Topic : 03/06 Etiquette Dilemmas

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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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September 18, 2007, 3:59 pm PDT

Noisy Eating Suggestion

Joan, maybe you could not purchase the offending foods that make such noise. And get nuts that are already shelled.  Of course healthy, raw veggies make noise when chewed, too.
 
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September 18, 2007, 3:59 pm PDT

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As a female I don't believe that Kyla was in the wrong in any way.  Her outfit was fine and for someone to tell her that it was to revealing is outrageous.  And the apology was not heart felt at all.  It took Dr. Phil's team  to contact Southwest Airlines to get the apology. Then it was printed on a blue card for Dr. Phil to read.  It should have been more personal. Like a phone call or a personal letter that they could have sent to the show to give to her.  It's like Dr. Phil was doing their dirty work for them. She doesn't know if that letter actually came from the CEO or from his secretary.  She has every right to sue. Only by suing will that airline actually change it's way s or put a dress down in writing. Go get them Kyla!!

 
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September 18, 2007, 3:59 pm PDT

street corner

kyla I saw you on the today show you sat down and we saw you crotch and when you crossed you leg your but  what look where you going for prostitute on a street corner because that was what you looked like. I challenge you to stand on a street corner in your original outfit and watch how many men stop to ask you how much you charge and trust me honey they will!   Your mother saw nothing wrong with that outfit  she's a big moral compass and now you want to sue after blabing on every talk show about just wanting an appology. Trashy is how Trashy does. Get a life and grow up quite and frankly you need a big kick in the pants it is obvious to me your mommy never did it!
 
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September 18, 2007, 4:00 pm PDT

Long ago flight attendant

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Child behaviour is one of my soap boxes. My oldest daughter was two years old the first time I had her on an airplane. She alternated sitting  in her seat and sitting in my lap. Otherwise she behaved like an adult. We talked but she was not loud or disruptive to others on the plane. When she had to go the the bathroom she quietly told me and held my hand as we quitely  walked to the bathroom and back.  No child can be expected to be an adult but at that age children have the capacity to be able to learn right from wrong to a greater extent than most parents realize. Maybe they don't want to realize this because it puts the responsibility on them for their childs' behaviour. Both of my children were taught to have manners in public at a very young age. At one time my two daughters, who were teenagers at the time, and I were in public having our senses assaulted by a screaming, crying, kicking brat. The mother was doing nothing with this kid to let him know that you shouldn't  behave that way in public or anywhere else. I looked at my daughters in astonishment and said "You two never acted that way." My oldest daughter said they knew they wouldn't like what  happened if they did act that way. You don't have to beat or abuse a child in any way to teach them. But it does take work and thought and I feel most parents don't want to be bothered. They would rather cruise and let the kid do whatever he or she wants and somehow that parent has the abiblity to ignore the brat. I can't ignore it. I doubt I would have been able to ignore the brat on the airplane. I did not force my bratty kids on others and I do not appreciate it when someone forces his or her bratty kid on me. That mother and child should have been removed from the airplane. I remember hearing about that incident on the news. My daughter that has a little boy heard about that, too. We three flew from Dallas to St. Louis. My daughter was scared to death fearing she and her baby would get thrown off of that airplane. The baby was 22 months old at the time and he can be a handful. But I wasn't worried. I knew she disciplined her child. He was a little testy and fidgity but he was not noisy and unruly and disruptive. He did fiine. That is my proof that very young children can behave on airplanes without disturbing others. I recall a trip I took on an airplane sitting across from two little girls. One was under a year old and I think the other was three. Ay first I thought "Oh, no." But those children behaved. They weren't perfect little adults but they did not create a problem. I commended the parents for obviously disciplining and training their kids. More proof that children can behave on airplanes. Again, don't force your bratty kids off on me.

 

There are always two sides to inflight stories. I was a flight attendant in the "good old days" of full meals served in 45 minutes each on three legs of a four-leg flight. On one particulary warm summer day a mother got on board with her son who was about 5 years old. It was a DC-8 with 99 passengers in the rear cabin with two flight attendants to serve dinner on a leg from Atlanta to Dallas. Shortly after takeoff the 5-year old rang the call button. (As a good flight attendant who is trained never to ignore a call button, I stopped stacking trays for delivery and ran to see what was wrong.) The little boy looked up at me and said "Hi!" I asked if something was wrong and he said, "no, I wanted to see what the buttons do." His mother had left her parenting responsibilities at the door and, like many other mothers of that era, she considered the flight attendant her personal babysitter for the next hour and a half. She barely glanced up from the novel she was reading when I spoke to her son. I said, "Please don't push that button again, ok? It's supposed to be for emergencies of if you really need something." I smiled and went back to the galley. I was no sooner in the aisle with my four dinner trays (this was before the days of carts)...the call button rang again. I went to the 5-year old and made the same speech...SIX MORE TIMES! Each time the mother made no attempt to tell her child to stop. At one point I wondered if she was the mother, but I knew she had to be because he didn't have unaccompanied minor paperwork. On the 8th time, I went up to the little boy and said, "I've had to activate your call button. If you push it one more time, your seat will slide down in the bottom of the plane where all the bags are and it's VERY DARK!" I left. The mother finally looked up and appeared outraged. He didn't push the call button again. (My apologies to the 40-year-old man out there who is afraid of call buttons.)
 
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September 18, 2007, 4:00 pm PDT

Airline Etiquette

In hearing of Kyla's plight with her airline situation, I had to disagree with Dr. Phil regarding litigation proceedings by her attorney. Ordinarily I would not side with the litigation idea for frivilous lawsuits. However, I do agree that Kyla should go ahead with litigation as the airlines didn't apologize to her until she came on the Dr. Phil show. And the two month delay in their apology is likely the result of Kyla appearing on the Dr. Phil show. If she hadn't appeared I doubt she would have heard anything further from the airlines.  And just because she got an apology, so what? They treated her like some kind of whore.  Although she is a slender and attractive girl, she couldn't seriously be comfortable in an outfit that likely would rise up to her hips.  As for the airlines, they simply realized that they better do some damage control real quickly to avoid a drop in airline ticket sales. I also have seen some rather rude flight attendants with United Airlines. It really surprised me but then I realized the airlines doesn't likely know what their employees are up to and we as consumers should let them know. It takes one person to ruin things for everyone.
 
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September 18, 2007, 4:01 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

Quote From: frillyfroo

I agree with the airlines!!!  I'm sick of having to see bare breasts, bellies, and legs everywhere I go.  It's offensive.  I'm glad the airline had the guts to promote some standards of decency.
amen to that
 
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September 18, 2007, 4:01 pm PDT

Agreed!

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I was stunned and nauseated when a date blew his nose in his dinner napkin then returned to eating without missing a beat!  
 I was grocery shopping yesterday and a woman, who was blocking the aisle with her cart, stopped and repeatedly blew her nose.  She then proceeded to use her tissue to clean out her nostrils, repeatedly, blew each nostril once more, tissue wiped them again, and put this VERY used napkin into her pocket.  Then of course she unblocked the aisle, where three or four carts had queued up to try to pass, and proceeded to shop.  Who was the unlucky customer that got her cart later that day?  I'm tempted to take antibacterial wipes with me everywhere now!
 
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September 18, 2007, 4:02 pm PDT

Southest apolgy is LAME.

When someone robs you and then looks at you in the courtroom and says "they are sorry"....do you care?

No!  You know they are only apologizing because they feel like they have to.

 

Southwest has no right to humiliate a human being.  period  

 

Southwest is not the least bit sorry for what happened.  They are only sorry they got CAUGHT and got all this bad press. 

 

Soutworst had the chance to apologize. Instead they continued to humiliate this young woman's Mom with their condescending response,

 

I hope she sues their pants off and wins!!!

 

Saying your sorry because you got CAUGHT being a rude uncaring company does not count.

 
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September 18, 2007, 4:03 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

Sorry guys... I'm 19 years old, and I have some pretty terrible manners. What really makes me mad is when people come into a public restroom, and get grossed out because someone else pooped and it smells bad or they can hear it plop. I mean, COME ON! It's a public restroom. It's got the word public before it for a reason. If you want your own little happy toilet, you can take yourself home! Be realistic, people. Pooping in a public restroom is something others choose not to do, but for some people, like myself, when you gotta go, you gotta go!! So don't come in public restrooms getting pissed at someone doing their business. If you don't wanna hear it, plug your ears, don't wanna smell it, plug your nose. Simple as that.
 
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September 18, 2007, 4:03 pm PDT

Etiquette and Appropriateness

While I agree that the airline rep. had no guidelines (such as a documented dress code) to stand behind, if that girl didn't have enough sense to know that most of the world doesn't care to see her undies and whatever else she was sharing (after all, she's not a 3 year old), then someone needed to tell her. I gave her benefit of the doubt until I heard her talking on your show today. I'll bet Southwest Airlines started drafting their dress code document the minute that girl's flight landed.

 

The rest of the etiquette topics were worth watching. Kyla, however, needs to get a clue.

 

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