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Topic : 03/06 Etiquette Dilemmas

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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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September 18, 2007, 5:33 pm PDT

Kyla is wrong!

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I happen to see Kyla on the Today show with her mother and attorney. Matt interviewed her for several minutes in a close up shot. She was then asked to stand up and show the "outfit" she was wearing on that fateful day. The outfit was nice, the skirt in my opinion was a bit short, but what bothered me, was when she sat down, you could see her underwear; perhaps this was the situation on the plane. Was a family exposed to her exposure, and in trying to protect someone's innocence, did they complain?

 

Kyla said to begin with, she just wanted an apology...but now they are contemplating whether or not to file a lawsuit....is this another situation where a child being told "no" throws a tantrum and we are going to give into that "fit" ???? Our society has become a "I can do what I want no matter what"....laws are blatantly broken and another attorney makes more money and a name for themselves by defending a wrong doing. We need to start thinking others "rights"  as much as we think about our own...it may change society a little.

I quickly glanced through what everyone is saying about Kyla on Dr. Phil's show today (I TiVo so I just finished watching it!)  I also saw Kyla, LIVE, on the Today show the other day and I was shocked and appaled at her outfit!  Let me also say this:  I am 23 and I CAN pull off an outfit like that.  When she sat down and I saw her underwear, I was in disbelief!  Of course she was asked to cover up!!!  I would not want to see that, I am sure this "family friendly" airline did not want their passengers to see it either!  I wonder if it was actually another passenger that complained about her and that is what caused all of this. 

Kyla, you NEED to get over yourself!!!  You got your appology and your 15 minutes of fame!  Drop it already! 
 
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September 18, 2007, 5:35 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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Meaning you have no evidence for this when it comes to airlines. I understand your point about Doctors and malpractice, but to assume this is the same way with airlines is a leap IMO.

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Are you serious??

 

Do a Google search if you need proof! Every corporation and company passes the cost of a lawsuit onto it's consumers. If they didn't, every one of them would go out of business.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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September 18, 2007, 5:36 pm PDT

What does it take to embarrass Kyla?

I was interested in seeing the segment on Kyla Ebbert and Dr. Phil’s response to the way she was treated by Southwest Airlines. As Dr. Phil mentioned, “no matter how flat you make a pancake, it still has two sides.” Kyla says she was “embarrassed” when a Southwest employee took her to the front of the plane and called attention to her questionable attire. I wonder if she is embarrassed by the provocative pictures she had posted on her MySpace Web page. In one picture she is flashing the infamous “shocker” hand gesture. I’d like to see her come on the talk shows and explain to the audience, and her mom, what that hand gesture suggests. When Kyla sues, and she will, perhaps Southwest will be able to get its side out. This is all about getting Caesar’s money. I’ve grown weary of people who’s major contribution to society is testing the limits of propriety. Let Kyla talk! The more she talks the better Southwest looks. Thanks to Virgin she can flash her trash on their airline.  
 

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September 18, 2007, 5:36 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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It is apparent that Kyla lives in LALA land and thinks about no one but herself,oh and of course the MONEY MONEY MONEY she thinks she can get from her stupid behavior. I don't like the way the airlines handled the situation , but Kyla and her Mother have been way worse,. Nothing will satisfy this selfish jerk but thousands or hundreds of thousands of airline money, which of course will increase fares for the rest of us!
amen!  I am so sick of people using any little excuse to get money from "deep pockets" when they have not suffered any lasting damage.  She has not suffered any damage except a bit of embarrassment that we all have to face in adult life. Imagine if we all sued whenever we were told we were wrong, even if we were right.  Everything would cost so much, no one could afford anything.  Litigation happy people make me sick.  Too bad her mom never taught her to "grow up" and get on with her life - guess the $ looks good to her too!  These things happen to alot of people and they seem to carry on without lasting psychological damage.  Gee, Dr. Phil could be called in as a consultant in the trial for the other side and testify to how "damaged" she is from all the trama caused by someone telling her that her mini skirt was too "mini".  Awwww.....
 
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September 18, 2007, 5:36 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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On my first flight with my 3 toddlers, age 19months, 3, and 4.  This summer. 

 

I gave each of my childern a dose of medication before boarding the flight, and still my 19month old, cried most of the 8 hour flight.  He was screaming in pain...he was clutching his ears. Thanfully I was on a great airline (West Jet) and the flight attendant was most helpful in offering he's help, and when nothing worked, he still smiled and assured me that it was ok, and that I need not to be embarased.

 

It is no different than my sister-in law, who gets off every flight with a bleeding ear infection.  She as an adult knows to not scream, but a baby's normal way of comunicating that they are in pain is to scream.

I don't know if you or your sister in law tried this, trust me I feel hers and your baby's pain here, but did either of you try an antehistemine before a flight ?  Maybe your doctor could help you there, I found that and something warm against the most offending ear helped me.

I know there were times I wish I could get away with the screaming and crying myself (especially during an eight hour flight with layovers arghhhh) but at that point its not only my ears that have me on the verge of tears and a complete meltdown.

Seriously though, that might help but like anything talk to your doctor first.

cheers

 
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September 18, 2007, 5:39 pm PDT

lol

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Dr. Phil,

 

When Kyla was interviewed by Matt Laur on the Today show, she was wearing the same skirt she was kicked off of Southwest Airlines for wearing.  When she sat down in the chair to be interviewed, her underware could be seen at her crouch before she crossed her legs. (Since that scene aired, the Today Show has cut that part out.  It embarrassed them because they were trying to make a big deal out of what Southwest did.)  I think a skirt that short is a very good reason for Southwest to ask her to change her clothes.  Young children fly on planes also.  When I fly, I don't want to see anyones underware.  Kyla needs to tell the truth and get over it.  Southwest gets many Kudos for standing up to this situation. 

LOL, been reading a few of the posts and a funny thought stuck me, why are the people that say they seen this girls underwear looking at her private area?

Honestly, when I look at people I look at their faces, not  below their belt lol.

 

 

 
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September 18, 2007, 5:42 pm PDT

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I think Dr. Phil hit the nail on the head, and I'm so glad he said exactly what I was thinking.........it's all about the money.  She wanted the attention and to play the victim, to see what she could get. When she saw they weren't going to fork over megabucks to get her to shut her mouth she continued with it until she would get something. After taking those plane tickets from Dr.  Phil , it  had in my mind, and I'm sure many others, that it was in fact put to bed, but, she had time to think about it.  HMMMMMM would this look good going to court with Southwestern , playing the show for Southwests' defence, that yes all she wanted was an apology, whic she got, and yes she did accept the tickets. She changed her mind quick when Dr.Phil put out there just how stupid it all was.

If she was in fact humiliated in front of the whole plane, why was she not for the way she was dressed.Just because you CAN wear something doesn't mean you should.

 We all are held accountable for the chioces we make, even the way we dress. Would that be acceptable at say , Chuckie Cheese  , no. 

I'm glad Southwestern did this, it makes me more comfortable taking my child on a plane.

It makes me happy when Dr.Phil speaks his mind and doesn't sugarcoat anything.

 
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September 18, 2007, 5:44 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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I wish that anyone posting a comment on the dress code had to put a photo of themselves with it or answer a survey.

 

1. could you dress like that and turn heads, or do you turn stomachs?

2. are you old and therefor have an excuse for your narrow view?

3. are you "religious" and therefor self righteous out of need to seem righteous?

4.Are you a man she would not give the time of day to?

5. you get my point.

Don't have a picture, but I can answer your questions,

1.I don't think I would turn stomachs, but I certainly don't have the bustline for it, or the legs.

2.I'm 38 which I don't consider old, and I don't think I have an overly narrow view of the world.

3.Last time I was in a church was six years ago for my FIL'S funeral, weddings and funerals are the extent of my religious fervor, I'm agnostic.

4.Sorry, a woman a married one at that, but I see the point to this question.

5. and yes your point is loud and clear.

 
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September 18, 2007, 5:47 pm PDT

Simple

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I have to ask though, all this fuss over her midriff, or whatever,

Okay, so why are her panties offensive, but some of the bathing suits aren't ? I mean a bra and panties usually covers more than most swimsuits, I only ask because a mini skirt on a plane is offensive, therefore the airline should alter their dress code, and yet it is a PUBLIC ariline, at the same time there are little complaints about swimwear on PUBLIC BEACHES or in waterparks, I only ask because I wonder why ?

  The fuss is really over her obvious intention to sue an airline because she dressed inappropriately  and was called on it.  Appropriateness is dictated by the location and situation.  Bathing suits are meant to be seen either poolside or on the beach.  People expect to see swimsuits on a beach, therefore they are not shocking or offensive.  Panties and bras are not .  An airplane is not an appropriate place to wear a swimsuit.  Nor is it acceptable to wear a bra and panties on a plane or anywhere for that matter.  It may even be illegal.  A beach is not an appropriate place to wear a three-piece suit.  And, you'll find even in beach communities, they expect you to put on a cover-up before you enter a restaurant. 

And, it wasn't exactly a mini-skirt.  I wore those all through my day, and a mini-skirt is mid-thigh and something you can sit in.  She wore a "micro-mini"  which stops just below the crotch.  This skirt rides up when you sit, exposing your butt and front.  Most people find this innappropriate attire for planes, trains, buses, etc.  Especially since as you travel, your clothes have a tendency to bunch up anyway.  It is shocking and offensive because people do not expect to see someone's undergarments exposed.  And personally, for me, I find some swimsuits offensive.  I once saw an 80 year old couple in thongs on a beach in Miami.  You simply can't "un-see" things!  People need to consider, what is good for some is good for all.  You may not find the skirt offensive on her, but wait until your mom or grandmother wear one, or the old lady down the street, or your 9 year old daughter.  Then tell me how you feel about it!
 
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September 18, 2007, 5:48 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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I don't know if you or your sister in law tried this, trust me I feel hers and your baby's pain here, but did either of you try an antehistemine before a flight ?  Maybe your doctor could help you there, I found that and something warm against the most offending ear helped me.

I know there were times I wish I could get away with the screaming and crying myself (especially during an eight hour flight with layovers arghhhh) but at that point its not only my ears that have me on the verge of tears and a complete meltdown.

Seriously though, that might help but like anything talk to your doctor first.

cheers

I have a total of 8 hours of travel planned in 2 weeks with my 3 year old daughter...we deliberately planned a red-eye flight because I know she'll sleep on the plane and it won't really seem like much of anything to her, take off and landing might peak her interest, but I know she'll just crash after about 15 minutes of altitude flying.

The antihistamine is interesting...do you think that would relieve sinus/ear pressure in a preemptive way or something?
 
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