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Topic : 03/06 Etiquette Dilemmas

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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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September 18, 2007, 2:04 pm PDT

etiquette on airplanes

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Your child "behaved like an adult"....? How sad for your child. My daughter went through a stage where she would comment on everything she saw. She was not bratty, she was not rude, she wasn't even all that loud, but she would say goodbye to things, hello to things...she was fascinated (and still is) by the world around her and that should be encouraged.

When did kids being kids become bad? How SAD for this world!
I applaude you,  there is a time and place for kids,  close quarters or restaurants are not one of them,  not everybody appreciates your kids
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:05 pm PDT

great idea

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My husband and I would pay extra to fly on an adults only plane. Parents nowadays do not discipline their children at all and think everything the little darlings do is perfect. My daughter and I were on a Northwest Airline flight from Minneapolis to Chicago on June 3, at 10:30 at night. The couple behind us (especially the mother) read aloud the entire trip and the child talked loudly nonstop. Now most parents of a four year old would have turned off the lights and encouraged sleep at this time of night. The only "discipline" that came from these parents was to say "now honey, honor our family"!! It was a totally miserable flight. The entire plane load of people was upset. The only bright spot of the flight was that my adult daughter leaned over, touched my hand and said,"Mom, thank you and Dad for raising us right so that we didn't act like that".

I have also been kicked in the back of the seat for an entire flight, even after asking the parents to make the child stop it. I know a lot of people who would pay considerably more to fly childfree. I hope some entreprenuer takes note of this.
I'd pay a little extra for a child-free flight, also.  However, I think it should be the parents who have to pay extra for a child-allowing flight, as they are the ones who decided to have kids.  I didn't choose for them to have annoying children and not discipline them.  Just another thought.  If adults are expected to behave on an airplane or get kicked off and possibly arrested for their inappropriate behavior (imagine a 50 year old man from business class running up and down the aisles screaming or even just kicking your seat the whole flight), why then are the same adults not expected to control their kids???
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:07 pm PDT

a Question???

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My husband & I took a wonderful trip to Hawaii for my 50th birthday.  We flew United.  We went to the airport in blue jeans and non offensive t-shirts.  Nothing ragged or anything like that.  We had planned to fly first class.  The attendant told us that we could not go first class wearing jeans and tennis shoes.  She asked if we had any other clothes in our suitcase.  I told her yes, but the suitcases were on the plane!  We told her that our daughter worked for United.  She said that our daughter should have told us about the dress code.  This lady was very snotty as well.  Also, they switched our flight.  I asked whether our luggage got switched as well.  I was told that our luggage could not go on a plane that we were not on.  We flew to Hawaii (not in first class!)...........our luggage did not.  It came late the second day.  We enjoyed our vacation.  When we got ready to fly home, we dressed differntly so we could fly first class.  Guess what we saw in the first class section?!  There were people in jeans and tennis shoes!!  Go figure.

  I was wondering if the purchased your tickets for your flt on united or were you flying with your daughters  

     flt benefits???  If you were flying under your daughters Flt Benefits that allows Parents to fly for Free or a little surcharge then that is totally correct what the attendant did but should not have been said with a snotty attitude!!

 
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September 18, 2007, 2:07 pm PDT

There is nothing wrong with manners.

Sometimes I can't believe how amazingly rude some people can be today (and I'm not old - just middle-age).  I'm even more amazed that the same people (mostly young(er) people, I hate to say - at least in my experience) cite their crass behavior as their natural right as free Americans.  In this time of war, all of us, young and old alike, should be thinking about what freedom really means.  To use our freedom as  Americans as an excuse to be ignorant and self-absorbed, is just very small.  More specifically, for the poor girl who can't eat with her family because they can't bother with respecting her as a lady ... I feel for you.  I also hate it when someone chews with their mouth open, spits in public, etc.  I don't allow crass manners in my house ... and my family still eats with me.  I think that those of us who know the value of manners, should do our best to educate those of us who don't.  Call me arrogant ... but this is what I think.
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:10 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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Kyla, I am still on your side.  Why are victims always asked to take the high road?  Why didn't SWA take the high road weeks ago and you would have never been on Dr. Phil's show.  Do exactly as you please, because Corporations do everyday, and we Americans are too weak to fight back. 
VICTIM?????????????
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:11 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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You act like SWA didn't respond--they did.  Kyla's mother said so. It just wasn't the response or free tickets they wanted.
The response they initially received was rude and non-apologetic.  She obviously didnt just want free tickets since she gave them back.  If I had been called out in front of a group of people for being dressed badly  (basically being called slutty) I would have been mortified.  An apology that comes months later on a peice of paper after having been insulted and ignored by them is hardly sincere.  Its interesting that a short skirt is considered inapropriate by many on here when we see people broadcast on TV every day that have hardly anything on.  When Im flying, I cant even see what other people are wearing except for the person beside me and Im hardly bending over trying to see if I could see up there clothes.  The incident was handled poorly and if an airline wants to have a dress code (which they have a right to) they need to make it clear to people before people shell out hundreds of dollars.  Anyone with knowledge of large corporations knows that this "apology" will not do anything to change airline treatment of this matter.  While it may bring the issue to light for a couple of months it will not ultimately lead to change that will prevent people from being embarrased (after paying money) again.  The only way to do that is with a lawsuit that demands an airline have a dresscode in advance of ticket sales.  I thought it was shamefull that Dr. Phil acted that way with Kayla and tried to press her on a legal decision.
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

Bad Eating Habits

How come there was no focus on the horrible eating habits and only that the mother should get over it??
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:14 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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I agree with Dr. Phil.  Accept the apology and get on with your life.  What is this girl after?  She surely didn't act hurt or humiliated to me when I saw her on the show.  I wonder how she would have felt if she had to sit next to a man who was barfing all the way from Denver to San Antonio, as I had to do, and it wasn't on Southwest Airlines either.  The stewardess gave him a BAG to barf in and told me he knew he got airsick and had JUST taken a dramamine.  They gave his wife a bag of ice so she could put it on his neck and then asked me if I would sit by the window, instead of my assigned aisle seat, which was in the last row of the plane.  She thinks she had it bad?  I couldn't believe that I endured THAT!!  And, NO, I didn't change seats with him or his wife!!!  Thanks to all the people who parted in the aisle and let me get OFF first!!

 
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September 18, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

MOVE ON!

 Thank goodness Dr. Phil told Kyla what a lot of us are thinking.  She is out for the pay day and publicity.  I wish she would accept the apology and move on.  I agree with Dr. Phil I don't want my tax dollars going to litigate such a frivolous lawsuit.   Maybe she doesn't like the way it was handled by the flight attendant, but enough is enough already.   I'm tired of Kyla's whining.
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

Not the same outfit

All pictures I've seen of the outfit have been AFTER she pulled up the neckline and pulled down the skirt.  So it's ridiculous for people to say "that outfit is fine" when they are looking at the adjusted look.

 

If they don't have a BEFORE picture, they should ask her to put it on again the same way it was before she adjusted it, for some semblance of what must have caused the turmoil.

 

Gina

 
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