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Topic : 03/06 Etiquette Dilemmas

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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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September 19, 2007, 2:15 pm PDT

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Quote From: onoone02

I happen to see Kyla on the Today show with her mother and attorney. Matt interviewed her for several minutes in a close up shot. She was then asked to stand up and show the "outfit" she was wearing on that fateful day. The outfit was nice, the skirt in my opinion was a bit short, but what bothered me, was when she sat down, you could see her underwear; perhaps this was the situation on the plane. Was a family exposed to her exposure, and in trying to protect someone's innocence, did they complain?

 

Kyla said to begin with, she just wanted an apology...but now they are contemplating whether or not to file a lawsuit....is this another situation where a child being told "no" throws a tantrum and we are going to give into that "fit" ???? Our society has become a "I can do what I want no matter what"....laws are blatantly broken and another attorney makes more money and a name for themselves by defending a wrong doing. We need to start thinking others "rights"  as much as we think about our own...it may change society a little.

I saw the same show and this was exactly my thought.  If we all saw her underwear on national TV, I can't blame the people on Southwest, probably flying with their children, for complaining about her.  Her and her mother should be embarrassed that this happened and apologizing to the people on Southwest, not going on TV.  SHAME
 
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September 19, 2007, 2:41 pm PDT

Move On Kyla

As one who's family use to welcome Kyla into our home for years, please move on Kyla (and you too Michelle)  I am sure if people had access to Kyla's orginal "my space" everyone would have a clearer opinion of your story.  I am sure your attorney suggested for you to cancel your old account and start a new my space. Glad to hear you have time for a class or two  in between your shifts at Hooters.
 
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September 19, 2007, 3:14 pm PDT

Hello!

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Is this a joke? This is why airline tickets are expensive? Because they gave free tickets to someone they treated badly? 


I can tell you are all fired up over this subject, I have read several of your responses to quotes and original messages.  Unfortunately, you either responded to my message before you read it completely or simply misunderstood.  Let me clarify.  It is not the free tickets given away that cause ticket prices to rise (I would hope you didn't think anyone was stupid enough to believe such nonsense), but the fact that Kayla and others like her, don't want an apology or free tickets, they want to sue for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars.  Frivolous lawsuits are what generates higher ticket prices, not free tickets.
 
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September 19, 2007, 3:30 pm PDT

Thank You I'm not alone

I have had the noise issue forever and until now I thought I was the only one who it really made crazy. I now cringe when I’m with someone and see them pull out gum; I even quit chewing gum so that I wouldn’t have to offer a piece to someone else. I dread going to dinner with people, and no one seems to get it. I can’t control my response if I could stop it I would. Although other small noises bother me, they don’t to the same extreme of the smacking noises. It will actually make me lose my appetite if I’m eating with someone who is smacking. SO PLEASE DR. PHIL POST THOSE TIPS I NEED HELP!!!! And for the rest of people who noise makes crazy we can take comfort in knowing it might not be normal but at least we’re not alone.

 
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September 19, 2007, 3:34 pm PDT

CONTINENTAL AND SOUTHWEST...

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I saw the same show and this was exactly my thought.  If we all saw her underwear on national TV, I can't blame the people on Southwest, probably flying with their children, for complaining about her.  Her and her mother should be embarrassed that this happened and apologizing to the people on Southwest, not going on TV.  SHAME

 

Another reason not to fly...I have watched AIRLINE, the show on TV and am appalled how they treat people who get bumped, or have had a couple of drinks.  And now they are being randomly selective in not letting people fly who are dressed quite appropriately, and kicking mother's with children off their plane.  This is crazy.  These two airlines, and probably many more, have made flying a nightmare in many cases, as if 9/11 hasn't done enough.  I don't fly anymore.  I don't want to have to get to the airport 2 hours ahead of time and wait.  I don't want to face the high percentage of delayed flights.  I don't want to face the possibility of getting stuck on an airplane for hours or to get bumped.  And, if I lose my ticket, they would make me pay for another one, when they have the technology to verify that I already paid for one, and should just issue another one.  They don't accept doctor's excuses anymore, so if people are sick they fly anyway and try to cover up their sickness and the rest of the passengers wind up getting sick too.  It's ludricous!!! 

 

Airlines, like the rest of corporate America, think they can do exactly what they want to consumers.  Ever tried to communicate effectively with cell phone companies??  It's a nightmare.  This needs to stop.  I applaud anybody who files a lawsuit for being treated like the guests here.  It's about time, and it needs to stop.

 

Oh, and if I decide to ever fly again, I  will try Virgin Atlantic. 

 
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September 19, 2007, 3:44 pm PDT

Motives

Kyla obviously wants more than an apology.  What has happened to American stoicism?  Seriously, get over it.  Her attorney is NOT doing any public service, though I'm sure he's convinced himself of that to justify the big fat payoff he'll probably get for encouraging her to pursue it.

 

GREAT JOB to Dr. Phil for expressing his disproval of the ridiculous lawsuit--a total waste of resources.  Lawsuit or not, ALL airlines are going to be reviewing policy and retraining employees BECAUSE THEY DO CARE ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE, so her argument that she doesn't want it to happen to others is crap.

 
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September 19, 2007, 3:55 pm PDT

Move on??

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 Saw show.  Liked show.  Kyla is, no doubt, a very beautiful woman.  No one can argue with that.  (I am a female btw.)  It just appears to me she may have been using her 15 minutes of fame hoping to gain someones attentinon and get her free ticket on the infamous money train, not an airline. 

 

Will she follow thru with a lawsuit?  Most likely.  It probably won't cost her a dime as her attorney also appeared over zealous to become the next "Johnny Cochran". 

 

I hope she has the maturity level to accept the apology she received and move on.  Sometimes, that is just all we get in life.  An apology.  And some people just have the foresigh, knowledge, skills and ability to accept that. 

 

Perhaps she can use her 2 free Virgin Atl tickets and fly to Hollywood....

 

 

I don't want  Kyla to move on...because I don't want this to happen to me or to anyone else.   She may profit from the law suit - so??  More importantly we will all profit because maybe, (and that's a BIG maybe), these corporate bullys will stop.  If they treated passengers with more respect, they'd have more business.  Yet they whine because they're not making profit.  Are they THAT stupid?  They overbook and inconvenience thousands of passengers a year and wonder why more people don't fly.  The airports have bars, and expect passengers to wait around for hours for delayed flights.  Then, when passengers have a couple of drinks and are not unruly, they won't let them board.  Is this nuts or what???  I think a huge class action lawsuit is in order and all the people who have ever been treated terribly by the airlines should force them to change for the better.  I'll take having to look at someone who's dressed inappropriately, and I'll listen to a a bawling kid, and I'll sit next to a sticking person anyday.  It beats getting treated like these women got treated.  Only a nation of sheep would put up with this.

 

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September 19, 2007, 4:22 pm PDT

cALL THE whaaaaaaaaBULANCE

IT'S TOO BAD THAT SOMEONE TOLD HER NO TO HER OUTFIT THAT SHE DESPERATELY TRIED TO PULL DOWN ON THE TODAY SHOW. SHAME ON HER MOTHER FOR TEACHING HER DAUGHTER THAT WHEN THE WORLD DOESNT GO YOUR WAY, SUE EVERYONE AND SHOW YOUR BUTT ALL OVER T.V.

HAS ANYONE TOLD HER SHE IS 17 BUT LOOKS 30.  CAN' WAIT TO SEE HER IN 5 YEARS. 

SHE GOT HER APOLOGY, NOW LETS SEE IF SHE SUES SINCE "ALL i WANT IS AN APOLOGY  BOO HOO HOO."

 
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September 19, 2007, 4:27 pm PDT

Me too!

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I have suffered from this since I was 10 ( over 36 years).  I think it is a legitimate condition. It is awful to have and I wish I didn't, but I think Dr. Phil dismissed this problem too readily.  It is terrible to live with = I'd give anything not to 'have it'.

I can't remember not suffering from this. I wish it was a choice. I've seen therapists (one told me "well, that's just not normal") and even a hypnotherapist.

 

Yes, it is awful, and like you I wish Dr Phil would have given some clearer pointers...........I keep looking around on this site and so far I haven't found any tools.

 

I feel bad for my family and people around me, and it is just driving me sad and upset. I know most people have good manners, it's the normal noice too I can't take. And I wish I could, I would give anything..........

 
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September 19, 2007, 4:28 pm PDT

09/18 Etiquette

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I just want to say that I sympathize with the mother who went through that horrible experience having to leave the plane for a child that was too talkative.  I'd like to see the plane turned around and removed of all the annoying adults just the same.  The smelly ones, too, that I'm forced to sit next to.  Or the ones that snore loudly while napping.  In any event, apology or not, she is right to sue this airline to inflict punishment for this mistreatment.  Not only for herself, but for her child, and the rest of us moms.  An apology is not enough.

I wrote something similar yesterday......exactly, what about the adults who talk too much or are really loud, believe me I know plenty. Oh and don't get me started on the smelly ones...goodness gracious, can we say DEODORANT!!!!

 

I've had a lot of mistreatment from flight attendants and passengers while flying with my kids, even though they have never caused no reason for concern. Nobody told them to become flight attendants in the first place, what did they expect? Fly the friendly skies, but please no children allowed...Sorry, but were not going to stop flying to please everybody else. 

 
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