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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 09:18:00 am
Author : dataimport
Whether it stems from substance abuse, violence or manipulation, some family relationships are harmful and need to be terminated until the abuse stops. Are you involved in a toxic relationship?

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September 24, 2006, 8:03 am PDT

Fine by me!

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Well, I did tell my mother ;after her most recent cruel message on my answering machine in which she is crying and telling me I am making my children suffer and I am always mad at her and she is sobbing (and my daughter heard this before I could turn it down); that she is only to call on my cell phone so the children do not hear her unkind words to their mother.  Is that emotional blackmail or my right to protect my home and family from emotional daggers?

You see this is the person that raised me so I am a bit confused on appropriate ways to handle manipulation.

You're entitled to say I don't want to hear this sort of thing on my ansaphone - your ansaphone, your ears.  You are not in this case threatening to do something your mother won't like (move away) if she doesn't change.

 

In my view the reason your mother acts this way is because she is desparate to have a happy family.  As she hasn't been the butt of your brother and SIL's behaviour she doesn't properly understand that "peace at any price is no peace at all" (Dr Phil.)  She knows SIL won't budge so you get her crying at you because you are the pleasant, reasonable person who might be influenced. 

 

By the way my 15 year old son has seen his cousins on his father's side of the family about 7 or 8 times over the years despite the fact it's only 2 hours between our houses - my view is that he hasn't suffered but has been saved from witnessing a lot of disfunctional behaviour.

 
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September 24, 2006, 1:18 pm PDT

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 im 29 with two kids. my current partner has become a monster. he is verbally abusive and has been physically abusive in the past. i want him to change but he wont listen, he is constantly out with his friends and is only home when he wants to sleep. i use to have soooooo much confidence and take pride in my appearance but if i even attempt to get out of this bubble he is keeping me in he threatens to take my youngest son and hurt me. i dont feel that he even cares about me. its gotten sooo bad that i have been thinking about just grabing my older son and dissapearing but i will just die knowing that i will never get to see my youngest little boy. what do i do???????
You need to take the chance that his threats are just empty threats- mean, hurtful words that he throws out to get to you. Why take only your older son and leave- BOTH of your children need and deserve a stable, loving environment!
You said he isn’t even home unless he is sleeping- so use that time to pack up what you can and leave. I know that it is easier said than done- I know! When I was desperate for advice, I called the 800# in my phone book under ‘battered women’ (or ‘domestic violence’) and the person on the other end of the line just listened to me vent, then she gave me some advice on how to begin to get my life back. I was financially strapped, this woman’s idea was for me to begin saving up the change left over from after my grocery shopping and laundry trips. (at the time, I remember thinking, ’yeah right! That will take forever! But a plan is a plan, and just knowing I had a plan made my life more bearable.) Also, I began to pocket the money I was allotted for the kid’s lunches at school, and my kids began taking home lunch- after only 2 months I had enough money to leave. It was difficult, probably the hardest decision I ever made, but I haven’t regretted it.
You are the strongest female role model that your children will ever have- so it is up to you to model for your sons what is a healthy relationship. You all deserve so much more! I know you are feeling helpless, but you can make a plan to not be a victim any longer. I wish you the very best!
 
 
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September 25, 2006, 8:22 am PDT

DHS

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I have a toxic son, and ex-daughter in law. Both are addicts, and have two sons. One son is 18, and is now going to college, because his other grandmother and I care enough to see that he gets there. He has worked hard, and is a wonderful child, despite his parents. The other child is 14, and is currently being shoved from pillar to post, because the buearocrats at the DHS, refuse to do their job. My daughter would like to have guardianship of him so that he can have a stable homelife, as well, as a family. We feel that since he is fourteen that he should be able to determine where he wants to live. His mother has threatened their lives, has used verbal abuse, and pyhsical abuse, but the powers that be keep taking her side. I am so angry that this is the way it is, not just where they are, but everywhere. Who says that children are "better off" with the parents. If this is so, why do so many end up either dead, or badly injured, or in foster care for the entirety of their lives. When there are family members, who would be more than willing to take them and raise them as their own.  I fail to see that the Child Protection Services, are even close to living up to their name. I am sure that they have protected some children, but, it seems that in this day and time it is really a mis nomer to call them that. Read the news from Nevada, and you will see what I mean. There have been 67 deaths since the first of the year, by so called "watched and wonderful parents" Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get this child out of this situation. We have hired an attorney to try to get the guardianship. But, the mother has custody, and seems to be able to weedle her way around everyone to do with the system where she lives. She has been picked up for drunkenness, breaking a court ordered restraining order, and other things, but has spent no time in jail for any of these offenses. My son who is a crack addict, can't hold a job for any length of time, so far has not had any run ins with the law, but has lost almost everything he owns. I don't get it. I have tried to help him so many times, but it doesn't seem to do any good. Why won't they help themselves???????
Cant you supeona the court on behalf of your grandson, so that he can tell the Judge who he wants to live with? it does sound like both parents are unstable. Usually a family member will be taken into consideration first. Some children are "better off" with their parents, but in your situation, it does not seem this way. Also according to statistics, there are just as many children killed while in foster care. visit http://fightcps.forum.com/  If you visit this site, there are some people on there who can give you some good advice on how you can get your grandson out of this situation. As far as your son, you cant reason with someone who is on crack. Only he can wake up and realize his own mistakes and try to do better. And your ex dil, start documenting everything. I am really surprised that DHS is not taking this seriously. Has the 14 y/o spoke to DHS about any of this that is going on? See if your attorney can petition the court on behalf of your grandson. Good luck!
 
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September 28, 2006, 11:12 am PDT

Help with jealous daughter

Help!  My adult son(32)  in love for the first time.  His sister(36) is not accepting his new girlfriend.  The girlfriend moved in with my son after 4 months into the relationship.  Even though the rest of the family thought it was a little soon, we told my son that it was their business only.  The entire family really likes the new girlfriend.  They are talking about getting engaged.  We are all thrilled for them both.  EXCEPT, for my daughter !  She has been rude and distasteful to the girlfriend.  She says that she is happy for her brother, but that she does not like or trust the girlfriend.  She says that her brother has not had enough experience with women to be talking about marriage.  This has gotten so out of hand, that my son says he is not going to have his sister in his life anymore.  None of the rest of the family think that my daughter is acting very nice or being logical.  She really does act like she is just plain jealous of her brother and his girlfriend.  What the heck is wrong with her?  It breaks my heart to even imagine my son and daugher not being involved in each other's lives.
 
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September 28, 2006, 11:19 am PDT

Toxic Family Relationships

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 im 29 with two kids. my current partner has become a monster. he is verbally abusive and has been physically abusive in the past. i want him to change but he wont listen, he is constantly out with his friends and is only home when he wants to sleep. i use to have soooooo much confidence and take pride in my appearance but if i even attempt to get out of this bubble he is keeping me in he threatens to take my youngest son and hurt me. i dont feel that he even cares about me. its gotten sooo bad that i have been thinking about just grabing my older son and dissapearing but i will just die knowing that i will never get to see my youngest little boy. what do i do???????
When the bum is at work - you take those two wonderful sons of yours and leave !  You can march yourself right down to the police station - you do not have to charge bum with anything - and the police will refer you to someone who can help you !  No woman - or anyone - deserves to be frightened in their own home.  That should be a place for comfort and safety.   If your partner is not the child's father, then how the heck can he take him away.  He's living in a pretend world !!!!   YOU GO GIRL !!!!
 
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September 28, 2006, 12:00 pm PDT

Jealous daughter

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Help!  My adult son(32)  in love for the first time.  His sister(36) is not accepting his new girlfriend.  The girlfriend moved in with my son after 4 months into the relationship.  Even though the rest of the family thought it was a little soon, we told my son that it was their business only.  The entire family really likes the new girlfriend.  They are talking about getting engaged.  We are all thrilled for them both.  EXCEPT, for my daughter !  She has been rude and distasteful to the girlfriend.  She says that she is happy for her brother, but that she does not like or trust the girlfriend.  She says that her brother has not had enough experience with women to be talking about marriage.  This has gotten so out of hand, that my son says he is not going to have his sister in his life anymore.  None of the rest of the family think that my daughter is acting very nice or being logical.  She really does act like she is just plain jealous of her brother and his girlfriend.  What the heck is wrong with her?  It breaks my heart to even imagine my son and daugher not being involved in each other's lives.

All you can do is continue to embrace your son’s new girlfriend and go on with your life. When your daughter does or says something about the girlfriend to you, you need to find the strength within yourself to ignore it- your daughter could be doing this for the negative attention and because she is straight out jealous of this new girlfriend. When your daughter says something mean to the girlfriend in front of you, with the girlfriend there, I urge you to speak up for her. You don’t have to be mean or confrontational; simply say, “*daughter’s name*, please- there is no need for that kind of comment.” and then change the subject right then and there. You can be the hero.

Have you ever talked with your daughter and asked her straight out what her issue is with the girlfriend? She says that her brother doesn’t have enough experience with women- but that isn’t her concern or her business. If he is happy, then she should be happy!

 
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September 30, 2006, 3:50 pm PDT

get help now

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When the bum is at work - you take those two wonderful sons of yours and leave !  You can march yourself right down to the police station - you do not have to charge bum with anything - and the police will refer you to someone who can help you !  No woman - or anyone - deserves to be frightened in their own home.  That should be a place for comfort and safety.   If your partner is not the child's father, then how the heck can he take him away.  He's living in a pretend world !!!!   YOU GO GIRL !!!!
 I am very sorry that you and your children have to go through this. But your need to step and take action for your own part in this partnership. Don't blame you or your actions. Get out but do it wisely, make a plan and stick with it . Most people do not think they are hurting the children, but they hear and see and the try to make up for what is hurtting you. I have been in the same thing and it took me 2yrs. to know how much it effected my 2 children. I my daugther still remembers it and she was 5. Now she is 9 and ahalf. Remind your self that there are other fish in the sea and if you don't treat yourself with respect then they will not. lots of like and run and do not look back!!!!!!!!!!
 
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October 3, 2006, 3:07 pm PDT

passive agressive parents?

How does a grown child with a family of her own deal with a passive aggressive parent? Sometimes I feel like it would be easier to avoid a relationship altogether.  But  love this parent and  want change for his/her life.  This behavior is limiting their relationships.  Even with their closest family...kids and grandkids.
 
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October 4, 2006, 4:11 am PDT

I'm 44, male, never had a relationship or sex

I'm 44, male, never had a relationship or sex, got bullied at school, considered I 'must' be homosexual, and suffered discrimination as if I was, after bad advice to 'talk to friends'etc. etc. Don't really relate/trust anyone since then and have lost my friends now.

I've spent most of my adult life going through endless permutations of what could be wrong with me and finally I feel I've hit upon what it actually may be.

My father is a Type 2 control freak. Its been constant and domestic violence the norm at times. He has treated my mother badly and I feel I don't know her properly and I think its adversely affected my relationship with my sister. My ego has been crushed. Although capable, no-one ever sees what I can do because to me its 'showing off', dancing is silly, emotion is bad, sticking up for myself is a non starter, I'll cry because its beneficial and harder than stiff upper lip ie. I believe I have to take the hardest of choices based on logic. Hairstyles are for woosies, fashion is as ridiculous now as it was in victorian times and only manipulated fools fall for all that, etc. etc. In other word most of what others are doing within social settings I rationalise as ridiculous.

However I think there's a secondary complicating factor. Schools were Catholic, alter boy, choir, the full works. I grew up with a fair degree of isolation. A few embarassing situations occurred when I was young which I believe further affected sexuality. I wanted a girlfriend, and to 'get out' bad when I was younger and 'going through it' and it was the age of feminist radio programs of which I took great notice. In essence I think I may now be ashamed to like women on the basis of how they look. I always think I am treating the few women I have met with respect, but usually within no time a glazed look appears in their eyes, they rarely say much and then disappear.

Got put in prison at 17, unfairly really, was protecting others. Expected lawyers and police to do their job but they didn't, latter makin me sign for local unsolved petty crime that were nothing to do with me. Rather than defend myself I have an internal mechanism that makes me stoically endure hardship whilst knowing the people responsible were fools and unjust. Do the same with criticism. Trying to say I have a different approach to situations than others have.

Got into drugs, and in many ways feel they saved my life. At the worst moments amphetimine binging lasting a week would enable me to get through something. Although I do smoke cannabis, I can leave it alone quite easily and have done for months, over a year once, just to check. Currently nothing. I've rarely worked in a proper job, but I do work hard, but the monetary reward  doesn't bother me and I do many things for others for nothing as if seeking acceptance.

I've attempted to get help on some of this from many sources, and they all refer you on to somewhere else, or I'm too old or something that results in nothing happening and eventually asking for help and the explaining was doing me more damage than not. I also ran out of options to try. gave up, doctors have been worse than useless, consistently.

Don't really eat properly. Would prefer a pill, but trying to change this. Intelligent, not bad looking I believe. I stay in all the time on my own. Rarely see anyone if I can help it now. I build and use computers so internet is a crucial ingredient.

I feel encouraged presently since these two ideas do seem to make a lot of sense and feel 'right' for the first time ever. I could say a lot more but I hope this is enough for someone to give an opinion on whether it sounds like I have this right. What should/can I do. Am I a control freak. I never want to put anyone through what I've had to put up with or inflict bad genetics on potential children etc.

 
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October 4, 2006, 11:36 am PDT

Single male

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I'm 44, male, never had a relationship or sex, got bullied at school, considered I 'must' be homosexual, and suffered discrimination as if I was, after bad advice to 'talk to friends'etc. etc. Don't really relate/trust anyone since then and have lost my friends now.

I've spent most of my adult life going through endless permutations of what could be wrong with me and finally I feel I've hit upon what it actually may be.

My father is a Type 2 control freak. Its been constant and domestic violence the norm at times. He has treated my mother badly and I feel I don't know her properly and I think its adversely affected my relationship with my sister. My ego has been crushed. Although capable, no-one ever sees what I can do because to me its 'showing off', dancing is silly, emotion is bad, sticking up for myself is a non starter, I'll cry because its beneficial and harder than stiff upper lip ie. I believe I have to take the hardest of choices based on logic. Hairstyles are for woosies, fashion is as ridiculous now as it was in victorian times and only manipulated fools fall for all that, etc. etc. In other word most of what others are doing within social settings I rationalise as ridiculous.

However I think there's a secondary complicating factor. Schools were Catholic, alter boy, choir, the full works. I grew up with a fair degree of isolation. A few embarassing situations occurred when I was young which I believe further affected sexuality. I wanted a girlfriend, and to 'get out' bad when I was younger and 'going through it' and it was the age of feminist radio programs of which I took great notice. In essence I think I may now be ashamed to like women on the basis of how they look. I always think I am treating the few women I have met with respect, but usually within no time a glazed look appears in their eyes, they rarely say much and then disappear.

Got put in prison at 17, unfairly really, was protecting others. Expected lawyers and police to do their job but they didn't, latter makin me sign for local unsolved petty crime that were nothing to do with me. Rather than defend myself I have an internal mechanism that makes me stoically endure hardship whilst knowing the people responsible were fools and unjust. Do the same with criticism. Trying to say I have a different approach to situations than others have.

Got into drugs, and in many ways feel they saved my life. At the worst moments amphetimine binging lasting a week would enable me to get through something. Although I do smoke cannabis, I can leave it alone quite easily and have done for months, over a year once, just to check. Currently nothing. I've rarely worked in a proper job, but I do work hard, but the monetary reward  doesn't bother me and I do many things for others for nothing as if seeking acceptance.

I've attempted to get help on some of this from many sources, and they all refer you on to somewhere else, or I'm too old or something that results in nothing happening and eventually asking for help and the explaining was doing me more damage than not. I also ran out of options to try. gave up, doctors have been worse than useless, consistently.

Don't really eat properly. Would prefer a pill, but trying to change this. Intelligent, not bad looking I believe. I stay in all the time on my own. Rarely see anyone if I can help it now. I build and use computers so internet is a crucial ingredient.

I feel encouraged presently since these two ideas do seem to make a lot of sense and feel 'right' for the first time ever. I could say a lot more but I hope this is enough for someone to give an opinion on whether it sounds like I have this right. What should/can I do. Am I a control freak. I never want to put anyone through what I've had to put up with or inflict bad genetics on potential children etc.

The way that you were raised as well as your early experiences in life does have a lot to do with who you are as a person now. It is understandable that, at this point in your life, you are feeling like a ‘lost cause’ or ‘hopeless,’ but it is never too late, and no one is ever a lost cause- change can and does happen!! Change is very difficult; you have lived your life a certain way for so long that now, you don’t see many options for yourself. The only person who has any control over you is YOU. If you have the desire to seek a happy, fulfilling life- then you should go for it! You said that Doctors have not helped in the past, have you considered therapy? A couple of things I can think of for you to consider are cognitive behavior therapy and hypnotherapy. You deserve to be happy!
 
 
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