Topic : Toxic Family Relationships

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Created on : Thursday, July 07, 2005, 09:18:00 am
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Whether it stems from substance abuse, violence or manipulation, some family relationships are harmful and need to be terminated until the abuse stops. Are you involved in a toxic relationship?

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December 27, 2006, 4:53 pm PST

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I think my family is trying to kill me with all the stress they put on me. How do I deal with so much stuff I feel like I am dying inside and no one will listen, I know That we need help I just can't get anyone to listen What am I doing wrong
 
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December 28, 2006, 1:49 am PST

your not his wife

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That is a double edged sword... 

  

  

I would go to your step dad first, and let him know you know.  Hopefully he will be embarrassed enough to stop. Make sure you mom is home, and out of ear shot before you do this.  Just make sure she is home and in the house before you tell him. That way he can't go off on you.  (moms are very protective of their young )  I don't know what kind of person your step father is.. but I can practically guarantee you that your mom loves you more than him, and if he says anything bad to you .... tell her.  More than likely he will blow it off as no big deal, none of your business what he does, or be struck by the fact that you know.  He will definately want to make sure you mom does not find out.  

  

Sorry you in this mix kiddo. These are terrible things for kids to deal with.  

If I were you, I would tell your mother.  She is the one that should confront him, she's his wife.  It is not your job to confront him on a matter that affects the relationship between he and your mother.  She probably doesnt know and would probably want to know.  Evidently it is something she wouldn't like or he wouldn't be doing it when she's not around.  I have had to deal with this pornography issue with two different men I have dated since my divorce.  I found out that there was more to it than just looking at pictures.  If this is the case, your mother could be at risk of not only a heart break, but STDs as well.

 
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December 28, 2006, 6:28 am PST

Mom Vs. New Fiance

I'm hoping somone on this board can help me - and fast!

 

My fiance and I have been together for over 2 1/2 years.  When we first met I was finishing college and he was living with his parents over 7 hours away (he was 24) at the time.  I had gone "away" to school and he had gone to community college and lived with his parents all of his life (although we lived in sepaerate states and did not meet until we were 22(me) and 24 (him). 

 

Shortly after meeting and falling in love (4 months), we both found and took jobs on the opposite side of the country (together).  This was a hard move for both of us as we were very close to our parents, but this was a good professional move for both of us.  We spent two years across the counrty from our parents and they were great years for our relationship.  We did live seperately for the first 6 months as we hadn't been togeether all that long and I was a little leery of becoming his "mother role" after him living at home all of his life.  Anyway, we did move in togheter and he's great with chores and taking care of himself, etc.  While away, he did have some issues being that far from home and missing his parents, etc.  He would be pretty depressed for a few days after they would go home after a visit, etc.  We both did somewhat, but it was easier for me as I had lived at college for 4 years (although, only an hour from my hometown.) - although, I;m also extremely close to my folks and talk to them daily.  All in all though, it was a good two years in the new place and in those two years we fell deeper in love and got engaged.

 

Onwards, we decided to move back to the other side of the country to be nearer to family again.  We both found jobs in a city almost exactly halfway between our 2 hometowns - 3 hours from each set of parents.  This was 6 months ago. 

 

Since moving back, living closer to home again, and planning our wedding - our arguments have increased immensely!  95% of our arguments are over in-laws - who to visit when, have we seen so and so enough, do we ever get to spend a weekend just us in our city, etc.  I can't tell you how often we fight about this.  There have been some small tensions between my fiance and my father also but they are somewhat minor and basically consist of my dad not being ready  to share me with anothe rman and dad having a pretty dry, sarcastic sense of humor.  I think this issue is getting ironed out though - I think my dad is realizing he needs to make more of an effort with my fiance. 

 

I feel like a lot of times, my fiance would be happier if he could just move back into his bedroom.  He has made it clear in the past that if I had not come into the picture, he would move up north near his parents in a heartbeat.  I'm sure, besides me(i hope), my fiance would consider his parents his best friends.  And normally, I woudln't see that as an issue for someone. But we constantly fight over how often to see them.  He thinks every like 2 weeks we should be seeing them.  Well, i guess that's fine but I also still want some "us" time (something I miss desperately about our days when we lived far away and only had each other).  Another issue that comes out of this, is that we end up seeing his family more than mine (because if i don't pencil in weekends with my parents) he will book us up with plans with his folks.  So my parents end up getting hurt feelings.  **note - we usually spend whole weekends because it's a 3 hour drive one way to each parents house**

 

I just feel so trapped like the rest of our life is planned out so that we can spend equal time with everyone. His solution is we spend more weekends apart, me with my family and he with his - not every weekend, but I think he would be ok with every other weekend or one weekend a month apart.  And I just don't understand that.  To me, when you get married, you want to spend time together.  I think his family does put some subconscious pressure on him.  But for the most part, it's not guilt - it's him truly wanting to spend a lot of time with them. 

 

What do I do?  Are my concerns legitimate?  His need to be near his parents all the time is not going to lessen - will I eventually jsut accept this?  I adore my fiance - I probably haven't said that in this as I'm really angry right now (we just had another argument about this today).  But I do adore him and cannot imagine my life without him - I feel like I couldn't live without him. He's my best friend in the world.  Please, help.  We are getting married in 2 months - is this cold feet?

 

 

 

 

 

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December 28, 2006, 9:38 am PST

Family members have no respect or consideration

I'm not even sure where to start with all of this. All I know is that I needed a way to get it out of my system without subjecting my poor husband and friends to yet another rant about my inconsiderate and disrespectful family. I am 42 and married. I have two brothers, 40 and 35. My mother is in a psychiatric nursing home and is diagnosed with bi-polar, anxiety disorders and depression. She also cannot walk due to physical issues. She has blamed me for ruining her life since I was 12 years old because...believe it or not, I was simply born. She became pregnant with me unmarried and eventually my father stepped up and married her. To make an excrutiating long story as short as possible, I am my mother's guardian. I have to go see her even though 50% of the time she is still verbally and emotionally abusive to me. My father is the other person that gets this treatment, neither of my brothers do. Anyway, this xmas was her 3rd year in the nursing home. Last year for xmas eve the family gathered around her bed and ate dinner in our laps that my father had purchased from a steakhouse. I decided that this year we needed some sense of normalcy. I planned to cook a nice xmas eve dinner for my family and my husbands family. I went to see my mother for xmas on the 23rd. Everyone confirmed that they would attend my dinner, which was in the early evening, so there was plenty of time for my father and brothers to go see my mother before dinner, if they needed to do so. This had been planned since the end of November. My husband and I worked all day to cook an awesome meal. My father and one of my brothers didn't even show up. Not even a phone call to say they weren't coming. I'm sorry but I find that just a little inconsiderate and disrespectful. When I asked my father why he couldn't bother to show up or at least call me, he lied. He is a known liar. I witnessed him lying to my mother for years. He is sneaky and coniving and ultimately will only do things if they are convenient for him. He lied to me and said that my mother was very sick on xmas eve and he needed to be there with her. In fact, he went as far to say that the she was so sick that the nursing home called her physician and was talking about sending her to the hospital. How do I know this is a lie? Because the nursing home calls me when she has as much as a bruise on her. I confirmed with them that this was bs. Then, to try and make up for it, my father says he will come meet me at work and we will go out to lunch with my brother that also didn't show on xmas eve. I am blown off for that as well. I didn't bring any food with me for lunch as I thought I was going out to lunch. Once again, not convenient for him. These are just two examples of his lack of respect and inconsideration for me. There have been many, many more recently and it is only getting worse. Just to show what kind of person he is, when we knew that it was time for someone to become my mother's guardian, he did not step up to the plate to take that on. He insisted that I do it. Even when I wanted to get an outside party to do it because my brother (same one that didn't show) was accusing me of being up to something, he still insisted. I did it to help him out, to take the burden off of him, even though I knew this would likely put nail in the coffin of the feeble relationship I had with my mother. The day she was taken to the county mental hospital by the authorities, my father dropped me off at their house and took off. He couldn't even stand by my side because why would I need any support as the person having my mother committed. He didn't want to deal with it or any guilt. So instead, he let his child deal with, knowing that his wife already had serious issues with his daughter. How's that for a dad? Yet, I'm the selfish one in the eyes of my mother, brother and father. I'm so over my family. If I NEVER had to see my father, my other brother and my mother again it would be too soon. How do I deal with these people? Every stress relief technique I have tried simply doesn't work. I hate and despise the holidays because of this. They have NO respect for me, they have NO consideration for me. My father can't understand why I haven't come to visit him in several months. I don't want to talk to him, visit him or be around him. Every time I do see him he just complains as to why I don't go see my mother more often. So I can be screamed at for ruining her life? Like I'm supposed to want to go put myself through that. Other than waiing for my parents to pass away, and how terrible is that, I don't know what else I can do. I've tried to talk about the lack of respect and I just get brushed off, like how dare I feel that way. I've tried asking my other brother to talk to my father, no luck. How much more do I have to take before I can say the hell with you people, I'm done with you?? At least I feel a little better by getting this out. Whew!
 
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December 28, 2006, 9:46 am PST

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I'm hoping somone on this board can help me - and fast!

 

My fiance and I have been together for over 2 1/2 years.  When we first met I was finishing college and he was living with his parents over 7 hours away (he was 24) at the time.  I had gone "away" to school and he had gone to community college and lived with his parents all of his life (although we lived in sepaerate states and did not meet until we were 22(me) and 24 (him). 

 

Shortly after meeting and falling in love (4 months), we both found and took jobs on the opposite side of the country (together).  This was a hard move for both of us as we were very close to our parents, but this was a good professional move for both of us.  We spent two years across the counrty from our parents and they were great years for our relationship.  We did live seperately for the first 6 months as we hadn't been togeether all that long and I was a little leery of becoming his "mother role" after him living at home all of his life.  Anyway, we did move in togheter and he's great with chores and taking care of himself, etc.  While away, he did have some issues being that far from home and missing his parents, etc.  He would be pretty depressed for a few days after they would go home after a visit, etc.  We both did somewhat, but it was easier for me as I had lived at college for 4 years (although, only an hour from my hometown.) - although, I;m also extremely close to my folks and talk to them daily.  All in all though, it was a good two years in the new place and in those two years we fell deeper in love and got engaged.

 

Onwards, we decided to move back to the other side of the country to be nearer to family again.  We both found jobs in a city almost exactly halfway between our 2 hometowns - 3 hours from each set of parents.  This was 6 months ago. 

 

Since moving back, living closer to home again, and planning our wedding - our arguments have increased immensely!  95% of our arguments are over in-laws - who to visit when, have we seen so and so enough, do we ever get to spend a weekend just us in our city, etc.  I can't tell you how often we fight about this.  There have been some small tensions between my fiance and my father also but they are somewhat minor and basically consist of my dad not being ready  to share me with anothe rman and dad having a pretty dry, sarcastic sense of humor.  I think this issue is getting ironed out though - I think my dad is realizing he needs to make more of an effort with my fiance. 

 

I feel like a lot of times, my fiance would be happier if he could just move back into his bedroom.  He has made it clear in the past that if I had not come into the picture, he would move up north near his parents in a heartbeat.  I'm sure, besides me(i hope), my fiance would consider his parents his best friends.  And normally, I woudln't see that as an issue for someone. But we constantly fight over how often to see them.  He thinks every like 2 weeks we should be seeing them.  Well, i guess that's fine but I also still want some "us" time (something I miss desperately about our days when we lived far away and only had each other).  Another issue that comes out of this, is that we end up seeing his family more than mine (because if i don't pencil in weekends with my parents) he will book us up with plans with his folks.  So my parents end up getting hurt feelings.  **note - we usually spend whole weekends because it's a 3 hour drive one way to each parents house**

 

I just feel so trapped like the rest of our life is planned out so that we can spend equal time with everyone. His solution is we spend more weekends apart, me with my family and he with his - not every weekend, but I think he would be ok with every other weekend or one weekend a month apart.  And I just don't understand that.  To me, when you get married, you want to spend time together.  I think his family does put some subconscious pressure on him.  But for the most part, it's not guilt - it's him truly wanting to spend a lot of time with them. 

 

What do I do?  Are my concerns legitimate?  His need to be near his parents all the time is not going to lessen - will I eventually jsut accept this?  I adore my fiance - I probably haven't said that in this as I'm really angry right now (we just had another argument about this today).  But I do adore him and cannot imagine my life without him - I feel like I couldn't live without him. He's my best friend in the world.  Please, help.  We are getting married in 2 months - is this cold feet?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi-

 

Yikes! 

 

Please re-consider your marriage to this guy.  It sounds like he is totally enmeshed with his parents and this will be your future life, racing to see his parents every other weekend. 

 

Please re-read your own post.  Try to see what is really  happening here.   You are already making "excuses' for him by saying that he "truly wants to see his parents", and it is not "guilt."

This dynamic will not get better over time.  There seem to be huge issues involved here.  Please take your time to think this over.

 

You deserve to have a peaceful life.....do what you know you must.

 

Happy New Year and good luck to you!

 

ssoganty

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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December 28, 2006, 5:46 pm PST

How do I help family members in trouble?

Ever since my cousin was put in jail about 3 years ago his wife has just "shut down" in many ways.  She still gets the kids to school (sometimes with the help of other family members) but her house is filthy and falling apart, she has no job, and the kids are so attention starved they act crazed at the slightest sign of attention.  She has six kids, the youngest was born just after her husband went to jail and the oldest is in his mid teens and is trying to run the family, hold the only job of the household, and still make it in school.  He has really had a bad time of it from his peers because his father's arrest was very public.  My cousin is in jail for a long time but his wife seems to be certain he will come home in just a few months to be the head of the family again.  Other family members and I have tried to help her clean her house, do errands, get a schedule, find a job, and have even taken care of her kids for from a few hours to a few months.  None of it makes a change for longer than we are right there.  The state took four of the kids for a week at one point and they returned terrified of police, strangers, and leaving their home.  Since then any time we get word of an inspection we get the extended family organized to clean up her home and her kids to make sure the kids don't go through that again.  She has had three years and some of the family are just giving her up as a lost cause but the kids are going to suffer more from this than she is.
 
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December 29, 2006, 8:21 am PST

I don't measure up!

 I could not believe what I heard when I was visiting my parents over Christmas.  I was told that my adopted nephew (my brother adopted him after he married the boy's mother) thinks that he is going to live in my parent's house when they die.    My brother and his wife are now divorced but my nephew comes to my brother's farm and stays with him when he is in the area.   My brother lives a mile from my folks.  He took over farming my Dad's land.  My Dad is 85 and my Mom is 77.  Mom and Dad live in a house that they built in 1972.   My Dad said that if he and my Mom dropped over dead my nephew and his family would move right in.  I told my Mom if that happens, I would be done with the family.  I have three brothers and one sister.  My Mom and Dad have eight Grandchildren counting the adopted grandchild.  What are the rest of the grandchildren entitled to receive?  Does my brother get all the land and the house my parents live in?  My Mom said that I would have to go by the will.  This feels like a bad dream.  I figured that my brother would be the one in the family that would feel he deserved more that any other sibling.  My brother is at my Mom's house for lunch every noon.  If my nephew is visiting, he comes to the house for meals, also.  The nephew will leave his two year old daughter with Mom during the day while he is with my brother on the farm.  Maybe the nephew will get the farm after my brother retires.  I don't know anything about the will.  My parents are very wealthy.  They own lots of land and livestock.  I have never felt accepted in the family.  A cousin lived with us while she was growing up.  She bossed me around.  Mom will never admit that my cousin did anything wrong.  Mom and Dad cater to people that use them.  It is like it makes them feel good.  It doesn't matter what I say, I am never understood.  When my nephew comes to my parents,  he eats like a pig.  I noticed it on Christmas  Eve.   My brother, his new girlfriend, her son and my nephew's family all came for Christmas  dinner.  Mom understood that none of them were coming.  My nephew's wife stated that it is my Mom's job to offer people food even when they do not want anything.  Mom pushes people that are not family to eat.  It is nuts.  I am the only sibling that would make waves but it never does any good.  I am the black sheep of the family. 
 
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December 29, 2006, 9:32 am PST

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 I could not believe what I heard when I was visiting my parents over Christmas.  I was told that my adopted nephew (my brother adopted him after he married the boy's mother) thinks that he is going to live in my parent's house when they die.    My brother and his wife are now divorced but my nephew comes to my brother's farm and stays with him when he is in the area.   My brother lives a mile from my folks.  He took over farming my Dad's land.  My Dad is 85 and my Mom is 77.  Mom and Dad live in a house that they built in 1972.   My Dad said that if he and my Mom dropped over dead my nephew and his family would move right in.  I told my Mom if that happens, I would be done with the family.  I have three brothers and one sister.  My Mom and Dad have eight Grandchildren counting the adopted grandchild.  What are the rest of the grandchildren entitled to receive?  Does my brother get all the land and the house my parents live in?  My Mom said that I would have to go by the will.  This feels like a bad dream.  I figured that my brother would be the one in the family that would feel he deserved more that any other sibling.  My brother is at my Mom's house for lunch every noon.  If my nephew is visiting, he comes to the house for meals, also.  The nephew will leave his two year old daughter with Mom during the day while he is with my brother on the farm.  Maybe the nephew will get the farm after my brother retires.  I don't know anything about the will.  My parents are very wealthy.  They own lots of land and livestock.  I have never felt accepted in the family.  A cousin lived with us while she was growing up.  She bossed me around.  Mom will never admit that my cousin did anything wrong.  Mom and Dad cater to people that use them.  It is like it makes them feel good.  It doesn't matter what I say, I am never understood.  When my nephew comes to my parents,  he eats like a pig.  I noticed it on Christmas  Eve.   My brother, his new girlfriend, her son and my nephew's family all came for Christmas  dinner.  Mom understood that none of them were coming.  My nephew's wife stated that it is my Mom's job to offer people food even when they do not want anything.  Mom pushes people that are not family to eat.  It is nuts.  I am the only sibling that would make waves but it never does any good.  I am the black sheep of the family. 

This must be hurtful, but by the way you describe your parents, it shouldn’t be all that surprising, right? My advice to you is if there is something you truly want, an item that you cherish and hope to get when they pass, that you ask nicely for it now. Don’t wait until it is too late. Since you already know that making waves won’t get you anywhere, don’t bother; you need to find a way to accept this and be at peace with it. It sounds like your parents feel that all of their children are fine, that you don’t ‘need’ anything; meanwhile, this nephew needs some assistance. it’s a shame, because it is very possible that the nephew might not care for the place. There isn’t much you can do.

 

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December 30, 2006, 7:16 am PST

Family, who needs them!

 My one sister is getting divorce number five.  My other sister (who is married) is having a affair.  I think my brother might be gay.  My step daughter never hardly comes around unless there is something in it for her.  My daughter acts like she doesn't like me.  My mom is the family trouble maker and my dad has no back bone.  Thank God I have a wonderful husband.  I love everyone of these people with all my heart and would do anything for them, but I tired of all the drama.  Ten years ago I had the perfect  family or so I thought!  Why can't things be like they use to be?  We didn't get together for Christmas because no one could get along.  I'm so glad Christmas is over.  I think next year my husband and I will go away for Christmas and to h_ll with them all.  Any advice on how to help my family or should I just stay away?
 
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December 30, 2006, 12:45 pm PST

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 My one sister is getting divorce number five.  My other sister (who is married) is having a affair.  I think my brother might be gay.  My step daughter never hardly comes around unless there is something in it for her.  My daughter acts like she doesn't like me.  My mom is the family trouble maker and my dad has no back bone.  Thank God I have a wonderful husband.  I love everyone of these people with all my heart and would do anything for them, but I tired of all the drama.  Ten years ago I had the perfect  family or so I thought!  Why can't things be like they use to be?  We didn't get together for Christmas because no one could get along.  I'm so glad Christmas is over.  I think next year my husband and I will go away for Christmas and to h_ll with them all.  Any advice on how to help my family or should I just stay away?

Your family members have personal issues too deep for you to solve. You can’t change anyone, the only thing you can do is change the way you react/interact with your family and hope that by doing this, you might change the toxic dynamics. Its worth a shot.

 

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