do with all his family. I wish you all the very best and I am so sorry for your hurt.
 
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December 19, 2005, 2:51 pm PST

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Where I start? In my family we have all had to tip toe around my sister. Watching every word we say so she doesn't go off because once she gets started she physically and emotionally attacks, no matter what it's over.  

 

On my husband's bday she went off because she said Happy birthday to him while he was in a conversation with his friend, he nodded and kept going on with what he was saying. She went off telling him how rude it was of him to do that. She went on to tell him how worthless he was and how he wouldn't be a good father, emotionally or finacially. I stepped in being 3 months pregnant and told her to knock it off since I was used to this. She got irriate. She told me I needed to have an abortion because my child was nothing but a "worthless bastard" She called my brother and told him my husband threatened her, which he NEVER did, and I will swear on everything that it didn't happen. After getting off the phone she kept telling me to have an abortion so I told her I couldn't be like her, I wanted my child and refused to be a murderer (she herself had an abortion at 15). She then jumped up on a recliner and came inches away from kicking my pregnant belly. If my husband's friend hadn't been there, she wouldn't have been stopped since he caught her in the air. To say the least we ran out of that house. 

 

Days later everyone knew what had happened, but not the full story. She went around telling some people my husband pushed her, and others that he threatened her. She told everyone I attacked her, which if anyone was smart, they would know a 3 month old pregnant woman wouldn't do that. We never spoke after that. I decided then I couldn't be around her after everything she said. I wanted to enjoy my pregnancy and everyone kept telling me stories so I stepped back and avoided being in contact with her. My pregnancy was wonderful after that, I had a great birth and a wonderful daughter to show for. 

 

Over a year and a half had passed and I still never spoke to her. When I heard she had a miscarriage I decided to be the bigger person and email her. We talked back and forth and I told her I wanted to work on things but to do that I wanted to know why she did all of those things, and told her I wouldn't mind seeing her but she needed to have respect that I couldn't just allow her around my daughter right away, it would be a slow process. She emailed me back saying I made everything up, it was all to get her kicked out of the family and even ended it with, "when I'm gone everyone can just jump for joy" She always does this as a scare tactic to my family. I ended all contact with her after that.  

 

Am I wrong for continuing to keep her away since she shows no change? I have owned everything I have done and said but she refuses. How can I rebuild a relationship that she does not want rebuilt herself? I feel too much time and heartache has happened to me and towards my daughter that I never want her to have to go through.  

I don't think you're wrong for keeping your sister at a safe distance until she grows up and begins to act rationally.  I'm estranged from my entire family at this time due to awful things they did to me five years ago (& for most of my life).  I've forgiven them, but have chosen to not even try to reconcile since they show no remorse or have they ever tried to make things right.  Why make yourself a target for a known abuser?     I'd say give it a little more time, and maybe she'll come around.  In the meantime, I wouldn't bad mouth her to anyone in front of your daughter.   RE:  the lies.  The truth always comes out eventually, even though it may take awhile.  Just hang in there, and try not to feel guilty.  You tried to make the relationship work, but it appears that your sister is not cooperating.   I know of people who are so sensitive that it is like walking on eggs to be around them.  I hate situations that make me uncomfortable, so I avoid people like that whenever I can...but maybe that's just me.
 
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December 19, 2005, 3:05 pm PST

Sister...sister

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This is my first time using a message board so hope it's not to sappy - couldn't  find the Dr.Phil, 

"How not to be sappy rules" - is that him saying, "Are you kidding me - haven't you watched my show"? 

  

Well here goes: my sister is manic/depressive and she denies it, she blames others for her problems so she won't get professional help. Her life is very chaotic & troubled. Our family has rescured her many times but she only gets worse. She's in her forties but wants to live like a kid without any adult responsibilities. My parents are no longer alive.  My problem is guilt. I feel so disoriented when I'm around her.  She was my baby sister and I'm heartbroken. I feel so bad about myself because I tend to want to avoid her now.  I've been through this with her before & I now know I can't fix things for her. I 've worked hard and have a wonderful life but I'm loosing confidence in myself because I feel selfish & worn-out.    What do I do?  I appreciate your advise 

  

On a lighter note - Hope this next year brings wonderful opportunities for rich and rewarding lives to all - Thanks again.  

   

I know how difficult it can be to have a family member or friend, for that member, who is manic depressive.  (My brother is bipolar.)  You cannot reason with them if they're not on their medication, and when they get angry, you do not want to be within shouting distance of them.   It is often hard to have a good relationship with people like that, and if you do, you have to be VERY forgiving.   

  

I don't think that you're being selfish.  You sound like a very caring, loving individual, and your sister probably takes advantage of you often.  Withdrawing from someone who behaves badly makes sense, like withdrawing your hand from a flame so you won't get burned.  If she is wearing you out, I'd say take time out from the relationship until you're able to handle things again.  In the meantime, do what's best for you and your own family.  I don't think it's selfish to not help her out of every jam she gets herself into.  If you continue to do so, you become an enabler, and she may never grow up.  Be strong, use tough love, and who knows, maybe one day she will realize it's time to grow up and act responsibly.. 

 
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