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They're there for you when nobody else is, and understand without  you having to explain. Have your loved ones shown you the true meaning of the word "family" with their actions? Share your story.

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November 5, 2007, 2:22 am PST

Inspired

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My parents have done everything for me.. When I was deeply in depression they pulled me back out and made me a wayy better person..! They went through hell for the four years I was in high school, yet they never got anything in return.. What can I do, as a thankful son, to make up for all of the **** i made them go through in life?

What a lovely person you are.

Just to see one who admits putting parents or family through some hell and want to show gratitude, seeking advice on how to do so, really touched my heart.   It is a credt to your parents for as right there - you show off some good upbringing.

If ever in doubt seek TRUTH. Assess what it is you want to say or do and go with it. The best resent you could ever get is showing them change. Your behaviour, how you speak them, what you do - go the extra mile. Tell them when its coming from your heart how thankful you are to have such great parents. Earn some money somewhere and instead of getting that new cd, get them a voucher for a dinner. Cook dinner? have a bath run for when they come home. Clean the house as a surprise.

Just communicate how much you love and appreciate the efforts they invested in you.

Some other parents might of given up much much sooner..

Peace to you and your family!

 
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November 5, 2007, 2:41 am PST

The Meaning of "Family"

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When raised by people you find out are not worthy of your respect,

then you can realize that you can CHOOSE who you want in your life.

They want to live in the lies most of the world lives in. And being

Italian should not make it different. Sure, close family ties LOOK

Nice on the outside... but consider who you really WANT around

you, your loved ones, and most of all your kids.... if you CHOOSE

to have them.

 

I know a girl who is one of 15 molested by their father.... she now

has kids, so do the others and the molesting is STILL HAPPENIN.

So see the picture you want to paint for yourself, don't just apply a

smile like lipstick,  know the truth is for your future family's safety,

 

Or else it will happen to your daughter and you will be blamed by her.... get the point?

 

Be glad they showed their true colors now, and not after it happens to your kids.

 

Good luck, you can be LOVE without PAIN!!!!!

 

 

 

I back what Gods word says. When you leave your family (marrige) you cleave with your new family. They then become priority.. You should not have went to family do's on your own. Your poor husband didnt want to go because of what was done to you - yrs before. It was difficult for him knowin he has to mingle and socialise around the person (your uncle) who did this to you. On top of this, your family made fun of him not wanting to mix with your family?  I know you love your family dear and what happened to you is one adults fault. In your husbands eyes he probably feels you have pushed him away, your family critiise him and now your having maritial problems all because of what your uncle did. In my opinion, your husband has done nothing but defend his wfes honor. Your family whom you love and cherish so much and made such a priority not only disrespected your husband but now call you liar.

Nothing is going to change thier mind. Go home to your husband and show him how much you love him, get councelling for what the uncle did  and move fwd before that horrable act destroys your marriage.

Forgive him - not for him, for YOU.

 

I was so sad to read your experience. May God heal you.

Peace ~

 
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November 6, 2007, 8:28 am PST

I need advice

I have cooked thanksgiving dinner for my large family for the past 9 years.  After Thanksgiving last year my husband and I separated to try and resolve some issues we couldnt seem to resolve while living together. My husband immediately went to my family and told a bunch of lies (and some truths that shouldnt have been shared), and before I knew it, I was "black-balled" from my family. I finally decided that the only way for me to gain their approval was to go back to my husband. It worked, for them. I continue to harbor the resentments but have been still hopeful that things would smooth over. I have had a lifetime relationship with my older sister who is not happy unless she dominates every situation.  I have learned to accept that, but my meekness has taught her that she can treat me like crap and come out shining.  Sooooo... yesterday, my brother called and said he wanted to buy the turkey,  so we discussed when he would have to order it to get it fresh, blah blah blah... today I received this email from my sister:

Hello All- It's Turkey Time!    We wanted to let you all know that we will be cooking Thanksgiving Dinner in our home and would like to ask you all to share in this day with us. If possible we would like to have a head count so we'll cook enough food  (haha!  like we ever don't have enough food)   Love you all, Ruben and Shirley   When I called her and asked what was up with that, she said, "kathy, I havent even heard from you in a long time". really what she was referring to was that after the separation, and marriage counseling, I made a decision not to discuss personal matters with this person I used to trust. So I checked in every now and then to see how everybody was, and have kept our relationship very uncomplicated to make my life easier so I can concentrate on my marriage without much family drama. The next words out of her mouth were, "well, people have the right to choose where they go for thanksgiving, kathy". We both live in the same town, in fact my mom and all but one of us "kids" live in the same town. What should I do? After I had talked to my brother about the turkey, I had planned on sending a note and counting heads, never thought for a minute I would be competing with my sister for guests. Should I leave it alone and let her do the dinner? Should I cook as usual and invite friends instead? I think if I send my "invitation" out now that it will appear that I am trying to ruin her dinner. I dont want my family who I love dearly to have to choose between sisters, but honestly, I dont have the family over much throughout the year so I look forward to making a special dinner and doing something special for them at least once a year. I thought about sending a note that says "As has been the tradition, I will be cooking...." but that sounds a little childish and competitive. I want everyone's holiday to be nice. Many years ago when I moved back to my hometown, I was informed that "everybody goes to shirley's house Christmas Day", so I have conceded. Now, though, it appears she wants Thanksgiving too and I think she is a manipulative greedy selfish bad word and want no part of her. Anybody have a better solution than that? I sure would appreciate anything you have to offer!  Thanks!
 
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November 7, 2007, 10:44 am PST

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I have cooked thanksgiving dinner for my large family for the past 9 years.  After Thanksgiving last year my husband and I separated to try and resolve some issues we couldnt seem to resolve while living together. My husband immediately went to my family and told a bunch of lies (and some truths that shouldnt have been shared), and before I knew it, I was "black-balled" from my family. I finally decided that the only way for me to gain their approval was to go back to my husband. It worked, for them. I continue to harbor the resentments but have been still hopeful that things would smooth over. I have had a lifetime relationship with my older sister who is not happy unless she dominates every situation.  I have learned to accept that, but my meekness has taught her that she can treat me like crap and come out shining.  Sooooo... yesterday, my brother called and said he wanted to buy the turkey,  so we discussed when he would have to order it to get it fresh, blah blah blah... today I received this email from my sister:

Hello All- It's Turkey Time!    We wanted to let you all know that we will be cooking Thanksgiving Dinner in our home and would like to ask you all to share in this day with us. If possible we would like to have a head count so we'll cook enough food  (haha!  like we ever don't have enough food)   Love you all, Ruben and Shirley   When I called her and asked what was up with that, she said, "kathy, I havent even heard from you in a long time". really what she was referring to was that after the separation, and marriage counseling, I made a decision not to discuss personal matters with this person I used to trust. So I checked in every now and then to see how everybody was, and have kept our relationship very uncomplicated to make my life easier so I can concentrate on my marriage without much family drama. The next words out of her mouth were, "well, people have the right to choose where they go for thanksgiving, kathy". We both live in the same town, in fact my mom and all but one of us "kids" live in the same town. What should I do? After I had talked to my brother about the turkey, I had planned on sending a note and counting heads, never thought for a minute I would be competing with my sister for guests. Should I leave it alone and let her do the dinner? Should I cook as usual and invite friends instead? I think if I send my "invitation" out now that it will appear that I am trying to ruin her dinner. I dont want my family who I love dearly to have to choose between sisters, but honestly, I dont have the family over much throughout the year so I look forward to making a special dinner and doing something special for them at least once a year. I thought about sending a note that says "As has been the tradition, I will be cooking...." but that sounds a little childish and competitive. I want everyone's holiday to be nice. Many years ago when I moved back to my hometown, I was informed that "everybody goes to shirley's house Christmas Day", so I have conceded. Now, though, it appears she wants Thanksgiving too and I think she is a manipulative greedy selfish bad word and want no part of her. Anybody have a better solution than that? I sure would appreciate anything you have to offer!  Thanks!
I would be very hurt, frustrated and annoyed by this, too. Your sister has the need to control and dominate others, and she saw this as her perfect opportunity. What does your mother and other siblings think of this arrangement? Did anyone know that she was planning to have Thanksgiving at her home, or was this a total surprise?
It is okay for you to NOT go to Thanksgiving at your sister’s home, and instead, think about inviting family to come to your home for desert after they eat dinner at her home.  Or, you could go to your sister’s for the holiday and try to enjoy yourself; however, it will probably take some time to get over the resentment towards her. (I know that is how I would feel, anyway!) After the holidays are over, let your family know that you were very disappointed that you didn’t host Thanksgiving dinner, and that you would like to resume that tradition beginning next year. Period. Don’t ‘get into it’ with your controlling sister; simply make the statement.
Keeping your family out of your marital issues is the very best thing you could do. You are doing the right thing by making that decision, don’t allow your sister to bully you into thinking you made the wrong decision! I wish all the best to you, you deserve to have a happy and fulfilling life.
 
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November 7, 2007, 12:15 pm PST

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I would be very hurt, frustrated and annoyed by this, too. Your sister has the need to control and dominate others, and she saw this as her perfect opportunity. What does your mother and other siblings think of this arrangement? Did anyone know that she was planning to have Thanksgiving at her home, or was this a total surprise?
It is okay for you to NOT go to Thanksgiving at your sisters home, and instead, think about inviting family to come to your home for desert after they eat dinner at her home.  Or, you could go to your sisters for the holiday and try to enjoy yourself; however, it will probably take some time to get over the resentment towards her. (I know that is how I would feel, anyway!) After the holidays are over, let your family know that you were very disappointed that you didnt host Thanksgiving dinner, and that you would like to resume that tradition beginning next year. Period. Dont get into it with your controlling sister; simply make the statement.
Keeping your family out of your marital issues is the very best thing you could do. You are doing the right thing by making that decision, dont allow your sister to bully you into thinking you made the wrong decision! I wish all the best to you, you deserve to have a happy and fulfilling life.

Apparently at least my Mom knew, because  when I asked her if she was going to come for dinner, she said, "I think Johnny (my brother) and I are just going to make the rounds".  I asked her if she was condoning my sister's actions, and she said she just doesnt want to get in the middle of anything. Really she has allowed my sister to control her, and can never stand up to her. For instance, 2 years ago, I allowed my male chihuahua to breed with my sisters female.  I was clear and specific when I told her that its customary for a breeder to get pick of the litter. I also said many times that we needed to talk about it because it is not uncommon for a chihuahua to bear only one pup. She said, "its not going to happen, and I dont even want to "go there". About halfway through the pregnancy I found out I had a malignant melanoma on my arm and had radical surgery as it was level IV. While I was recovering from that surgery, my beloved chihuahua contracted parvo. He only weighed 3 puonds to begin with and the vet could do nothing, so he died.  My sisters dog had as youve probably guessed, only one puppy, a male that looked just like rocco. When i tried to contact her, she avoided me and was always too busy to talk. At Christmas, the pup was being passed around and fought over by little children who didnt comprehend the danger to the pup. I said, I think we better let the puppy get some rest with his mama, and put him in my sister's room.  She had previously told me he wouldnt be ready to be weaned for another two weeks. When I reminded her of the "deal" we had made, she said, well, we'll talk about that when the pup is ready to go. A week later, I found out from another relative that she had given the pup to her grown son on Christmas, and he lives about 300 miles away. While I was there on Christmas, everyone there had knowledge that that was to be my nephews dog, but me.  Her response to that act was "I just had to do what I thought was right for the puppy, after all, rocco died of parvo, and she claimed it was all my fault, and besides, her son had a liver disease and needed a buddy, and I didnt even want anything to do with the puppy on christmas because I put him out of the kids' reach.  So, back to the point, my mom's response was, as usual, "I dont want to get in the middle of anything", again unable to take a stand in my favor as always and afraid to tell my sister she was wrong. The saddest part was that my nephew got tired of the dog and gave him to a stranger 6 months later.  My sister continued to say she didnt do anything wrong. After not speaking to her for several months, I called her and said lets just start with a clean slate- after all we are sisters and life is short..........  between then and now our conversations were strained and superficial, clear up to her thanksgiving trick.  So thats why i say I taught her how to treat me. I have a constant fear of the cancer showing up somewhere else, but  I am not afraid to die.  I am afraid I wont ever get to have a relationship with my sister because I am so angry. When i die, I want my life to have been an honorable one where people smile when they talk about me. My sister has manipulated the thinking of others in the family, and well, I guess I am afraid of not being missed. I know thats pretty egocentric, but it is the way I feel. Thank you so much for responding to my message and allowing me the chance to get the right thinking going so I can move on and enjoy my life for what is it. It is not perfect, nor am I, but I am learning it is mine to mold and shape the way I want it to go.. Thanks again, Kathy

 

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November 8, 2007, 3:55 pm PST

sad doncha think?

My relationship with my father could be better. He divorced my mom (which i've come to terms with and understand), sends child support cheques to my mom for me (even though i'm 19 but i still live at home and go to college) and uses that as an excuse not to buy me anything, even when i ask for something i need he says, "don't i send your mom a chqeue every month?" well yeah, you do but have you considered that shes disabled and is unemployed and has no E.I. but manages to stay off social support? That cheque goes to the roof i live under, the food i eat and other neccesities that i understand and have no problem with. Sure she could use it to buy me clothes or school stuff, but then i wouldnt have any food that month, would I? I have my own job that i work on the weekends too, granted i could work more but school sometimes runs for 12 hours a day and i'm also writing my thesis. Anything i want, i pay for. If i need it and dont have money i wait till my next paycheck, i can't ask my mom, she has less than i do. By the way, my dad makes well over 60,000 a year (he won't tell me excatly how much) and lives by himself. When he visits my city (he lives in another province) it's to see his girlfriend that lives here which is fine, shes a good person, and we'll maybe go out for lunch or supper, but don't worry he's got the bill. It's a sad ordeal and it's all around money...well most of it......here's a good one.....I'm a pretty large chested girl, I'm 19 and i'm not what you would call skinny, but i'm nowhere near fat. whenever we go for supper and he has even just one glass of wine.....there's at least one boob joke directed my way, "you wouldn't need a life jacket! hehehe." jerk. it never fails either. It's just really kinda sad doncha think?

 
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November 8, 2007, 9:15 pm PST

the meaning of family is...

 respect for the most part. Ok let me explain my story. Months ago my g/f and I were at state line (near Vegas), and haveing a wonderful time looking through a collectable shop. Just enjoying out time together. We are also a long distance relationship so any time we spend together is of the most special. My sister called me, and said she was on her way there to pick me up to go to Texas to spend time with our family there. I told her ai was spending ti,e with my g/f there, and that I was not just going to go like that. My g/f was important to me, and the time we have any time is presous. She said fine be like that, and hung up on me righ there. My feeling were hurt to think she would expect me to up, and leave this wonderful women like this, and go. A week later I ask her, and she said she was just upset, and was sorry. I still do not talk much to her for this and other reasons. A month or so later she told me I had to move out because her mother inlaw was moving in after her father in law past, and only gave me 2 weeks to move. I had bee laid off a few months earlier or just after moving to her house. She charged me rent ,and utilities to so I had little to no money to save. My g/f had to pay for me to get into this apartment, and now I owe her 1,800 dollars for it. Please give me your opinion if I should talk to my sister or practice tough love on her. I just cannot get over the sterss she caused me with this stuff. Thanks for any advice you can give me. Randy from Gods country

 
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November 8, 2007, 9:23 pm PST

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 She did not even have her mother inlaw move in, but her son did.  I had had a hard time being strong with things in those days, but now I am just upset, and much stronger with these things. The fact that she would evn think I would dump myg/f there, and just go. ,and then tell me to move, and to lie like that. She acts like things are ok, and I am not really happy with her for amy of this. Any help to see the  picture here is so helpful. Thanks.
 
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November 12, 2007, 10:36 am PST

No understanding.....

Well I'll try to make this short. My husband cheated and has been gone for a little over two years now. My younger sister and I are closer than my older sister and me. when this happen to me she was there for me and understanding. I called her whenever I felt sad but at the time she was living with our mom. she recently moved in with her bf and I feel she has changed and I told her that things would change when she moved in with him. I don't have a license but did have a license when  husband was around and he gave me the confidence to do that. When i returned on mat. leave that was the day of my road test. I couldn't change or rebook it so now I don't have my drivers license. My point being that since my husband left I feel like no one understands.  She believes that I can get it again and she even mimicks me when I say I don't have the confidence to and am scared to drive again. I thought she would be supportive but she makes fun of me. I really really want to drive again but my husband put me in a position where he made me feel so low and to me he was my everything and he made me feel not worthy.

 

My sister is divorced but she was 19  at the time and found a really good bf that would do anything for her. She has no idea what its like to actually be alone....yes I have my children which I would do anything for. She hasn't gone thru the same situation as me.  she doesn't understand that I'm not HER and not as strong or positive as her. I am only me......my family just says to get over the seperation and move on. I just feel like I can't talk to anyone anymore. they just expect my to be better by now. Some people are strong but I don't think I am. Trust me I've come along way but now my sister just says stuff like.....you should be past this....or come one its over. She is secure and doesn't have to worry about he bf cheating or being alone. She doesn't know what it feels like to have no one to confide in. We don't even hang out like we used to...she busy. today we were arguing bc she says I shouldn't be afraid to get my license and just do it......that I want my kids to be in activites and then call our dad for a ride....I don't bother her for rides .....she always offers so why does it make her mad? She says I shouldn't be asking people for rides. If your going to bitch about it than don't offe...right? I'm so sick of people always thinking it is so easy to get on with life after your husband leaves........he was my first so maybe its a little harder for me.

 

 

 
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November 13, 2007, 1:46 pm PST

Sister/family relationships

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Well I'll try to make this short. My husband cheated and has been gone for a little over two years now. My younger sister and I are closer than my older sister and me. when this happen to me she was there for me and understanding. I called her whenever I felt sad but at the time she was living with our mom. she recently moved in with her bf and I feel she has changed and I told her that things would change when she moved in with him. I don't have a license but did have a license when  husband was around and he gave me the confidence to do that. When i returned on mat. leave that was the day of my road test. I couldn't change or rebook it so now I don't have my drivers license. My point being that since my husband left I feel like no one understands.  She believes that I can get it again and she even mimicks me when I say I don't have the confidence to and am scared to drive again. I thought she would be supportive but she makes fun of me. I really really want to drive again but my husband put me in a position where he made me feel so low and to me he was my everything and he made me feel not worthy.

 

My sister is divorced but she was 19  at the time and found a really good bf that would do anything for her. She has no idea what its like to actually be alone....yes I have my children which I would do anything for. She hasn't gone thru the same situation as me.  she doesn't understand that I'm not HER and not as strong or positive as her. I am only me......my family just says to get over the seperation and move on. I just feel like I can't talk to anyone anymore. they just expect my to be better by now. Some people are strong but I don't think I am. Trust me I've come along way but now my sister just says stuff like.....you should be past this....or come one its over. She is secure and doesn't have to worry about he bf cheating or being alone. She doesn't know what it feels like to have no one to confide in. We don't even hang out like we used to...she busy. today we were arguing bc she says I shouldn't be afraid to get my license and just do it......that I want my kids to be in activites and then call our dad for a ride....I don't bother her for rides .....she always offers so why does it make her mad? She says I shouldn't be asking people for rides. If your going to bitch about it than don't offe...right? I'm so sick of people always thinking it is so easy to get on with life after your husband leaves........he was my first so maybe its a little harder for me.

 

 

It must be very hurtful to have your sister mimic you and say things like “get over it,” etc. From your perspective, your sister is a positive, confident woman, but I want you to think about the possibility that she might simply be putting on that act for the outside world. Inside, she is only human like the rest of us!
Your husband’s actions must have been devastating, and it is understandable that you are having a hard time. You probably have good days and bad days. I highly urge you to seek professional help for yourself; confiding in a professional would help you learn to heal, to move forward, and begin living life differently. You said that HE gave you the confidence to get your license. Perhaps there were actions he took or things that he said to encourage you, but you are the one who actually did that for yourself. Don’t give him more credit than he is due.
I’m going to share a personal experience. When my ex husband and I separated, I was devastated. I cried and complained to my sister, to close friends- even to people I didn’t know- just anyone who would listen. As time went on, I noticed a ‘different’ look in their faces when I would talk. It became obvious that they didn’t want to hear it anymore; they wanted me to heal, to move on. I wanted that, too- at least, I thought I did- but I was stuck. I had become comfortable in the role of the victim. I was totally victimized by my ex, just like you have been- and I got stuck in that role. It was my convenient excuse for everything. (It has taken me many, many years to recognize and to admit this!) I could have become a prisoner to my resentment and my victim hood. But what kind of example would that set for my children? What kind of mother- what kind of person, for that matter- allows herself to continue to be victimized? The best thing that I ever did was to seek therapy for myself. I encourage you to do this, too. You have to think of it as the best gift you could ever give to yourself, and the best gift that you could ever give to your children, too. Having a happy, confident mother creates happy, confident children.
You said that your sister offers rides but then bitches about it. Now hold up a mirror: are there things that you complain about, while at the same time, you do nothing to change them? I urge you to take a good look at your own thoughts and actions, you are keeping yourself tied to the role of a victim. You can admit that you aren’t the strongest person, but do you have the desire to be strong, the desire to create change and attain happiness? Your sister’s words and actions are hurtful, but they come from a place that is well-meaning; at this point, she doesn’t know what she can say or do that will encourage change in you. You have to WANT the pain to stop, you have to WANT to create change. Do you want that for yourself, for your children?
I hope that I don’t sound to harsh. I have personal experience similar to yours and I’m sharing it because I wish that someone shared the same advice with me at that time. I honestly don’t know if I would have been receptive; I might have become defensive and even more of a victim, but I also might not have reacted that way. Again, seeking professional help is the best thing you could do for yourself. I wish you the very best, you do deserve it!
 
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