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Topic : 03/06 Etiquette Dilemmas

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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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September 19, 2007, 12:22 am PDT

Now that you mention it,

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the last woman with the young daughter really needs to rethink her relationship with her husband.  My ex used to treat me the same way.  It seemed very cute then but it is actually very immature and disrespectful towards her.  It shows that he really doesn't care about her and her comfort.  Shoving her head under the covers after he passes gas is actually abusive even though it seems cute now.  Looking back with my therapist, those were moments that should have been warning signs to the slow build up of abuse that eventually became severe.  He is 27 years old, not 12.  He can choose to change his behavior or she needs to change her partners.  He will not get better on his own because he sees nothing wrong with his behavior but I see my ex all over the place.  I laughed that behavior off but it is not appropriate.  My husband eventually left me for the neighbor once he had destroyed who I was and every ounce of my self esteem.  With therapy and the grace of God, I am back to who I am.  I truly forsee the same for her in15 more years.  (the neighbor dumped him in 4 weeks by the way)  But when you are someone who sees nothing wrong with making your partner uncomfortable and believing in instant gratification it is hard to feel compassion for others.  It may be funny for TV but it is not funny to live with. 
My brother used to fart at the dinner table, where he was sitting topless, picking his zits.  All this kind of stuff.  He had bullied me my whole childhood, and now he's married and bullies his wife and kids.  Maybe there is a connection between this gross behaviour and an abusive personality.
 
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September 19, 2007, 12:24 am PDT

Exposure

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In my opinion it is very violating to have to be in the same room with a women who chooses to expose herself to everyone, in the same way  that I would feel violated if a male exposed himself around me in public.  Exept the male would be arrested.  Why aren't these women arrested.  Women can still look very attractive without exposing most of their skin to everyone.  And, this is not a JEALOUS tactic, it is reality.... I have fairly large breasts, and they get enough attention just being there, I never have to show any skin to notice people looking at them.  SO Cover up, because the people are tired of being violated by you female exposers out there.

men get arrested for exposing their penises, as they should.  I don't think this woman exposed her labia.
 
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September 19, 2007, 12:56 am PDT

noise

This is the 549th message. Could anyone believe i read ALL the messages?

 

I want to be quiet at last! To have it quiet! Let this be the LAST POST!

My s/o leaves the TV on from the minute he gets up until bedtime. He is insecure. The noise comforts him.

I just wait until he leaves the room to turn it down or OFF.

 

Finally to the scantily clad ladies:

PUT SOME DANG CLOTHES ON!!!!!

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE YOUR SKIN HANGING OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE.

TAKE ALL THAT FLASHING TO THE BEACH.

 

To the moms with kids on airplane trips:

Been there, done that. God bless you for getting through that ordeal. Kids will be kids.

Adults should act accordingly.

 

the end.

 
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September 19, 2007, 3:00 am PDT

KYLA

 Saw show.  Liked show.  Kyla is, no doubt, a very beautiful woman.  No one can argue with that.  (I am a female btw.)  It just appears to me she may have been using her 15 minutes of fame hoping to gain someones attentinon and get her free ticket on the infamous money train, not an airline. 

 

Will she follow thru with a lawsuit?  Most likely.  It probably won't cost her a dime as her attorney also appeared over zealous to become the next "Johnny Cochran". 

 

I hope she has the maturity level to accept the apology she received and move on.  Sometimes, that is just all we get in life.  An apology.  And some people just have the foresigh, knowledge, skills and ability to accept that. 

 

Perhaps she can use her 2 free Virgin Atl tickets and fly to Hollywood....

 

 

 
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September 19, 2007, 3:16 am PDT

09/18 Etiquette

Ok ladies and gentlemen. Now you have gone to far. Kyla was correct in hiring an attorney. Despite the half hearted apology from Southwest, her right to privacy and freedoms given to us by the Constitution of the United States have been violated by the airlines. Dr. Phil your comment about get over it girl and move on was out of line. If someone violated your privacy or anyone of your rights under the Constitution I can bet my last dollar that you would step right up and jump on the band wagon. PLEASE  I am a female and saw nothing wrong with her attire. Oh and by the way when she sat with her legs crossed like a lady should you could not see anything underneath the skirt. Get real.
 

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September 19, 2007, 3:59 am PDT

Just Bad Manners

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What drives me through the wall is someone who chews their ice!!!  I almost have to leave the room.  Anybody else have this problem?

I was taught that chewing with your mouth open was rude and bad manners.  I also can't stand the noise that peopl;e make chewing gum.  I have seen professional people speaking at functions chewing gum while they speak and it is so unprofessional but they obviously weren't taught proper manners as a child at home.  Joan should not be leaving the room but finding ways to teach her children that their behavior is unacceptable in public or at home.  Imagine Dr. Phil chomping on his gum during the show.  I ahve also had people answer the phone while smacking their gum or eating and i just hang up.  I can't stand the noice while trying to have an inyelligent conversation.
 
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September 19, 2007, 4:01 am PDT

good grief!!

How nice of Virgin Airlines to take advantage of this situation and do a little "PR"  Too bad they didn't instead offer some free flights to some poor family who needs to travel to bury a loved one.  We all know about "compassion flight fares" where there is no compassion!!

Kyla doesn't think she looked "trashy" because a huge percentage of the population dresses as she does so EVERYONE looks the same - "trashy".  Decency left the building a long time ago!!

Annoying kids.......you betcha!!  Too bad they can't have flights for "kids only".  No offense - families deserve to fly too - especially if they can afford it - but like a boozed up passenger, they are annoying!

 

 
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September 19, 2007, 4:15 am PDT

What does Hooter's pay?

Did anyone else wonder how a junior college student and Hooter's employee could afford to spend by her own account $250 for a plane ticket and fly Southwest over 100 times this year alone?  What job at Hooter's has their employees traveling 1/3 of the year and spending in excess of $25,000 on travel annually?  What's this girl up to because it sounds a little fishy to me.

 
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September 19, 2007, 4:30 am PDT

Shocked

I can understand Kyla being upset at being told to cover up. Mabe people didn't want to see her underwear when she sat down, who knows. What I do know is that the airline apologized but that is not what Kyla really wanted or she would not have an attorney. She had every intention of suing the airline and was just wanting to appear on all these different shows for nothing more than to say "Hey look at me, I am so beautiful and I got my feelings hurt".  All Kyla really wants is to be on TV and she wants a quick payday so she wont have to earn an honest living.

 

Kyla, what you need to do is grow up and get a life. The airline apologized and owes you nothing more than that.  The airline doesn't owe you a quick payday just because you wore a skimpy outfit that others found offensive. No one wants to see your underwear no matter how beautiful you think you are.

 
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September 19, 2007, 5:00 am PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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     I am really disappointed that you put Kyla on the spot the way you did today (9/18/07) as if she already hasn't been through enough embarrassment over the way Southwest treated her.  I'm sure that you know that the only real language large corporations speak is CASH.  If you want an apology from them that will last, and ensure that no one else has to endure the type of embarrassment Kyla has, you have to hit them where it counts.  You know  as well as I do that the only reason they apologized was the fear of having to pay Kyla.  I just really felt like you were  "plugging" southwest today, instead of fighting for Kyla's  rights.  The fact is that Kyla was treated in a way that no one should have to endure.  She should continue with sueing them.  We already know they are  sorry for what happened, and on top of that apology, they should pay the price for her hardship.  I still like your show, I just feel you are over stepping your bounds on telling her how to deal with this matter legally.  Thank you.  -Ryan
What hardship?? SHE is the one putting herself out there to be embarassed over and over and over. It's really disturbing that people like you think she is right and should sue....and remember, there are 2 sides to every story. We, so far, only have hers. I wish we could hear what the flight attendent has to say.....bet it'd be a whole nother ball of wax...
 
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