Topic : Toxic Family Relationships

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Whether it stems from substance abuse, violence or manipulation, some family relationships are harmful and need to be terminated until the abuse stops. Are you involved in a toxic relationship?

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October 11, 2007, 9:39 am PDT

Great to see you back here!!

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Ssoganty,

So pleased to see that you read my post, you know when Dr Phil says at the start of his programme that 'this is a changing day in your life' well it was for me when I came here. I expected to find people in similar situations who might offer some advice but to really get motivated to change by your responses, not just sympathy for my position but real motivational help ' you CAN change  this by doing this and this', it came out of the blue, sometimes you really feel stuck in a situation and hopeless, especially when it's family and you think you owe them something. I was so ill I just didn't realise what it was doing to my body, strange things!! I thought I had a bad throat infection for months but on a visit to a hospital specialist it turned out that it was the throat of someone who was in trauma, which came as a shock, I didn't realise that I was doing that to myself. I think it was you Ssoganty that told me 'you have become your own abuser' which was totally right. I didn't even realise it was happening just getting lower and lower . Anyway here I am now back in control, back in charge of my life with a happy attitude and an interest in doing things again which had stopped, I was just thinking all day before, it was awful like a prison. I just want to give something back on the forum which helped me turn things around. Please have the strength to change what's hurting you, it will be hard at first but you owe it to yourself, YOU are in charge of YOU no-one else is and if they dont like the new improved you then you have to restrict contact or move on even if it is birth family with all their emotional blackmail - that's not love or respect and most of all don't do what I did and make yourself ill over it, they're just not worth it.  Love to all  Claire xx

Hi Claire-

 

WOW!! Your post is truly amazing about how your illness was actually caused by stress! 

 

You know, I don't remember where I read that about becoming your own abuser, but you have demonstrated  perfectly that it can happen.  I am so thrilled that you are becoming healthy mentally and physically. 

 

 BTW, I haven't seen ricschic on here for  a long time.  There were a lot of changes on the board and it frustrated folks, I think.  I hope she is doing well.

 

Thank you for coming back to the board to let us know of your progress and to cheer others on!

 

Best wishes always....

 

ssoganty

 

 

 
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October 12, 2007, 7:44 am PDT

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Hi Claire-

 

WOW!! Your post is truly amazing about how your illness was actually caused by stress! 

 

You know, I don't remember where I read that about becoming your own abuser, but you have demonstrated  perfectly that it can happen.  I am so thrilled that you are becoming healthy mentally and physically. 

 

 BTW, I haven't seen ricschic on here for  a long time.  There were a lot of changes on the board and it frustrated folks, I think.  I hope she is doing well.

 

Thank you for coming back to the board to let us know of your progress and to cheer others on!

 

Best wishes always....

 

ssoganty

 

 

I have been reading the posts from Claire and we do seem to have alot of similarities in our situations and I'm feeling termendously hopeful after hearing she is doing so well... am praying the same outcome for myself.  It is a LOOOOONG road and not easy by any means.  But, I have to say something, I've been suffering health concerns too and am now wondering if it's related to the stress of dealing with my manipulative mother and sister.  I'm sitting here reading this with an "oh my God" expression on my face.  In addition to chest pains, in which my doctor says are caused by stress, I've been having issues with my tongue - Inflammed, irritated, swollen... I thought it was a viral infection or something I ate but took note that it was not hurting for a few days and then my mom's phone call the other night came and I woke up in pain all over again yesterday!  I never realized. 

At any rate, many thanks for ALL of your help.  I know I'm a loooong way from being over all of this but my eyes are opening and it's time to change this mess and live my life the way I want to.  I'm sure I will suffer a few setbacks but I know I can always turn to some invaluable support that I am surrounded by. 

Many blessings to everyone on here!
 
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October 13, 2007, 9:20 am PDT

Toxic Family Relationships

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I have been reading the posts from Claire and we do seem to have alot of similarities in our situations and I'm feeling termendously hopeful after hearing she is doing so well... am praying the same outcome for myself.  It is a LOOOOONG road and not easy by any means.  But, I have to say something, I've been suffering health concerns too and am now wondering if it's related to the stress of dealing with my manipulative mother and sister.  I'm sitting here reading this with an "oh my God" expression on my face.  In addition to chest pains, in which my doctor says are caused by stress, I've been having issues with my tongue - Inflammed, irritated, swollen... I thought it was a viral infection or something I ate but took note that it was not hurting for a few days and then my mom's phone call the other night came and I woke up in pain all over again yesterday!  I never realized. 

At any rate, many thanks for ALL of your help.  I know I'm a loooong way from being over all of this but my eyes are opening and it's time to change this mess and live my life the way I want to.  I'm sure I will suffer a few setbacks but I know I can always turn to some invaluable support that I am surrounded by. 

Many blessings to everyone on here!

Hi Laura and Claire-

 

All this is so amazing!!  I have in my book notes a quote from "Courage to Change," from Al-Anon Family Groups:  "When the student is ready, the teacher appears," said by Zen Buddists.

 

We are all learning from each other here, IMHO.  That is the first step...to be aware of what is happening, then we can make the necessary changes to improve our lives. 

 

Just this week, I had an eye-opener myself.  I believe I suggested support groups to you...I have attended some in the past.  This week, the facilitator made a statement that totally would reverse all my years of slogging through the issues.  "Take the high road" she said.  ( In part....not referring to my situation per se, but a blanket statement which would also involve some denial of facts, which I refuse to do.)  It was late in the session, so I chose to not rebut her statement, but I have also chosen to cease attending.  The gal whom I was cheering on specifically, and I, will meet privately from time to time, however. 

 

I think the lesson here for me is that no matter what or where, I need to be PAYING ATTENTION to what is going on, what is being said, what people's motives are.  In this case I think she was meaning to impart the idea that you don't want 'guilt' after the person dies, but that is/was the purpose of all my hard work in the first place...to arrive at a point where I was comfortable with my decision to have limited contact with my aging parent. 

 

Sheesh!  Nothing's easy, is it?  Just when you think you have it handled....Boom!  Another lesson.

 

Thank you, Laura and Claire for giving me the opportunity to share and to grow here with you!

 

I send you both my best wishes..

 

ssoganty

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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October 15, 2007, 7:45 am PDT

thank you for that

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Hi Laura and Claire-

 

All this is so amazing!!  I have in my book notes a quote from "Courage to Change," from Al-Anon Family Groups:  "When the student is ready, the teacher appears," said by Zen Buddists.

 

We are all learning from each other here, IMHO.  That is the first step...to be aware of what is happening, then we can make the necessary changes to improve our lives. 

 

Just this week, I had an eye-opener myself.  I believe I suggested support groups to you...I have attended some in the past.  This week, the facilitator made a statement that totally would reverse all my years of slogging through the issues.  "Take the high road" she said.  ( In part....not referring to my situation per se, but a blanket statement which would also involve some denial of facts, which I refuse to do.)  It was late in the session, so I chose to not rebut her statement, but I have also chosen to cease attending.  The gal whom I was cheering on specifically, and I, will meet privately from time to time, however. 

 

I think the lesson here for me is that no matter what or where, I need to be PAYING ATTENTION to what is going on, what is being said, what people's motives are.  In this case I think she was meaning to impart the idea that you don't want 'guilt' after the person dies, but that is/was the purpose of all my hard work in the first place...to arrive at a point where I was comfortable with my decision to have limited contact with my aging parent. 

 

Sheesh!  Nothing's easy, is it?  Just when you think you have it handled....Boom!  Another lesson.

 

Thank you, Laura and Claire for giving me the opportunity to share and to grow here with you!

 

I send you both my best wishes..

 

ssoganty

 

 

 

 

 

 

And thank you for that... I spent ALL my life being told to "take the high road" and it's been a term that frankly  bugged the hell out of me.  To me it was "accepting" what is going on around me and rather than "reacting" to it, "take the high road" and say nothing is basically what it meant for me. And I was tired of keeping my mouth shut.  I agree with you in that she probably did mean that in the sense that we all must be "the better individual" but it's not always easy.  I, along with you, am struggling with the limited contact with my aging mother and trying to get past this gunk in my life so that I do not feel tremendous guilt when the day comes that she passes on.  Tough one!  Ugh.  But I know even if I do get past it and get stronger... my mom will have the last word, most likely in the form of a letter that she threatens to leave for each of us after her demise.  Something tells me this will NOT be a letter of praise.  Groan.

But I have to tell you, one good thing that came out of all of this is my bond with my OTHER sis (not the one my mother lives with) and my brother is stronger than ever.  We have confided in each other our feelings and have supported one another and it's so nice to have that. 

I know this is not going to be an easy road to go down and I'm ready for another "hit" from my mother at some point (she does NOT give up that easily) but I'm ready with "notes" on what to say and how to say it without getting myself too worked up.  I felt a bit beaten down last week after her mean call to me but then learned my "evil" sister was behind it.  She told my mom to call me. told her, "See if your daughter Laura cares about you".  I think the both of them are abusing each other... sick stuff.  Every time I think about it, it makes me nauseous.  :( 

So I'm hanging in there, still reading my  new "bible" (Toxic Parents) and just praying for the strength to go on.  I am fortunate, I have a wonderfully supportive husband, two good siblings and a bunch of amazing friends (both online and off). Hopefully in ten years, ALL of us will be crowned "survivors".  Hugs to you.
 
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October 15, 2007, 11:06 am PDT

Parents & Siblins

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And thank you for that... I spent ALL my life being told to "take the high road" and it's been a term that frankly  bugged the hell out of me.  To me it was "accepting" what is going on around me and rather than "reacting" to it, "take the high road" and say nothing is basically what it meant for me. And I was tired of keeping my mouth shut.  I agree with you in that she probably did mean that in the sense that we all must be "the better individual" but it's not always easy.  I, along with you, am struggling with the limited contact with my aging mother and trying to get past this gunk in my life so that I do not feel tremendous guilt when the day comes that she passes on.  Tough one!  Ugh.  But I know even if I do get past it and get stronger... my mom will have the last word, most likely in the form of a letter that she threatens to leave for each of us after her demise.  Something tells me this will NOT be a letter of praise.  Groan.

But I have to tell you, one good thing that came out of all of this is my bond with my OTHER sis (not the one my mother lives with) and my brother is stronger than ever.  We have confided in each other our feelings and have supported one another and it's so nice to have that. 

I know this is not going to be an easy road to go down and I'm ready for another "hit" from my mother at some point (she does NOT give up that easily) but I'm ready with "notes" on what to say and how to say it without getting myself too worked up.  I felt a bit beaten down last week after her mean call to me but then learned my "evil" sister was behind it.  She told my mom to call me. told her, "See if your daughter Laura cares about you".  I think the both of them are abusing each other... sick stuff.  Every time I think about it, it makes me nauseous.  :( 

So I'm hanging in there, still reading my  new "bible" (Toxic Parents) and just praying for the strength to go on.  I am fortunate, I have a wonderfully supportive husband, two good siblings and a bunch of amazing friends (both online and off). Hopefully in ten years, ALL of us will be crowned "survivors".  Hugs to you.

My mother favored my older sister and brother over me.  My parents celebrated their 63 anniversary before either passed away and they argued day and night all of those years.  Mother didn't like daddy or his family.  Beginning as a child she would tell me I was just like my daddy.  The brother & sister just like her and her side of the family. 

 

I am 59!  I worked so hard all of my life to receive confirmation from my Mother.  I worked all my life to believe I was equal with my brother & sister in her eyes.  It NEVER came!  And she passed away this year.

 

All I could say, standing over her casket was "I forgive you Mother"!  And I do forgive her because I do not want to grow older being bitter and angry.  But the scares of lack of self worth is with me and always will be.  I have to know the tools to overcome that each new day.

 

I want to tell you to talk with your Mother before that time but I know I tried to talk to my Mother and she just would not hear me.  I too had the sister "whispering" in her ear, and pretty sure my brother did as well, for their own good, of course, money was involved and they wanted it.

 

My evil sister manipulated the situation where I was not even involved in the decision process when Mother passed.  My brother passed in 2005 so it was just us.  It hurt so bad that I decided not to participate in Mother service, but had a private service with my family and friends.  Of course the service that my evil sister "put together" was all about her, not even Mother.  With Mother gone I just couldn't hurt myself any more. 

 

Sadly!  We CAN NOT change people!  If we could I would have had my Mother to know and tell me what a wonderful child, and adult I was.  I would not let her make me feel less of a child than my siblings.  I would not let her make me feel that I was bad because I was like my daddy.  Who was a wonderful man by the way. 

 

I regret trying so hard.  I wasted a lot of time (Life) on something that was never going to happen as it turns out.   I guess I could tell you to just "let it go".  Be a good daughter according to what gives you peace inside.  Then AVOID the situation as much as possible! 

 

I will not be seeking a relationship with my evil sister now that Mother is gone.  Too toxic.  Has been all alone and I just didn't want to accept it.  I choose goodness!  Don't you?  I choose positive!  Don't you?  Life is too short to give yourself to those who will not  appreciate you!  Don't you think?

 

Hope this has been helpful to you.  It has helped me to express myself.

 

God Bless!

 
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October 17, 2007, 5:16 am PDT

daughter gone wild

 I live with my adult daughter and her two small children.  I  moved in with her when I left my husband. I had nowhere to go.

Now that I am here, she has left her husband. That is not the problem. She asked me, and I agreed to keep her  children while she attends college and works.  Now, however, she wants to run around constantly at night. She has a boyfriend that lives in another town, and she leaves the children with me all night every time she goes out.  I have talked and fought with her until I'm s frustrated that I do not know what to do. She feel that, since I am here, that it is ok for her to leave after the kids are in bed, and that she can return at daylight. Or she will agree to be gone "a couple of hours" and then be gone until daylight.

Our relationship is very strained at this point, and I am at the end of my rope.
 
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October 18, 2007, 9:04 am PDT

I am NOT in a BAD RELATIONSHIP

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I feel so sad for all that you have endured.

 

You might want to check out the  board under : Relationships/sex

 

Then: marriage

Then: abuse.

 

There are a lot of resources at the top of the page  that could probably direct you to the assistance that you need and desrve.

 

Good Luck to you!

 

ssoganty

The story was about the way my Parents sucked. It did not say I am in a bad relationship. I have a better relationship than anyone in the world, We have been together for 10 years, in an open and honest way. We love each other, he takes great care of me, as I search for my career choice.... seeing my college was a waste and my trade turned out to disgust me on the environmental level. I just wanted to say that the way my Horrible Nasty Parents were has had an effect on my work. I will not destroy the Earth for money... unlike most people do. I have morals and values and self worth so "counseling" ME on relationships is not the issue...guess  that is just a common thing to say to people who have been abused, huh?

 

I have  my perfect weight, am sober and I have love for my mate, my pets, plants and Nature..... People must EARN any respect from me and living where I do, It just "ain't happening"  but I don't need crappy rednecked people to call friends, for they are not my "style"..... besides, why would I allow child molesters to be part of my life. I see it alot, and there is NO HELP available for the kids, I have called it in, but in the south that is how it is.    I would rather be alone and happy than with Fools and worried for their kids.

 

But thanks for the response, it just is not what I need.  

 

PS;   I am not even a credit card owner, by choice not by credit..... so I am really doing better than most.... just have to accept that alot of the world Sucks!

 

 

 
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October 19, 2007, 7:25 am PDT

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My mother favored my older sister and brother over me.  My parents celebrated their 63 anniversary before either passed away and they argued day and night all of those years.  Mother didn't like daddy or his family.  Beginning as a child she would tell me I was just like my daddy.  The brother & sister just like her and her side of the family. 

 

I am 59!  I worked so hard all of my life to receive confirmation from my Mother.  I worked all my life to believe I was equal with my brother & sister in her eyes.  It NEVER came!  And she passed away this year.

 

All I could say, standing over her casket was "I forgive you Mother"!  And I do forgive her because I do not want to grow older being bitter and angry.  But the scares of lack of self worth is with me and always will be.  I have to know the tools to overcome that each new day.

 

I want to tell you to talk with your Mother before that time but I know I tried to talk to my Mother and she just would not hear me.  I too had the sister "whispering" in her ear, and pretty sure my brother did as well, for their own good, of course, money was involved and they wanted it.

 

My evil sister manipulated the situation where I was not even involved in the decision process when Mother passed.  My brother passed in 2005 so it was just us.  It hurt so bad that I decided not to participate in Mother service, but had a private service with my family and friends.  Of course the service that my evil sister "put together" was all about her, not even Mother.  With Mother gone I just couldn't hurt myself any more. 

 

Sadly!  We CAN NOT change people!  If we could I would have had my Mother to know and tell me what a wonderful child, and adult I was.  I would not let her make me feel less of a child than my siblings.  I would not let her make me feel that I was bad because I was like my daddy.  Who was a wonderful man by the way. 

 

I regret trying so hard.  I wasted a lot of time (Life) on something that was never going to happen as it turns out.   I guess I could tell you to just "let it go".  Be a good daughter according to what gives you peace inside.  Then AVOID the situation as much as possible! 

 

I will not be seeking a relationship with my evil sister now that Mother is gone.  Too toxic.  Has been all alone and I just didn't want to accept it.  I choose goodness!  Don't you?  I choose positive!  Don't you?  Life is too short to give yourself to those who will not  appreciate you!  Don't you think?

 

Hope this has been helpful to you.  It has helped me to express myself.

 

God Bless!

It truly amazes me how many people have endured or are enduring similar situations to mine.  I believed my entire life that I was "unique" or "odd" (of course this was many years AFTER I realized my mom's alcoholism was NOT the norm, that the emotional abuse was NOT right), so it is very comforting to see I am not alone. 

Thank you for your response, I am realizing that nothing I can do will ever change my mom or the sister.  I know it, I see it... it's just taking a bit more time to BELIEVE it.  At almost 40, I have already spent much too much time and energy worrying about both of them, wanting to please them both and hoping we can have a healthy respectable relationship. I am slowly realizing that will never be possible.  They are one in the same in so many ways and they, in sense, are bonded by their toxic behavior (which is very sad).  With my own health being affected, it's time for me to pull away, to take care of ME.

I like what you said, it says it all... "life is too short to give yourself to those who will not appreciate you".  Words to live by.

Blessing back to you!! 
 
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October 22, 2007, 9:47 pm PDT

lost brother

Understanding my brother is like trying to fight an uphill battle. I just don't understand what drives him. He stays up untill 4am talking about how he wants to do good with himself by going to school at the local community college, and I am all for helping him. I go out of my way and schedule an appointment, and he doesn't even show up. That's just part of it though. This is about the 10th time he has pulled this. The other weekend he did a similar thing; he said he would stay at home and watch out dog for my girlfriend and myself. He just takes off to Miami and doesnt come back untill the endof the weekend. I love my brother very much and I desperately want him to succeed but every attempt is led on until it is just dropped. I guess the main problem is that i am afraid for his future and I don't think he cares at all. I feel like he thinks everything will happen for him and he doesnt have to do anything. I am torn because I want to give up on him but I don't want to be like everybody else. I want him to succeed but I don't know what to do.
 
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October 23, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

Hang in there

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My homelife was abusive from a young age. Mental and verbal and emotional mostly. I have been punched by my dad. THings ended up being good with us until I married a nice man and my dad lost control of me. My hubby works 80-100 hours aweek, I get to stay home. We have a really nice house. I have 2 children, one from a boyfriend 14 years ago and our toddler who is 3. My 14 yr odl was molested by an ex husband of mine. She has been diagnosed with bipolar, ptsd, and anxiety disorder. My parents wanted me to NOT press charges on ex husband for the molestation. ARE THEY CRAZY i guess so.

Then when my daughter was diagnosed with bipolar, they told me it was my fault and if my husband and myself would spend more time with her she would be ok. We live with her so we spend all our time with her...

I had to have her admitted to a psych hospital (not fun for a mom) and my dad said I should be the one who is locked up.

Anyhow things go tso back we stopped talking for about 1 year. I have begun speaking to them again but cannot get past the last couple years of the stuff with my daughter. Whenever I bring her up in conversation and what is going on with her illness they change the subject or tell me to go to schurch. I do go to church and do not get me wrong I believe and have faith. BUT a mental illness just doesn't go away. Why don't they get it,

I try to not talk about my daughter with them and then they say they feel left out. SO then I end up not talking to them at all.

Am I wrong?

I came from a similar home.  My stepmother was the violent one, my dad the passive one.  I have had to cut almost all contact.  When I go to extended family functions, I am courteous and friendly. Honestly, I cannot have any more of a relationship with them.  It is simply too unhealthy for me and then I start feeling unhealthy feelings, mostly pain from memories.  Mental disorder is not something to be ashamed of, its just another illness to be treated just like a physical condition.  How can a child feel healthy again and sane if the person who attacked them doesnt have to take any responsibility or discipline for their actions?  My stepmother and dad apologized to me.  It helped relieve some of the pain, but waves of pain hit me when something triggers it.  Bipolar is not something you "give" to a child-if its hereditary-thats not your fault either.  Heart disease runs in my family, but I dont blame my ancestors.  You are not to blame.  I go to church and faith and believing doesnt make illness always go away.  God does things his way and his time.  My advice is stay close to those that make you feel healthy emotionally and in all ways.  Always be kind to those who you cant be close to, maybe someday they will come around.  If not, at least you can live a happier and healthier life.  You are not wrong.
 

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