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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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September 20, 2007, 6:04 am PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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  The crunching makes my teeth hurt even if the person is across the room.  Someone told me that people chew ice because of an iron deficiency.  I've suggested to a couple of people and when they started on vitamins with iron they stopped crunching. One of them also craved dirt and charcoal when she was pregnant.

I've heard about what you're talking about with the woman who craved dirt & charcol while pregant. It's a disease called Pica. A easy way to remember it, is just think of Pikachu. It's a craving for non-foods, and it isn't that odd for it to happen with pregnant women.
 
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September 20, 2007, 6:10 am PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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Dr Phil, you were way off base with your solution for the woman who was being driven crazy by her etiquette challenged family.  First of all, it is RUDE to pop gum.  I realize millions of people are doing it, but it is quite rude - especially if it is bothering someone.  Secondly, this lady does not have a stress related problem, but a case of hyperacusis.  Most health professionals don't know about this syndrome, which was diagnosed in 1995.  One of the forms of hyperacusis is called Super Sound Sensitivity Syndrome or "4 S."  Hyperacusis is a problem with the inner ear in which a person hears sounds differently than the average bear.  I have it and I can hear the smallest sounds, while those around me cannot.  I can hear the lightest sound, like the tiny sounds going on in the inside of the ceiling fan, although my husband can't hear it at all.  Since he can't hear it, he can't understand why it bothers me, but it keeps me awake at night.  When I discovered this syndrom online, I realized I have always had this and the truth is that I have a light case.  Other people who have this syndrome are nearly driven crazy by every day sounds.  I have figured out a way to manage my syndrome.  I buy soft yellow foam earplugs and I use them to filter out these annoying sounds.  For example, I can't stand going to the movies and trying to focus on the movie while people are talking, chewing gum, crunching ice and popcorn, so I put earplugs in while I am watching the movie.  I can still hear everything that is said, but without all the little sounds that are in the theatre.  When my husband is eating I put an earplug in my left ear if he is sitting to my left and that dulls down the sound of his eating so that it doesn't bother me.  I keep earplugs in my car, my purse, beside the bed and wherever I might need them.  If something is bothering me, I don't yell at anyone or get upset, I just go into the bathroom, pop in a couple of earplugs, and then go out and enjoy my family.  I don't beat up on  myself because I know that I have hyperacusis and that I am doing what I need to do to keep myself comfortable.  This is absolutely NOT a psychological condition.  It is a physical condition of the inner ear.  It may be worse when someone is stress, but destressing someone is not going to make the condition disappear.  I'm not going to get on you too much about the fact that you didn't do your homework well enough on this before your show, Dr Phi, but it would be nice if you contacted that poor woman and let her know that this is not the result of a stress problem.  And, again, it is RUDE and disrespectful for anyone to pop gum at their mother or anyone else just to be annoying.  Gum popping is rude, so kids should only be doing it when they are around someone who isn't annoyed by it - like another 12 year old.  http://hyperacusis.net/ 
How do you keep earplugs in your ears. Mine always fall out when I open my mouth.
 
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September 20, 2007, 6:12 am PDT

Kayla ain't no Brittney

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I happen to see Kyla on the Today show with her mother and attorney. Matt interviewed her for several minutes in a close up shot. She was then asked to stand up and show the "outfit" she was wearing on that fateful day. The outfit was nice, the skirt in my opinion was a bit short, but what bothered me, was when she sat down, you could see her underwear; perhaps this was the situation on the plane. Was a family exposed to her exposure, and in trying to protect someone's innocence, did they complain?

 

Kyla said to begin with, she just wanted an apology...but now they are contemplating whether or not to file a lawsuit....is this another situation where a child being told "no" throws a tantrum and we are going to give into that "fit" ???? Our society has become a "I can do what I want no matter what"....laws are blatantly broken and another attorney makes more money and a name for themselves by defending a wrong doing. We need to start thinking others "rights"  as much as we think about our own...it may change society a little.

Kyla got her apology.  But she's no Brittney.  As soon as this dies down, her 16 minutes of fame will be over.  Papparotzi (excuse the spelling), have taken worse pictures of Brittney and Paris.  Sometimes without underwear & drunk off their skull or higher than a kite. 

 

When Dr. Phil handed Kyla tickets for Southwest she was all smiles and thankful, ready to fly.  Then Virgin airlines handed her two tickets and thanked them.  After looking at her attorney Kyla gave back the South-west tickets.  I don't understand that move. 

 

I'm sorry to say this.  And I know my ignorance will get the best of me, but when I see passengers walking in turbins and other foreign gab, I am more fearful over that than a mini skirt and some Carter underwear sticking out under a short skirt.

 

Pearlhanna

 
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September 20, 2007, 6:56 am PDT

To Joan

Have you actually been diagnosed with having super sensitive hearing? I'm not trying to minimize anything, This is why I ask.

 

Watching the tape of your family's habits (bad manners) strikes me as just plan inconsiderate. They would drive me crazy! In fact, my husband and his family drive me crazy whenever we eat together. They all chew their food with mouths wide open. They suck, slurp, and shovel their food into their mouths. They hold their forks just like a shovel and lean over their plate as if they are protecting their "kill". I know that this is not just my imagination since our three boys notice their dad's bad manners and I have had friends comment about him as well. When he puts a piece of gum in his mouth, I cringe. He chews it with his mouth open the whole time. The noise is simply disgusting. I have tried to chew gum or food the way he does and I can't. It takes more work to chew with my mouth open than it does closed. I've given up saying anything to him because all he does is pout like a child when I ask him to chew with his mouth closed.

 

I don't think you are crazy at all. Has anyone else ever made comments to you about your family's manners? If they have, then it's your family and not you that's needs fixing.

 
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September 20, 2007, 7:10 am PDT

On Kayla

I saw her on Today and noticed she was glued to the couch.  She had to be.  If she had moved she would have exposed herself.  Her skirt was too short.  I am not sure how much she would have exposed if she had removed the sweater.  The outfit is cute for a bar, but not for family viewing.  There are times and places for everything.

   A lawsuit is also overexposure.   When it happens, I hope no mention is made beyond the initial filing.

 
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September 20, 2007, 7:33 am PDT

Kyla Kashing in

Kyla kept saying on every show she"just wanted an apology" Well I guess we all know what she really wants now,dont we?$$$$$ The employees didn't handle it right,happens. If she was at her job and screwed up and nobody got injured or killed would she expect her company to payout big bucks ? It's all about the dollar these days,what happen to the principle? She found her chance to cash in and not have to work for it. I felt bad that it happen to her ,but not anymore,maybe she planned it all along.
 
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September 20, 2007, 7:53 am PDT

No kid zone

I have kids and grandkids,and I still don't want other peoples kids sitting by me when I go out to eat. When I used to take my kids out I took them to kid friendly places and at earlier times. I think there should be kid-free zones everywhere. When i go out without kids I don't want others disturbing me. Last night somebodies kid kept throwing it's fork over the seat and standing up behind me dropping food. It may have been "cute" to them ,but I went out Kid free for a reason. Last time I went to a late movie,there were kids acting up the whole time. I think companies should take a look at this and cater to the ever increasing kidless market. I would gladly pay a little more to eliminate the stress.
 
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September 20, 2007, 7:56 am PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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First off - my family and I grew up traveling - as did a few of my friends - our parents are immigrants so we spent summers in Ireland - and that is a long flight for a kid.  Airlines made sure to seat us around other kids who were also flying and in that front row where you can place infants. Each of us was responsible for keeping the younger ones entertained.

 

As an adult who travels I can tell you that there is NOTHING more annoying that someone else's child who is a pain in the you know what - crying, unhappy, fidgeting, whining, bored, talkatie.  Someone else's child is usually only cute for 30 seconds then you want to get back to your book, magazine, movie or husband - not chat witha 19 month old child and not have to listen to him chat to the world for the next couple hours.

 

We all pay good money to travel and it's usually the beginning or the end of our holidays -- and that's no way to start off or end up - it is simply NOT enjoyable. So if you aren't able to entertain your own child for the next 6 hours, drive.

 

Kate, your child like all the other passengers spent 11 hours stuck at the airport - as did the airline staff of course.  DIdn't it enter your head that perhaps that was simply too long a day for the child and that there was no way he was going to handle a few more hours on a plane? Yes - you wanted to see your dad - but sometimes when life throws you a curve ball you have to swing and miss at it - and it probably would have been so much better for everyone all around if you had done the smart thing, taken your child home for a good night's rest and flown out tomorrow.  Was the stewardess nice to you? Not really - she was annoyed and should have handled it better. They also aren't just waitresses in the sky -- their more important and urgent duty is to make sure that the cabin is secured for safety during takeoff, that the passengers are well secured and that then they show the passengers what to do in case of an emergency. Your child who to you is just the cutest most adorable smartest little fella in the whole world wasn't looking too cute to more than a few people I can assure you and not just the stewardess. She could have handled herself better - you could have been smarter about the entire situation and taking your son home for a good night's rest and he'd have been a much happier camper and might not have chatted so much to those around him. It's not just you on that plane - there are a couple hundred people flying with you - and having a child flying with you means it is YOUR responsibility to make sure he is well-behaved and not a bother to those strangers around you or seated next to you - I don't need your child to pass me salt, crackers or ketchup and chat away to me - as a fellow passenger I need you to take care of your child.


Dr. Phil - somehow I think that it's gotten a little out of hand with today's parents and their children - when I go to a restaurant that is not Chucke E. Cheese I do not want to have the kids at the next table playing or fighting with each other, climbing under the tables, going around to all the other tables. The parents seem to sit there saying 'well thank goodness Jay Junior is off there chatting to that nice couple now I can eat my own dinner in peace'. That nice couple wants to wring their necks.  If I go to a children friendly restaurant then that's fine - I get what I expect - but there are times that parents just seem to forget any responsibility they have for taking their children certain places - such as planes, restaurants, etc. It's not my job to help you babysit your child - it's your responsibility. I did it enough for enough years and always taking care to not forcekids bad behaviour on others even when it meant leaving a restaurant. Traveling with kids is a special thing and not special in the 'oh a treat' meaning - but it is the parents responsibility to make sure that surrounding strangers are not bothered by your kids - and of course those she asked said her her child wasn't bothering them - I would too - simply because nobody wants to be the one to sound like "scrouge' and say YES HELL YES he would NOT shutup and I was ready to lose my mind because he talked loudly and incessantly!!

Let me clear something up for you. Kate and her son live in GEORGIA. They were in a TEXAS airport, so the drive to take her son home would have been just a wee bit long.  Being so busy with being the perfect person that you are must really be tiring!
 
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September 20, 2007, 8:00 am PDT

Kyla

I am confused. I agree I kept hearing Kyla say that she wanted to hear an apology from SWA and they gave it to her.  I THOUGHT that was all she wanted until she stated that she wasn't promising not to sue, she wanted that option to stay open.  Wow!!!  She sounded absolutely spoiled at that point.  I am assuming that she must not have a job that requires her to meet with the public.  Does she think that everything revolves around her?  I am very much disappointed.  I am glad that we will not be seeing her again, as she is not the spokesperson I would want my children to look up to, since it seems to me that she can not accept an apology.  People do make mistakes!!!  I would have liked to see a picture of her when she was ON the plane to prove that she had her outfit the way she posed after the plane trip.  To bad there was not one this would have been the best.  Yes, I noticed the longer skirt on Dr. Phil's show also.  Interesting. 
 
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September 20, 2007, 8:05 am PDT

Dr Phil is wrong!

I think Dr. Phil is wrong about Joan. I was shocked that he implied that she was the one that needed help! I think her family are the ones needing sensitivity training along with manners classes. I am constantly reminding my family about their manners and they are doing the same things as Joan's household! Dr. Phil, would you sign me up too!?
 
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