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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm

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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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kevin2

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September 18, 2007, 7:37 pm PDT

WHAT???

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I hope that Kyla and her attorney Sue SouthWest for infringing on her rights. Although her attire might be

considered 'skimpy' by some, there was nonthing inapproperite about the way that she was dressed.

SouthWests people need to be educated to the fact that they are not 'gods' and people have rights. I have watched the show 'airport' featuring SouthWests people and they seem to think their right on everything

they do.

First of all it is Southwest not SouthWest.....Second of all the show was called Airline not Airport....Third of all the flight attendants DO NOT think they are "gods"...they are just doing there jobs as they are trained to do they are not out to get you they are just looking out for you and your SAFTEY that is their main goal they do not want to tell you what to do or harrass you they are just doing what the FAA has put in place as guidelines to keep you as asfe as possible...yeh there is no dress code but you have to use common sence and good judgment and if there was an emergancy and the flight attendants had to evacuate the airplens she would have burned her legs on the slide...HELLO, when people used to travel before the would dress in business suits or dresses and it has become so relaxed people wear their p.j.'s ....do you want to see that when you are traveling? It's not bed time is it? Yes you want to be comfortable but they did not show the oufit the way she was wearing it......you could see up her skirt (did you see the Today's Show when they had to blur out her Crotch?) she was wearing the same outfit....and you could not see her tank top because it was hiding behind her SMALL jacket...she had the bottom pulled up and pulled the top pulled down when she was trying to get on the airplane..flight attendants are trained for saftey and DO NOT get the respect they deserve... they are trained in saftey proccedures yes but the are also there to make EVERYONE comfortable...If just one person on the airplane was offended by what she was wearing I do not see any reason why they wanted her to cover up...Question...Would you want someone that was coughing, sick, crying, loud, or smelled really bad next to you on an airplane? I think the answer would be NO...Yes a lot of people thought that she was HOT and would want to flirt with her but look at her she wants to be a playboy bunny..(what was the procedure she was going to get a check up of...like you can't tell), but come on if you would be inconveninced by one of those examples than I am sure someone would be about her outfit...so don't sit there and say that she has every right to sue...she just wants her 15 minutes of fame...also Southwest did not get the letter about the incident for a while so in a big company it does take a while for things to get to someone that will respond and i think Southwest made every effort to difuse the situation as quickly as possible...and she did take a month to send a letter to southwest...she said she would stop all interviews if she got an apoligy and she got that but she still wants to sue....what is this world comming to? Everyone wants to blame someone else for there mistakes and no one is to blame but yourself...she wanted to show off and she did...she said that Southwest is not the fashion police and the are not but there is a difference in approprite and not approprite and she was not approprite she looked like she if 15 and trying to be a teenager again but she is like 30...dress your age...she just wants to become famous and get money from this ordeal and she will do more interviews and do whatever she can to make a that happen......

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September 18, 2007, 7:39 pm PDT

Kyla in the Skies

I just heard of this situation with Kyla and SW Airlines today. There is more to this story we do not know.

Boy, did Kyla's demeanor change when Dr. Phil was talking to her lawyer and asking her why she

still would sue. There may have been behavior associated with the dress we haven't heard about.

Has the flight attendant been interviewed ( or already fired?)

It's been a long time since I have flown on an airplane, but I have seen much much worse -

no bras, big boobs, etc and everyone (passengers and flight crew) were obviously disapproving,

but no one said anything. To the person who talked about breast feeding on a plane - well

I have seen that done Very Indiscreetly. A woman who wanted the attention was allowing her

(by her admission) 3 year old grab at her breast and suckle, exposing her breast and leaving

it exposed after the child stopped and making loud comments about having trouble weaning

her child. She wasn't thrown off the plane and everyone ignored her - bad taste.

Kyla wants attention - her attorney wants money. She will probably get it. But she may get more

than she bargained for somewhere down the line.

When the airline says they have the right to refuse service - so does any independent business -

but they take the risk of being sued ...it's a shame. And didn't Virgin America hop on the

marketing bandwagon?

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September 18, 2007, 7:40 pm PDT

ONCE UPON A TIME

we cared what we looked like in public, how we sounded to others when we spoke, we respected other's right to space and speech, we kept our conversations private and civilized. As a nation we have degenerated to loud, boorish, crude, rude and unattractive - no wonder no one in the civilized world likes us. We don't deserve to be admired.

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September 18, 2007, 7:41 pm PDT

This is beyond ridiculous

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I happen to see Kyla on the Today show with her mother and attorney. Matt interviewed her for several minutes in a close up shot. She was then asked to stand up and show the "outfit" she was wearing on that fateful day. The outfit was nice, the skirt in my opinion was a bit short, but what bothered me, was when she sat down, you could see her underwear; perhaps this was the situation on the plane. Was a family exposed to her exposure, and in trying to protect someone's innocence, did they complain?

Kyla said to begin with, she just wanted an apology...but now they are contemplating whether or not to file a lawsuit....is this another situation where a child being told "no" throws a tantrum and we are going to give into that "fit" ???? Our society has become a "I can do what I want no matter what"....laws are blatantly broken and another attorney makes more money and a name for themselves by defending a wrong doing. We need to start thinking others "rights" as much as we think about our own...it may change society a little.

I don't know how old this girl is, but she is acting like a spoiled rotten rich bratty kid that was thwarted from her actions, and pitched a two-year-old fit. The apology from Southwest Airlines was very nicely sufficient, the gifts that were given to her by Southwest were very nice, and especially from Virgin Airlines. Now what's she gonna do if Virgin "hurts her feelings"? Her attorney should be run out of town, and she should be smacked upside the head and asked "WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?" I hope if this ever even makes it to a courtroom, the judge will have enough "cojones" to laugh himself senseless while he throws this suit of stupidity out of the court. This "girl" needs to get over it, grow up and get on.

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September 18, 2007, 7:44 pm PDT

dress attire

The one thing that kept standing out to me as I have seen this girl several times now in interviews and "wearing" her interivew (and seen clearly in the photo of her) is that her skit when standing is fine. HOWEVER, as soon as she sits down it rides up to a borderline obscene level/height. If you notice, she HAS to cross her legs to prevent her underwear and "her business" from not completely showing.

She can not keep her legs crossed the whole time she is on that flight. So anyone sitting next to her or walking up and down the aisles is going to see her sitting there basically in her underwear and that is what I would find offensive.

Again, all I say is look at her picture when she is sitting down with her legs crossed and you can see how high the skirt rises.

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September 18, 2007, 7:45 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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I also feel as though Kayla was in it for the money and attention. It is really sad that this issue has been taken this far. So one was embarassed but just because we get embarassed do we sue?! Obviously the airline attendant has different views than Kayla and prob. felt that they were doing their job. Yes, it could have been handled differently but it was... one must take into account that we all have those days we react to others in less than friendly ways.. and not hold that over them. I feel as though Kayla is enjoying this attention ... it is sad that she is stooping so low.

I am very disappointed in Dr.Phil due to fact that it felt as though he was really pressing hard on Kayla. I will have to agree 100% with her attorney in the fact that it took way too long for Southwest to apologize for the embarassment to Kayla. It's pretty pathetic that it took as much publicity as it did for an apology to come out. If she does pursue with the law suit then good for her. It's time these companies that do not have control over their employees, in the sense that anyone of them can make what sounds to be an executive decision for the company need to reap the consequences for their actions. We'll see what becomes of this situation.

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September 18, 2007, 7:46 pm PDT

Chewing Anxiety

I am so glad that Dr. Phil brought up people who can't stand the sound of other people eating. Since my son was 12 it has been torture for him to sit down and eat with his family. He goes to friends houses and doesn't get home in time for dinner. He'll eat later in his room. My husband is the one that he focuses in on during family meals. ( He does tend to eat like a dog but it doesn't bother any one else.) This has actually caused conflict between them. We seldom eat dinner at the family table. I have brought this to the attention of his doctor and a psychiatrist. They offered antidepressants. My son thinks that he is crazy. I have held out on medication, but I have never heard of anyone else with this problem. How can I help him desensitize?

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September 18, 2007, 7:49 pm PDT

Hope Kyla is enjoying her 15minutes of fame

First of all as a former Southwest Airlines employee I was really annoyed by the lawyersaying they may sue so this doensn't happen to anyone else, and that airline employees should be trained how to handle this. First of all I think it is more important to train airline employees on how to handle terrorist threats and safety on a plane first and foremost and while the employee probably handled it wrong, I'm sure she wasn't sitting so demurely like she is in the only photo they show of her in this outfit. Also airplanes are cold. Even if I am going somewhere warm I bring a sweater on a plane because it always so cold and she obviously dresses in a miniskirt on an airplane to draw some attention to herself. If the flt att. said she was hot and wanted her number I'm sure she would have been pleased. Airline employees do not make very much money and it is a very stressful job. Dealing with weather, safety measures, security which is constantly changing and pleasing people at 5:00am every day can take it's toll. People love to hear bad airline stories. Also maybe another passenger complained about her attire and the employee was trying to make them happy. Who knows? I am sick of people bashing airline employees who have no clue what they go through every day and for the most part are very friendly. Nice airline employees don't make for good TV.

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September 18, 2007, 8:00 pm PDT

Time to pack it in

Looks like a large majority here are against little miss greedy Hooters girl. HA HA I am also tired of something spitting out rhetoric about "freedom this and freedom that". Guess what? Then it's my freedom to not have to look at someone who is almost naked in a venue where it may not be that appropriate. The beach? Sure thing, go ahead wear what you want. Just because that may be the "style" or actually one of the styles of today doesn't mean it's meant to be worn EVERYWHERE..give me a break! No one says you have to dress in formal wear to travel, geeze talk about a ridiculous statement. But for pete's sake, THINK!

As for the mom of the 19 month old, I think she should have received some free tickets and an apology. But she didn't receive anything of the sort. She was more news worthy than the bratty Hooters girl.

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September 18, 2007, 8:04 pm PDT

Continental Airlines

My husband and I recently flew Continental Airlines for a business trip I was on and found them to be so rude that we made a joint decision NEVER to fly them again. I fly a LOT to events, conferences and meetings that our foundation is involved in...and I DO HAVE A CHOICE.

During the recent flight a young woman was obviously not feeling well and asked for some water. We were being held on the ground...now for over 40 minutes, she was sitting up a row and across from us. The attendant said.."one minute" Several minutes passed the young woman again politely asked for water...the attendant said..." I SAID ONE MINUTE..." After several more minutes her husband brought to the attention of the attendant that his wife had not received the water...the attendant said very loudly..." WE DON'T HAVE ANY WATER...THEY DIDN'T LOAD IT...AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE STUCK HERE ON THE TARMAC.!!! YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET ANY WATER...." She didn't offer her anything else....and made it obvious that she did not expect to be bothered again. During this the announcements were done and they announced what the in-flight movie was going to be...due to the commotion around us my husband missed what the movie was going to be and politely asked the attendant as she passed us.....

She said: " We just made that announcement...you should have listened!" She never did tell my husband what it was....". The whole atmosphere was one of intimidation...to make sure no one would dare bother them with anything during the flight. Everyone heard in our area of the plane and all were disgusted.

Too many other airlines...if it comes down to having to take a Continental Flight to get somewhere...I simply will not go. No one should have to tolerate being treated that way. My husband has a saying...which many probably know.."Are we here because they are there...OR are they there because we are here?

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