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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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September 18, 2007, 4:53 pm PDT

Thanks for your reply

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Thank you for recognizing the importance of manners and just to let you know, I am only 31 and I understand how to properly conduct myself at a meal, behave in public, and address people in general.  My mother taught me well and I am proud that, at 21 months, my daughter's favorite phrase is "excuse me" because we use our manners so well in our home that she has picked it up on her own.  Amen that all is not lost!  She is her own person and we have not squelched her individuality.  She is very much her own person; stubborn, opinionated and I love her for all of those things but she is also well mannered and has expectations on her for behavior and she knows the consequences.  She flew at 16 months and I was accompanied only by my five year old son and most people told me as we exited the planes that they did not even know the kids were there.  I did not drug my children but simply dealt with it as best I could under the circumstances. 
 It was very positive.  My hats off to you.  I am proud of you, as a fellow American.  You are also a very good writer!  Thanks for your reply.  I'm sure your kids will be very successful in life as they have the skills to navigate the world. 
 

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September 18, 2007, 4:53 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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I know that I cannot be the only one out there that finds it convenient that Kayla is not ruling out the option of suing Southwest. Yes, she was offended and I am sure that she felt bad. I don't deny that. To me it doesn't matter what she wore on the plane. I know that apologies don't always make things better but they go a long way to start healing a wound.

 

In my opinion the reason Kayla wants money out of Southwest is to pay for the "surgery" she had that led her to get on the plane in the first place. I am sure we can all guess what kind of surgery she had.

"In my opinion the reason Kayla wants money out of Southwest is to pay for the "surgery" she had that led her to get on the plane in the first place. I am sure we can all guess what kind of surgery she had."

 

Harsh!


 
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September 18, 2007, 4:53 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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How many of these law suits do you really think there are?

Do tell...

Interesting (non) answer to my question.

 

We live in a litigation happy society. When there is a lawsuit, for whatever reason, who do you really think foots the bill when the defendant has to pay up? You didn't answer my question. You obviously have no idea.

 

Here is an example. A doctor is sued for malpractice. He loses. Maybe he is really guilty, maybe he isn't. His insurance company now has to pay the plaintiff. In turn his insurance rates go up, so he has to raise his fees to make up the difference. The patients are the ones who end up paying for the lawsuit.

 

We are told all of the time on the news that health insurance is so high because of malpractice suits. Why do you think they finally put a $250,000 cap on them? Because it was so out of control in this "sue happy" society.

 

How much do you pay for auto insurance? Are you aware that you pay more to cover the losses when some uninsured driver causes an accident with a car driven by another driver who is a customer of your insurance company? Where do you think the money comes from to pay to the insured driver? Higher rates for all of the other cusotmers of your insurance company.

 

The cost of paying out in a lawsuit is always passed on to the consumer by the corporation.

 

So answer my original question.

 

Where do you think the money comes from to pay for these lawsuits?

 

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September 18, 2007, 4:53 pm PDT

Kyla vs. Southwest Airlines

As a retired employee of a major airline with 28 years of service, I feel qualified to point out to Kyla and all others who disagree with the action taken by SWA that all carriers have a "Contract of Carriage" which addresses in detail their policies & procedures.  This information is readily available by searching the carriers website or contacting them by phone or letter. 

 

This particular situation is covered under the "Refusal to Transport" guidelines.  Specific to this case is the information under "Comfort and Safety", which states

 

F.  "Carrier may refuse to transport or remove from the aircraft at any point any passenger in the following categories as may be necessary for the comfort or safety of such passenger or other passengers:

 

  (1)  Persons whose conduct is or has been known to be disorderly, abusive, offensive, threatening, 

    intimidating, or violent, or whose clothing is lewd, obscene, or patently offensive."

 

Even a single passenger complaint would mean it was offensive to at least one person, making Southwest completely within it's rights and obligations to address the problem.

 

So, let Kyla, her Mommy and their (sleazy) attorney file suit, they really have no basis on which to prevail over Southwest Airlines!!!

 
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September 18, 2007, 4:55 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

Quote From: kec132

I'm sorry you need to have it explained to you.

 

Taste to someone like Kyla is wearing a dress or skirt that doesn't show your panties when you sit down.

 

 

I think that when "freedom" is used/abused to try and justify a Hootters Girl wearing an inappropriate skirt in a public place for all to see all she has to offer then you've taken "political correctness" too far - Freedom is something like freedom of religion or the freedom not to be forced to wear a prohibitive veil. Freedom is not about the "right" to show your patootie on a public airline for one and all to gander at.

It was really a rhetorical question.

Taste is objective. Your definition isn't THE definition, it is only YOUR definition.

As for freedom...she hurt no one. She is free to do as she wants as long as she hurts no one.
 
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September 18, 2007, 4:59 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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Interesting (non) answer to my question.

 

We live in a litigation happy society. When there is a lawsuit, for whatever reason, who do you really think foots the bill when the defendant has to pay up? You didn't answer my question. You obviously have no idea.

 

Here is an example. A doctor is sued for malpractice. He loses. Maybe he is really guilty, maybe he isn't. His insurance company now has to pay the plaintiff. In turn his insurance rates go up, so he has to raise his fees to make up the difference. The patients are the ones who end up paying for the lawsuit.

 

We are told all of the time on the news that health insurance is so high because of malpractice suits. Why do you think they finally put a $250,000 cap on them? Because it was so out of control in this "sue happy" society.

 

How much do you pay for auto insurance? Are you aware that you pay more to cover the losses when some uninsured driver causes an accident with a car driven by another driver who is a customer of your insurance company? Where do you think the money comes from to pay to the insured driver? Higher rates for all of the other cusotmers of your insurance company.

 

The cost of paying out in a lawsuit is always passed on to the consumer by the corporation.

 

So answer my original question.

 

Where do you think the money comes from to pay for these lawsuits?

No, it's not a "non-answer"...it was my original point, which you missed.

 
 

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September 18, 2007, 4:59 pm PDT

Kyla

 Kyla , PLEASE..  After an apology, free tickets, not to mention all the attention brought to the problems with ariline dress codes, which kYLA insisted are the reason for her appearances, it is so obvious she is just after the MONEY. Talk about ettiquette!  She is tackier than the attendant who pulled her aside and told her to cover up!  I hope the judge throws her out of court  and makes Her apoligize for being disingenuous on your show.  Her intention was never to give it up - she was after the money - tacky, tacky, tacky behavior.
 
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September 18, 2007, 5:00 pm PDT

What?

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 What about theme parks, like Disneyland?  They are PUBLIC, family places.  Kylas bust was NOT showing, nor was her butt.  Gee, are there prudes watching this show?   I think so!
 No, I also don't think you should be flashing your panties at Disneyland or any other theme park or public place.  No one said you can't wear a swimsuit at a waterpark, that is rediculous and obtuse on your part. On the plane her entire decolletage, her panties and butt were exposed.   What does not wanting to see someone's exposed parts on a plane have to do with being a prude?  "Rudeness is a weak immitation of strength"- Eric Hoffer
 
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September 18, 2007, 5:03 pm PDT

same exactly

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i know how the mother feels-unfortunatly my kids and boyfriend get the same thing from me!! i cant stand smacking food, gum, crunching ice cubes, clanking the spoon or fork against the glass. almost the exact same things that she doesnt like i dont like either.
The exact same noises have bothered me for years and I have never heard the subject discussed.  I am embarrassed by this problem and how it affects my family, friends, etc. but I truly cannot help it.  I always wondered if it had something to do with acute hearing.  My husband says I have dog ears because these noises bother me
 
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September 18, 2007, 5:03 pm PDT

Totally agree

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Interesting (non) answer to my question.

 

We live in a litigation happy society. When there is a lawsuit, for whatever reason, who do you really think foots the bill when the defendant has to pay up? You didn't answer my question. You obviously have no idea.

 

Here is an example. A doctor is sued for malpractice. He loses. Maybe he is really guilty, maybe he isn't. His insurance company now has to pay the plaintiff. In turn his insurance rates go up, so he has to raise his fees to make up the difference. The patients are the ones who end up paying for the lawsuit.

 

We are told all of the time on the news that health insurance is so high because of malpractice suits. Why do you think they finally put a $250,000 cap on them? Because it was so out of control in this "sue happy" society.

 

How much do you pay for auto insurance? Are you aware that you pay more to cover the losses when some uninsured driver causes an accident with a car driven by another driver who is a customer of your insurance company? Where do you think the money comes from to pay to the insured driver? Higher rates for all of the other cusotmers of your insurance company.

 

The cost of paying out in a lawsuit is always passed on to the consumer by the corporation.

 

So answer my original question.

 

Where do you think the money comes from to pay for these lawsuits?

 My most favorite doctor retired because he could no longer afford to stay in practice and pay his insurance premiums.  It not only costs us more money, but it costs us the care of good physicians too!
 
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