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Topic : 03/06 Etiquette Dilemmas

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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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September 18, 2007, 2:44 pm PDT

Me Too

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I happen to see Kyla on the Today show with her mother and attorney. Matt interviewed her for several minutes in a close up shot. She was then asked to stand up and show the "outfit" she was wearing on that fateful day. The outfit was nice, the skirt in my opinion was a bit short, but what bothered me, was when she sat down, you could see her underwear; perhaps this was the situation on the plane. Was a family exposed to her exposure, and in trying to protect someone's innocence, did they complain?

 

Kyla said to begin with, she just wanted an apology...but now they are contemplating whether or not to file a lawsuit....is this another situation where a child being told "no" throws a tantrum and we are going to give into that "fit" ???? Our society has become a "I can do what I want no matter what"....laws are blatantly broken and another attorney makes more money and a name for themselves by defending a wrong doing. We need to start thinking others "rights"  as much as we think about our own...it may change society a little.

Dr. Phil missed it on this one.  I also saw the today show interview.  I too saw that when she sat down she was clearly wearing white underwear.  There was a CLEAR view of her crotch.  Also, when she tried to cross her legs, the "skirt" rode up so high as to expose half of her buttocks.  I would have been offended were I forced to fly with her.  I also saw a different photo of her "outfit" taken at the airline/airport.  Her tank top was pulled down to just above the nipple in that photo, and her skirt was pulled up to just below her crotch.  Just because she pulls her top up and skirt down to make it appear more decent on her interviews doesn't mean she was dressed appropriately at the time.  If I had a child, or husband even, on that flight, I would have complained. 

I think it is a sad commentary on our society that people would defend this woman, and that she be able to sue an airline over dressing like a prostitute and offending other paying passengers.  Why doesn't she feel embarrassed or ashamed of her behavior?  If I had worn a skirt so small I inadvertently showed my panties (and possibly some of my butt cheeks as well) to a airplane full of people or a national audience on the Today show, I would be humiliated!  Not indignant!  And I don't feel you have a right to sue a company for asking you to stop showing your goods to the rest of their customers.  I mean go work at the Bunny Ranch, they'll love you there. 

I am frequently disgusted by what passes for acceptable attire these days.  Not that I am a prude, but my husband and I have been to some very nice restaurants and they allow people in wearing sweat pants, athletic suits, ratty jean shorts and flip flops.  Everywhere I go I see some girl or woman in pajama pants in public.  Just today I saw a young girl getting off of a school bus wearing pajama pants.  Who lets their children go to school dressed like that? I think it is dispicable that people can not bother to throw on a decent pair of jeans or slacks to go out to a restaurant.  There doesn't seem to be any standards anymore.
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:45 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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I agree with they young lady.  We Americans should stop acting as if we have no rights. SWA could have stopped her at the gate.   These airlines want to accept our money, then treat us the way they desire.  She should milk this for everything it is worth.  Why should we always bow down to corporations?   Dr. Phil is a great talk show host, but he is not God.  She should fight them, if she gets nothing but publicity.  How Dare SWA?

 

 

"SWA could have stopped her at the gate. "

 

Good point. If attire is sooo critical for airline travel, the judgment call should have been made well before boarding.

 

Better still, any policy concerning "unacceptable attire" should be published up-front, before a passenger ever reaches the airport. Something of a variation of the "No shirt, No shoes, No service" rule.

 
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September 18, 2007, 2:47 pm PDT

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Why was I not surprised that when the girl who has been complaining about the airline finally got the apology she said that she wanted, she was not satisfied.

 

Dr. Phil hit the nail on the head when he commented on her not trying to get paid off of this incident.

 

People like her is why so many things cost more than they should in America. In the end, it's the consumer who pays for frivolous lawsuits!

 
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September 18, 2007, 2:48 pm PDT

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My husband drives me nuts because he can't stand it when I make noise when I eat.  I can't eat popcorn, carrots or anything noisy in front of him!  I was eating carrots a couple of weeks ago and he turned the tv up really loud.  I got frustrated and threw the carrots back in the fridge and went for a walk-when I got home, the carrots were gone!  He had eaten them.  I find it very frustrating that he is allowed to eat anything he wants, but I have to eat silent food.
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:49 pm PDT

My mom's the exact same way!

She can't stand noises either. She can't stand pencil banging on desks, she can't stand my keyboard typing (she always yells "type quieter"),  she can't stand ice rattling, she can't stand ice chomping, she can't stand spoons clanking against bowls, she can't stand chewing or licking noises. Her responses are always either yelling "Stop it!" (even to the tv when it's on tv) or covering her ears.

 

What were the techniques they were going teach that woman? My mom needs those techniques.

 
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September 18, 2007, 2:49 pm PDT

Another frivolous lawsuit.

Please.....She couldn't even sit without seeing more then I wanted and do you really believe that her skirt was pulled down like that?   I just traveled Southwest with my two grandsons, age 16 and 14.  I know they would have loved her to sit with them but I would have ask the Stewardess to move her or us!  .. AND I don't even like Southwest and have no intention of flying with them anymore either but it has nothing to do with this stupid b----.     Maybe, she is related to the woman that sued McDonald's for serving hot coffee.
 

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September 18, 2007, 2:49 pm PDT

put your junk in the trunk

Ya'll should be ashamed.  I have seen and read far too much about "Kyla" than is necessary.  Watch the Today Show footage, watch other interviews, etc., if you really have that much time on your hands.  This girl's STORY is changing with the wind.  Now she has an ambulance chaser that has latched on.........

 

Just because this young dear said something, doesn't mean she is telling the truth.  Also, I believe any business has the right to refuse service to anyone.  This poor dear, FLEW ON HER SCHEDULE FLIGHT.  She JUST had to cover up her HOO HOO.  Do you realize that this poor thing may not have had panties on?  Just because she said she did doesn't make it so.

 

I have read alot of comments about the delay in response from Southwest.  You have to remember that it took TWO MONTHS for the bimbo's story to be picked up by the media.  Probably a slow news day.  Southwest backed it employee up.  At Southwest, employees come first.  They didn't consider any wrong being done.  Multiple Customers did not want to see this girls HOO HOO.  She shouldn't be showing it in the first place.  If she was walking down the street, the police would have had the RIGHT to ticket her for indecent exposure.  Think that would have made it to Dr. Phil?  Or, if she would have been asked at a restaurant to cover up....or worse yet, even been refused service.  No one would have given it a second thought.

 

Just because Kyla said she was embarrassed in the front of the plane in front of others....does that make it truth?  I certainly don't see anyone coming out of the woodwork to agree with her STORY.

 

Initially, she said she was talked to in the jetway.  Ever heard the noise in a jetway?  She would have probably had a hard time hearing what was said, much less anyone walking past.

 

The ambulance chaser should have his license pulled.  This girl should be fined for taking up time that would have been better used covering a HUMAN INTEREST story.....   

 

The best thing we all can do, is let it go....she will tuck her tail between her legs...hopefully her stuff is covered...........and we'll see her in a few months in Playboy...which is where that hoochie outfit belongs. 

 

 

 

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September 18, 2007, 2:49 pm PDT

kyla

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WOW that  girl is something else. To me she is looking for free money. She said she wanted an appology so when she gets it, she like well thats nice be I really want the money instead. In my opinion her skirt was way to short, and a bit to trampy. But then again being asked to change or leave was wrong. BUT they said they were sorry.
I am surely glad she is going to stop appearing on TV!
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:49 pm PDT

KYLA

Dr. Phil I was taken back by how you were treating Kyla.  you kept on her and on her and on her!  I felt uncomfortable just watching the end of her segment and about how bad she was picked on by you.  She was humiliated by the airline.  I know I would not be happy if it happened to me.  About the security on airlines being important, lets worry about that and not someone's mini skirt for goodness sake. I think the airline is horrible for what they did and I hope if she chooses, because she said she doesn't know yet what she will do, I hope she gets a little more sincere apology and how about maybe 50 free tickets for the humiliation.  What is 2? (except an insult) The apology she got was nothing but a joke.  Still waiting for their action plan to ensure it doesn't happen again and how the employee was disciplined.  Shame on you Southwest!!!
 
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September 18, 2007, 2:49 pm PDT

About Kyla's message

Did I hear Kyla right? I believe she said something close to: She promises not to bring any further public attention to the situation. However, her attorney says they may not be done, they may take action to be sure that others are not treated the same? Hmmm. I believe that a lawsuit *makes it public* and continues to bring public attention to the situation. Shame on Kyla for being wishy-washy, and shame on her attorney or exploiting this to a further degree. A promise is a promise. Or so I thought, silly me. I guess when it involves notoriety, all bets are off. Our society is suit-crazy and sometime it has to stop!!

I agree that Kyla was treated badly, but she got the apology and more. Let it go, girl.
 
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