Topic : 03/06 Etiquette Dilemmas

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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:44:36 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/18/07) Does it annoy you to no end when someone uses a cell phone at the dinner table or chews with his or her mouth open? Along with author Peggy Post, Dr. Phil tackles the dos and don’ts of etiquette. One issue making recent headlines is appropriate in-flight attire. Kyla was flying to Phoenix on Southwest Airlines when an employee informed her that her outfit was too skimpy. Kyla saw nothing wrong with the way she was dressed and was appalled when she was asked to cover up. Did the airline go overboard, or was Kyla too tantalizing for take-off? Then, Kate took her 19-month-old son on his first flight, but she was removed from the plane when he became too talkative. Was the airline out of line for telling Kate to shut her baby up? Peggy Post weighs in on this polarizing problem. And, Joan says she doesn’t have any peace at home because of all the noise her family makes – from loud chewing to clinking dinnerware. Her husband, Bob, says he and their three children have to walk on eggshells around Joan just to eat dinner. Is Joan overly sensitive, or does her family need to be reined in? Plus, meet a woman who says her husband’s bad manners didn’t disturb her until she had a baby, and a guest who nominated herself as having the worst etiquette in the country! Share your own etiquette peeves and join the discussion.

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September 22, 2007, 10:30 pm PDT

Your are certainly welcome. :)

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I want to thank you for shining a light on this topic.  You have made a difference to a lot of people.  It was so brave of you to go on national tv about something most people can't tell their best friend.  My son has this condition.  He has been punished by my husband and me for ruining dinners or restaurant visits.  We thought it was defiant behavior.  We did not understand his pain.  Now I pray I can figure out how to help him.  Thanks you again for your courage.  You are a good teacher to your kids!
I am hoping that a lot of people can be helped as  result of drawing more awareness to this.  It is not a simple pet peeve we are talking about. It IS something that does effect our daily lives and relationships with those we love. 

I can remember even as a child, that I was bothered by slurping sounds and scraping sounds. 

I hope we can all continue to visit here to learn from one another and hopefully resolve the underlying causes of our sound sensitivity issues. 

One thing I have thought of since the show is how my husband and I went round and round over how to cook spaghetti.  He liked to leave the noodles long so the kids could enjoy sucking them in and I break them in 4ths so they can't be slurped in.  If he cooks the spaghetti, I will sneak in there and use a spatula or something to cut it even if he has already placed it in the pot.  LOL   If I have to, I will take a fork and knife and cut all of their spaghetti into little bite size pieces after I put it on the plate.  ;)  Just another one of those "things". 
 
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September 23, 2007, 2:55 am PDT

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Could Joan possibly have Adult Attention Deficite Disorder?  ADDers are frequently disturbed by noises that irritate them: like chewing & smacking, pencil clicking, gum popping, clock ticking, etc.  I know, I live with one who can be extremely irritated by things that I barely hear.  Medication has helped a whole lot in our situation!

 

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There is also a hearing disorder where ALL sounds come into the brain with the same intensity so you can not distinquish individuals ones, you physically can't ignore sounds because they are there.  It has nothing to do with stress other then increased stress is an end result.    I was diagnosed with this as a child and they said I would grow out of it.   Never did grow out of it.   I can not read with any background noise, all conversations at all tables come into my brain with the same intensity so I hear conversations 2 tables away as well as I hear the one at my table.   I am assulted by noise from the time I get up until bed.  Unfortunately I have been told there is nothing I can do about it except wear ear plugs or noise killing head phones.   And neither of those work very well at all in work situations.   There are those of us out there for whom there is no 'background' noise it is all the same intensity as the person standing in front of us speaking directly to us.   We CAN'T tune it out and ignore it.   Dr Phil was much too glib when he dismissed the lady's problem with the noise problem.   Made me mad enough to bother register here and type this.   I am sooooooooooooooooooo tired of people saying 'just ignore it'.
 
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September 23, 2007, 12:33 pm PDT

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I agree.  While I realize that safety briefings on airplanes are so routine that not everyone listens to them or takes them seriously, it sounds as if this mother could have toned her baby down a bit.  I have to wonder how many people on the plane that toddler annoyed, but they just aren't speaking up.  I know that if I had had to wait for a flight for 11 hours, I would be sympathetic to the mom, but I also don't want to sit there and hear her baby constantly repeating the same thing.

 

However, the flight attendant did handle the situation inappropriately.  I think a smile and a "Ma'am, since we're going over the safety regulations, could you please distract your child into doing something else so everyone can hear?" would have been just fine.  Or better yet, the flight attendant could have included the child in the safety briefing.  I have seen flight attendants who allowed toddlers to "help" them by holding the safety item they are about to demonstrate, and that is very effective - it not only distracts the child, but it helps him/her feel as if flying isn't quite so bad! 

Are you kidding me???  I wonder how many people who are weighing in on this topic have actually flown with their own small children?  It is lovely to hear that some have quiet, docile children who will sit quietly but reality is that all children have different personalities, and some are not "bratty" or bad, just spirited and busy.  I have a 20 month old child who is generally easy to deal with and we can usually take her to any restaurant and know she will not disturb or annoy the other diners.  However, after being confined in her car seat on the way to the airport, then in her stroller during check in and waiting to board, by the time we are on the airplane she is wanting to move around.  We are parents who actively parent--we give choices, and time-outs and do not let our child run wild anywhere, nonetheless, trying to control my daughter on a plane is a challenge.  She is a normal, busy, active toddler who doesn't understand why she has to be held in place, or constantly shushed.  Children of this age have short attention spans and toys, snacks, etc... have only limited usefulness.  Let me tell you, during the flight I am probably more stressed out about keeping my child from bothering others than others are stressed out about my child bothering them!!!  I am fairly certain that the mom in question probably felt the same way, even though her child wasn't out of control or nasty.  When I arrive at the other end of a flight I feel as if I have been through a war I am so tired and stressed especially if my child was particularly active that trip, mainly because I really do care about the other people on the flight!  Not to mention that I don't want to hear a squawking child for hours on end any more than anyone else does! 

 

Traveling parents who actively try to manage their kids need to be cut some slack by those who have forgotten or do not know what it is like.  Please keep in mind that we have to travel too and in general we don't want our kids to be out of control anymore than you do!  Also, let's not forget that the mom and babe in the show had been delayed in the airport for 11 hours ahead of time so it is amazing he was as cheerful as he was and not screaming from the get-go.

 
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September 23, 2007, 5:39 pm PDT

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I agree with except for your comment on the short skirt. I don't want my children exposed to women dressed provocatively. I don't want my girls to dress like that. And I don't want my boys to find that attractive. Her skirt is a lot shorter than she wore it on the show...on a previous talk show she was on it was up at her crotch. Women might dress that way at clubs...fine, I don't go there...my children don't go there. But, on a family airline I don't find it appropriate.

I understand your position.  What about on a family beach?  Women generally wear bikinis ...................
 
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September 23, 2007, 6:08 pm PDT

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I can't believe that girl who flew Southwest... yes she got her point across and the fact she plans on suing them shows she did not just want the apology and her 15 minutes of fame but now it just shows that she is money hungry, and cloggin up the justice system

How on gods green earth do these sueing people find lawyers to represent them.?

When a vet blinded my dog and eventually killed her I could not find any lawyer interested in giving me and my dog justice. A major drug company was involved in the drugs used that blinded her. All the lawyers would say is "a dog is property". No money in that kind of representation. I was out $5000 attempting to save her and lost the dog any way,

 
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September 23, 2007, 7:08 pm PDT

Good to hear from you, Joan

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I am hoping that a lot of people can be helped as  result of drawing more awareness to this.  It is not a simple pet peeve we are talking about. It IS something that does effect our daily lives and relationships with those we love. 

I can remember even as a child, that I was bothered by slurping sounds and scraping sounds. 

I hope we can all continue to visit here to learn from one another and hopefully resolve the underlying causes of our sound sensitivity issues. 

One thing I have thought of since the show is how my husband and I went round and round over how to cook spaghetti.  He liked to leave the noodles long so the kids could enjoy sucking them in and I break them in 4ths so they can't be slurped in.  If he cooks the spaghetti, I will sneak in there and use a spatula or something to cut it even if he has already placed it in the pot.  LOL   If I have to, I will take a fork and knife and cut all of their spaghetti into little bite size pieces after I put it on the plate.  ;)  Just another one of those "things". 

Hi Joan,

 

I'm glad you wrote back. Yes, it is nice to know we are not alone with our sound-issues, but I just wish one of us would find the secret to recovery and share it. That's why I am hoping that Dr Phil will look into this and help us out. Please PLEEAAAAAASE Dr Phil?

 

We cut spaghetti up with scissors ;o) The kids think it's fun and have no idea it's to accomodate their Misophonia-Mommy. It's so nice to know that I'm not a mean witch, that's what I thought I was, just a prissy meaner, but now I know I can't help it. Huge relief..............but still so hard to live with (also for me!)

 

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September 27, 2007, 1:25 pm PDT

The girl with the very shor skirt on the airplane.

I didn't know which show to post this under since you don't have up on the message boards. I agree with the flight attendant who asked her to cover up. I'm I the only one who saw her on the news sit down? When she did you could see all the way up to her ..... I wouldn't want my teenage son or my husband to be distracted by that. I can't believe how much sympathy that woman, or should I say girl, got. Just because she's cute with a great figure does not mean we all want to see all the way up between her legs. lyds3kids
 

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September 27, 2007, 1:35 pm PDT

I agree with the airline

When the girl with the extra short skirt sat down, on the news, you could see all the way up. Yes, all the way to her panties. She should have apologized to the people on the flight who had to look up her skirt every time they walked by. I would have been upset if my teenage son had to have that as a distraction on a flight or anywhere else. Show some decency girl and cover yourself! Just because you have a good figure doesn't mean everyone wants to see your underpants! I could not believe how much sympathy she got from the media!! Shame on them.
 
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September 28, 2007, 10:44 pm PDT

Where?

Caspurr did you find the information on the sounds. My family would love it if I could get past all the noises. Sometime my family just breathing bothers me. I don't like to be this way!! The more I try not to be the worse it seems to be! HELP!
 
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September 29, 2007, 1:37 am PDT

Misophonia

Our little discussion got broken up while the new boards were being installed. Read through some of the stories that we have been sharing. And google the word above. I know that there is a Dr in Atlanta and one in London who claim to have expertise in this condition and hyperacusis. Other than that we haven't gotten much in the way of treatment other than ear plugs and relaxation techniques. But it is a start to know that you are not alone and that there is a name for this other than "crazy." Good luck and write back if you want.
 

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