Topic : The Meaning of "Family"

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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 09:16:57 am
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They're there for you when nobody else is, and understand without  you having to explain. Have your loved ones shown you the true meaning of the word "family" with their actions? Share your story.

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May 30, 2006, 12:59 am PDT

How old is too old?

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I've read on this site about adults who still live with their parents and don't pay rent or bills. Of course thats bad and unhealthy. But what if they are?  

  

Is it ok or healthy for an adult to live with his/her parents if they pay rent and bills and their own way? I personally think its great if an adult is close enough to his/her parent that they can live with them, but at the same time pay their own way. What do you guys think? Is it a good or healthy way to live? 

Well I've noticed that in the US many people have started to stay home even in college. Many people don't leave home at 18 anymore. How old is too old to stay home without paying bills? If the someone wants to live with their parents, at what age should they start to pay their own way.  

  

BTW in big cities such as New York City people often stay home a lot longer than they do in other parts of the country because of high housing costs. So staying home even into adulthood isn't completely foreign in all parts of America.  

 
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June 1, 2006, 11:01 am PDT

Dear Stepmom

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Ok, here I go with my first ever post. But this has been causing enough problems that I felt compelled to seek help here. My husband and I make up a blended family.  We each have a boy from a previous marriage and we have one together. Ages 9,8, and 4. My step-son lives with his mother. We get him every weekend. We have recently within the last 3 months moved about 2.5 hours away from him due to my husband being transferred with his job. We still are getting my step-son every weekend without fail and my husband drives the 5 hours round trip on Friday evening when he gets off work around 6:00 p.m. and again on Sunday evening to take him home. Now this is where the problems arise. He has asked the ex to meet him she just flat out says NO! He asked to go to every other weekend she says NO!! She basically wants her weekends free of kids. Now God love my husband for being such a good father that if she doens't want him on the weekends he sure isn't going to leave him there.  A little background on her... she lives with her mom in a filthy doublewide trailer. She is dating a guy and is never home with her kids. The kids are always at the trailer with her mom. She blames his grades falling on us moving and says that he is really upset by this move. When actually nothing has changed since we moved. We still get him every weekend. I wonder has she thought that maybe his grades have fallen b/c she is never there to study with him.  My step-son is a big boy. He needs husky pants and has short legs so he needs husky pants and to get them hemmed up. She never does this so he and his older brother (another child from a broken relationship) can wear the same pants. Sunday when he went to put on his pants that he was going to wear home he had to lay down on the bed to try and get them buttoned b/c they are too little. With the amount  of child support we pay this child should never be out of fitting clothes to wear. I wish I had time and stamina in my fingers to tell all of the things that I have had to watch him endure in the 6 years I have been in his life. But being the "step-mom" its none of my business or so I am told. Anyway, all of this has come to a head the past few days with my husband. After the "ex" called me and we talked about going to the every other weekend schedule or her meeting us, she blamed our moving on his grades falling (his grades haven't been good for a while by the way) I kind of got a little upset. I immediately called my husband and gave him the scoop on what just happened. He being the laid back guy he is just says OK. I am appalled that he would be so casual about this. I tell him that this has gone on too long and something has to be done. She can not be allowed to go on anymore disregarding my step-sons needs. He has been on this earth for 8 years and I have been in his life for 6 of them. I have a lot of heart invested in this child and no one seems to take my feelings into consideration. Last night when my husband came home I brought up the subject again. Lets at least try and get him for the summer I said. He yells, "We don't have money for a lawyer." This goes on for a couple of hours.... back and forth with the arguing. I can not beleive he is mad at me for trying to better off his son's life. He and I are at totally different places where this is concerned. If it were my son there is no way that I would allow them to live in the conditions that his son is living in. But I guess that is just it. Its not MY son. Its HIS son. And its HIS desicion. It just really eats me up though. Why does my husband see me as the enemy here when I am trying to help? Is he so frusterated because he feels like he can't get him from his mother unless he proves that she uses grugs or beats him that he takes it out on me?  Do I need to just keep my mouth shut? I love my step-son and I hate to see him having to live like this but unless my husband steps up what can I do?
Think I've been a member of Dr Phil's web since he started it but I've never posted questions for myself and until just a few days ago never answered any on the message board. You will be my 4th.  I'm writing because I care. As a stepmom myself I would tell you first, take a deep breath and a step back. I guarantee this won't be easy. LOVE your stepchild to pieces while he is with you and after that ...let him go. Our mothering nurturing instincts tell us we have to right these wrongs. But for all the trying to do the right thing you will lose, the child will lose, the marriage will lose, the children that live with you will lose and nothing will be right again. His mother and his father are responsible for his well being, Not You. It sucks but it is. It will take biting your tongue and going against everything your heart tells you -you Should do. No one (esp. legally) will listen to you. You will wear yourself out against a brick wall that doesn't have your name on it. I've been through the system twice ( two different marriages w/ stepkids) and stepmoms don't count. And someday that might be a blessing in disguise. For now, make his time with you and his dad the best he's ever had and just LOVE LOVE LOVE that sweet boy with everything you have in you during your weekends.  No fighting with dad, even on his behalf. That kind of tension will effect him (& grades) and make him feel like you are being 'mean' to his dad instead of trying to help him. ( Kids don't get that part ). Many dads feel stuck and in the middle of a no win anyway because (like it or not ) the fact is she is the mother. And if  you turn it into a battle with his mother I guarantee you will lose and mom will win in the boy's eyes no matter how she treats him. JUST MAKE IT ABOUT LOVING HIM WHILE YOU CAN !!!!!! Then focus your attention to the wonderful boys that live with you and hold THAT family together with all the love you have left.  Make your home the one safe loving place for all the boys, and for their dad , and even more- for YOU.  Love and let go, anything else will fail. And it WON'T be easy!  Thinking of you, Heart
 
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June 6, 2006, 10:04 am PDT

Daughter's wedding & sibling

Daughter plans to marry this year. Wants her brother , her only sibling to be in the wedding or play a part in her happy day. (if he can act right she has said) Her fiance  has not formed a friendship with her brother. Brother will be 20 and she only 23. He has been more of a problem than she but not perfect people here. Brother took an extra year to grow up and graduate high school this year. They have always been very close and still will be. This wedding may put a wedge between them. He has helped her and her boyfriend more than his family and brother. Fiance plans for his brother to be a groomsman. Should Her brother be a groomsman or what part should she ask him to do. How do we all just grow up and love each other and form an even bigger family.  

  

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June 6, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

Function dysfunction

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Please bear with me, as this is very painful to express. 10 years ago, I was raped by my Aunt's husband the night before they were to be married and never said anything. They had a party, everyone was drinking, I passed out and thought I was in a safe place (My aunt's house). When I woke up, he was having his way with me. I grabbed my clothes and ran out. So here I am, all of 31 years of age, now married to a man who refuses to attend those family functions because the rapist would be at the family gathering. Thats understandable, right? But for 7 years, my hubby hasnt came to any family functions, and it has really started to screw with my marriage, starting with the family taking pot shots at my hubby for not coming around (little do they know why!) So on my Dad's b-day, my grandmother kept belittling and berating my marriage and my husband, so I blew up, and the truth came out. The truth would've never came out if my hubby hadn't put his foot down about how he feels about this. Since I put my family in check, they obviously side with the rapist, and now I've lost the family I thought I had. This guy isn't even blood. We were a tight knit Italian family, but where's the love? My mom and dad told me that I should've just kept my mouth shut. What the f--- is that? Someone, anyone, what the hell is going on here? Yes I know I should've spoken up back then, but I love my Aunt so much, I didn't want to speak up and ruin her wedding day!

It is understandable that your husband wouldn't want to be anywhere near the man who raped you, but it sounds like you are placing blame on him (your husband) for the fact that your family is estranged from you now. You said that "the truth would've never came out if my hubby hadn't put his food down about how he feels about this..." but from what you describe, it sounds like he wanted to protect you from this coming out- because if he had gone to gatherings in the past, he probably would have said or done something himself. It is understandable that you love your aunt, and its understandable that you didn't speak up back then because you probably were in shock and disbelief. I urge you to seek professional counceling for yourself as soon as possible! When your aunt's husband violated you, he changed who you are as a person. Its time for you to take your power back!! You deserve to be happy and enjoy healthy relationships. Seek help soon!
 
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June 6, 2006, 9:24 pm PDT

The Meaning of "Family"

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Drop the charges and grow up and read some books Self Matters from Dr.Phil. 

  

Your father loves you and didn't want to go thru the trauma again with you, I am sure he thinks and thought of you eveyday. 

  

Where is your mom in this.. 

  

Be good and think with your head not your heart.  Your heart is probably hurting but your head is telling you your Dad will always be your Dad. He came and got you right away no questions asked he didn't have to do that. You should even apologize to your Dad and his wife.  I know its frustrating cleaning the house like Cinderella but in a way it was like rehad for you.  Those are everday chores having them in or out of your life(Dad and stepmom) you always will have to do these chores unless you wanna live like a slob. 

  

You betrayed their trust Good luck!! 

Be good love ya 

Mina  

Everbody has a right to their own opinion. But I certainly dont see this situation the same way you do. This child was abandoned by her mother and at the age of 17(still a child) her father abandons her. He is the one who should be on his hands and knees begging this childs forgivness. He kept her a prisioner in his home with the help of his wife instead of trying to help her establish a good life for herself. Im sure this childs heart has been in so many  parts during her life she cant think with it. When she needed help with direction in her life she was abandon. Can you imagine yourself in this situation. I pray this child will find somebody with a big heart in this world to guide her. The very idea that she betrayed their trust. HE HAD A RESPONSIBILITY TO HIS CHILD AT AGE 17 AND REFUSED IT. Lady I dont know if you call this thinking with your head. 

God bless this child. Her father probably wonders why she isnt an upstanding citizen with his influence. 

Rose Mary 

 
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June 7, 2006, 1:38 am PDT

This answer was perfect

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While I love my husband very much too and we're each others priority , we're also individuals with additional  roles and responsibilities.  Without question, both of us support each other in all our relationships and would be there for our children or parent... that's part of making each other a priority.  When our daughter had open-heart surgery, we both were there... she wanted me to stay with her during her recovery phase & I did.  My husband wouldn't have had it any other way and her husband was also relieved to have me there.  When my husband was on a business trip & had a heart attack... our daughter flew home immediately to travel with me to be with him... her idea, not mine.  And when my mother was dying, my husband not only understood that I was going back home to take care of her during her last few weeks of life...  he made the trip with me (his plan was to get a flight back home, so I would have the car -  then fly back to be with me when she died). I could have gone alone and gotten a rental car while I was there, but he was making me a priority.  As it turned out, it wasn't necessary, since she took an unexpected turn for the worse & barely lived long enough for me to arrive.  And neither of us would ever refuse to have a parent live with us, if they didn't have a home of their own.  But isn't that what family is all about? To live our own lives, but also be mature and loving enough to be there for others in times of need?  So who comes first?  It's a compromise... sometimes you, sometimes your significant other.  

BTW reading this answer made me understand that quote I was asking you about earlier. Thanks.
 
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June 11, 2006, 6:36 pm PDT

The Meaning of "Family"

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It is understandable that your husband wouldn't want to be anywhere near the man who raped you, but it sounds like you are placing blame on him (your husband) for the fact that your family is estranged from you now. You said that "the truth would've never came out if my hubby hadn't put his food down about how he feels about this..." but from what you describe, it sounds like he wanted to protect you from this coming out- because if he had gone to gatherings in the past, he probably would have said or done something himself. It is understandable that you love your aunt, and its understandable that you didn't speak up back then because you probably were in shock and disbelief. I urge you to seek professional counceling for yourself as soon as possible! When your aunt's husband violated you, he changed who you are as a person. Its time for you to take your power back!! You deserve to be happy and enjoy healthy relationships. Seek help soon!
I understand too, how you feel. I was assaulted by my own father at age 7 while my mother was in the hospital having my baby brother. I never told anyone either. My husband knows and to this day he does not like to go to family functions. He has yet to mention it to the family but I am waiting. I have finally told my mom about 6 months ago. But never have I mentioned to my father. I dont even know if he remembers the situation. I think my father was on drugs at the time. I feel for you that your family sided with the aunts husband. If I was you.. I would just cling to my husband and let it pass. Your husband is your future. Give your family time. Your husband evidenttally loves you alot.
 
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June 13, 2006, 12:14 pm PDT

MOTHER WANT STOP SUPORTING LAZY BROTHER

HE IS LIKE A SPONGE! TAKE TAKE TAKE NOW THERE IS A WARRANT FOR MY 75YR OLD MOTHER.BECAUSE HE WROTE HOT CHECKS ON HER ACCOUNT.AND NOW THEY EXPECT ME TOO HELP! I  PAYED FOR 3 BAD CHECKS LAST YEAR ENOUGH IS ENOUGH MY HUSBUND WORKS HARD FOR HIS MONEY.WE CAN NOT KEEP THIS UP.HE (BROTHER) HAS GOT HER EVICTED FROM TWO APARTMENTS I MOVE HER INTO .YET SHE WILL NOT KICK HIM OUT I GUESS  THE FEAR OF GOING TO JAIL HAS NOT WOKE HER UP.SHE HAS BIG MED PROMLEMS AND HE CAN'T EVEN GET HER TO THE DOCTOR.NOW I FOUND OUT I HAVE ULCERS FROM ALL THIS STRESS.IT HAS TO STOP GOD HELP ME I CAN'T DO IT ALL.
 
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June 14, 2006, 11:36 am PDT

Dear Spayder

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My husband and I have been together for 17 years and married for 10.  We have 5 adult children between us but all are independantly living out of home now.  (there are also 2 Grandchildren and another on the way, all his grandchildren).  He has 3 daughters and they crave his love, acceptance and some attention. 

  

He never thinks to ring them just to say hello; he never pops in to visit.  If he does speak to them on the phone it's because I have dialled the number and if we get together as a family it's because I arrange it and cook all the food.  But I am their Step-Mother.  They have a Mother of their own.  We have discussed this before and they have expressed their needs with him.  It has been accepted by all that most of their problems come from having a Mother who was not there for them as most Mothers should be and this has hugely affected their self-esteem and future prospects due to her downgrading treatment of them, by her. 

  

But I feel that if he made more effort and time that he could help that situation a little. 

He says that he is there for them for advice and helps them with loans etc, but I can't get him to see the emotional needs and he doesn't seem to know how to show it (he is the same with me). 

  

I have been there for them over the years to try and make up for what their natural parents lacked, but it is not the same, they need it to be from a parent.  As they are older now they do appreciate my efforts, but they still are starved of proper parental love. 

  

He says "well that's just me"  or "they are all adults now - they should know how to change things so that they can be the people they want to be". or "they know I'm always there for them" 

  

How can I make him see that he could make such a difference in their lives if he just did a couple of small things?  They just need someone to say "Sorry you had to go through that and none of it was your fault "  (meaning the divorce).  I did say that to the eldest one the other day and gave her a hug and she really appreciated it.  But my husband is the type to not be told what to do, and when to do it and also finds it difficult to admit he could have done better, and difficult to express emotions. 

  

I just keep telling them to try not to take it personally and that it's just your Dad and he does love you and that I put up with the lack of emtion from him too, but I know he loves me and he is really a good person. 

  

The middle one is at a stand-off situation with him.  She won't come to visit him because he doesn't go and visit her.  And when I suggest he visit her he says "Why should I, she doesn't come and visit me"  It's all so silly and very sad.  It makes me think that I don't know who my husband is.  I am so much the opposite.  I visit and ring my adult children all the time and bake them biscuits for the cupboard and go with them to appointments if they need my support.  I just don't get it!! 

  

He has watched the Dr. Phil show on this subject at various times, but nothing changes. 

As Dr. Phil says, "Some people get it and some don't."  As adult children sometimes we have to 'get it' that for whatever their reasons ( capacity or will ) our parents will never be what we want or need them to be. Sometimes we have to be for ourselves and it takes time. We have to look at our parents as people, just people, with all the flaws that people come with. Then we have to 'let go' of trying to hold them responsible/accountable for our perception of what we want/need from them as a parent. Once you can look at them without that constant expectation, you can decide to have a relationship based more on being in the moment - enjoying what is - rather than focusing on what is missing. ( Or NOT have one at all)  Many people reach stand-offs, then become angry bitter old people. Tell his children they are adults and have a choice. They can let their child-expectations go, or let their Dad go; either way it is their choice, but they deserve to find a place of peace with it . It sucks, but sometimes we have to hug ourselves, mourn our losses, nurture ourselves and move on.... with or without the ones we love.      Heart
 
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June 16, 2006, 2:59 am PDT

Kids!

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HE IS LIKE A SPONGE! TAKE TAKE TAKE NOW THERE IS A WARRANT FOR MY 75YR OLD MOTHER.BECAUSE HE WROTE HOT CHECKS ON HER ACCOUNT.AND NOW THEY EXPECT ME TOO HELP! I  PAYED FOR 3 BAD CHECKS LAST YEAR ENOUGH IS ENOUGH MY HUSBUND WORKS HARD FOR HIS MONEY.WE CAN NOT KEEP THIS UP.HE (BROTHER) HAS GOT HER EVICTED FROM TWO APARTMENTS I MOVE HER INTO .YET SHE WILL NOT KICK HIM OUT I GUESS  THE FEAR OF GOING TO JAIL HAS NOT WOKE HER UP.SHE HAS BIG MED PROMLEMS AND HE CAN'T EVEN GET HER TO THE DOCTOR.NOW I FOUND OUT I HAVE ULCERS FROM ALL THIS STRESS.IT HAS TO STOP GOD HELP ME I CAN'T DO IT ALL.
 Is there  an organization in your community that helps protect elderly? We have one in my home town that goes to bat for them. What if you became power of Attorney over her...then she would not be able to write those checks......just a suggestion.....Good luck!
 

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