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Topic : 03/26 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

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Created on : Friday, September 14, 2007, 03:47:34 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/20/07) Most everyone has thought about removing imperfections -- a nip here, a tuck there. But some people want plastic surgery to erase their ethnic identity! First up is James. He says he doesn’t want to change anything about himself because Asians are intellectually superior, and women should obey men. His wife, Roseanna, says he’s a controlling racist who demeans women, and she says she needs help before he corrupts their 11-year-old son. James says he’s ready to serve Roseanna her walking papers if she doesn’t become more obedient. Is James a controlling bigot or simply misunderstood? Then, Dr. Phil explores the pros and cons of eyelid surgery -- one of the most common cosmetic procedures for Asian women … and one of the most controversial! He talks to a woman who had a fold added to her upper eyelid, a plastic surgeon who performs these procedures and two guests who believe the surgery erases Asian heritage. Plus, Brad says he hates his nose, and he wants plastic surgery to look less Italian. His mother, Debbie, says she loves the way he looks -- big schnoz and all! Brad’s surgery is only a month away. Can Debbie convince him he's perfect just the way he is before he goes under the knife? Talk about the show here.

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September 20, 2007, 9:52 pm PDT

09/20 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

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One time Oprah had this doctor on her show and he said that it is true that black men are "bigger" and that white men are next bigger, then Latin men, then Asian men. If you think about it in reverse, that means that Asian women are the smallest. Like they wear a size 4 or 2 dress, they are very tiny. So, it probably makes white men feel like they are really big. With men, it's all about sex. It sounds beyond stupid and graffic, but I bet that's why all these rich white guys are just dying over the Asian ladies. I mean, I'm a really pretty white women, and I could never figure out how to marry a rich man. These ladies are nothing to look at and they have these men eating out of their hands. It's got to be because they are so intelligent and the sex. I can't figure it out, because if you evaluate the features, it's all the same color hair and eyes, no blue, hazel or green eyes, no blonde or red or brown hair. The features are course and very unattractive, but they have the rich white men thinking they are the bees knees. I wish I could do it. I think it's sad they don't want Asian men and that they are so focused on money. I wish they would tell me what it is they do to land these guys.

OMG - there is so much WRONG with this post.

 

Talk about racism...

 

 
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September 20, 2007, 10:03 pm PDT

09/20 "Change My Face, Change My Race"

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  James here is a ideal if you think that Asians are so intellectually superior. Then buy yourself a plane ticket  or a box and some stamps and go back to you home land. And your wife needs to get away from you and get help for her and her children. And then go find a REAL man that would LOVE her for who she is and not treat her the way you do. It's people like you that keep the hate and racist going on in the world.

Uhh, how do you know the US isn't his homeland?   (There have been Asians in N. America for hundreds of years - starting with Filipinos in New Orleans in the 1600s.)

 

And it's not like there aren't white, black, Hispanic or native American males with similar attitudes - would you have suggested the same to them?   (Where would the native American go?)

 

Methinks that you also need to work on your views.

 
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September 20, 2007, 10:13 pm PDT

Thanks for stereotyping

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 It sounds like you have a envious hatred for asian women. Maybe you should quit looking for a sugar daddy and search for a person with a good heart. I am a white guy and yes, we do love asian women. The reason being, most of them are not materialistic and take care of you, while some white women want to be pampered every second and just take you for granted. Maybe you should get an asian woman friend and get some pointers.
By the way, why are so many white women going with black men. Answer that. It really doesn't matter, it is just who you are attracted to.

Uhh, you DO know that there is also a stereotype of Asian women being overly materialistic and spoiled - which shows how stupid these stereotypes are.

 

You really haven't helped much by stereotyping Asian women as well ([they] "take care of you").

 

Whether a woman (or man, btw) is materialistic/spoiled or not has nothing to do with race - you can find women from one gamut to another in every race and/or ethnicity.

 

 
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September 20, 2007, 10:14 pm PDT

let them be

 Who are we to judge someone else for wanting to make changes that would make them feel better or that will make them better looking? We all buy nice clothes, brush our hair, and we put make-up on. How is that any different? Same on the woman for judging Brad - she doesn't have a big nose! How does she know how he feels? Last year I fixed my teeth - they filled two gaps and did a gum lift. It was very painful but you know, I'll do it again if I had the choice. I just stumbled across a photo where I was smiling in 2003. Jeez, what a difference. How nice not to have to worry about how I turn my head when I smile for a photo or be judged for my "bad teeth"? Just let them do what they want and support them. Now if they keep on changing themselves so that it runs their lives, then they need help. That probably means that things are out of control. For the rest, just let them be. We all try to look better.
 
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September 20, 2007, 10:21 pm PDT

Zest for life is not a green light for a nose job!

Dr. Phil your advice is usually right on except for what you told Brad the man of Italian origin.

You said that because he has a zest for life it's ok to have a nose job. Just because one has a zest for life does not mean he has a zest for his body or ethnic self esteem which just so happens to be a part of life. His mom and aunt were right on. Instead of cutting down your body, stand up for who you are. It's a life long thing sure to stand up for yourself especially if you are ethnic. When people stand up and feel good about themselves it's hard for anyone to put them down because the other person realizes they can't.

 

Brad needed to change his attitude not his nose. It's sad because meditteranian people or fair people are constantly given the message that it's ok to change thier bodies. The nose job thing is huge. From Spain to North India mediterranian people are given the message it's ok to change...had he been darker instead of "almost caucasian" maybe people would feel different about telling him it's ok to change a part of his body. Fair skinned and mediterranian are constanlty given the message and green light to change. Especially our nose.

 
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September 20, 2007, 10:47 pm PDT

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Dr. Phil your advice is usually right on except for what you told Brad the man of Italian origin.

You said that because he has a zest for life it's ok to have a nose job. Just because one has a zest for life does not mean he has a zest for his body or ethnic self esteem which just so happens to be a part of life. His mom and aunt were right on. Instead of cutting down your body, stand up for who you are. It's a life long thing sure to stand up for yourself especially if you are ethnic. When people stand up and feel good about themselves it's hard for anyone to put them down because the other person realizes they can't.

 

Brad needed to change his attitude not his nose. It's sad because meditteranian people or fair people are constantly given the message that it's ok to change thier bodies. The nose job thing is huge. From Spain to North India mediterranian people are given the message it's ok to change...had he been darker instead of "almost caucasian" maybe people would feel different about telling him it's ok to change a part of his body. Fair skinned and mediterranian are constanlty given the message and green light to change. Especially our nose.

Yes, Italian's are caucasian. Not saying they aren't. They are also mediterranian, which is scientifically a white race. It's just that mediterranians are not thought of as the classic white beauty. It seems to me if a person is fair, meditteranian or white people often give the green light to have a nose job or change other parts of their body just so long as they "have a good head on thier shoulders". Meditteranian people are espcially encouraged and rarely stopped from getting a nose job.
 
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September 20, 2007, 10:52 pm PDT

The Nose

 Brad
 Your nose is not what makes you Italian.  Your heritage, your grandparents and parents, and the traditions that your family shares, this is what makes you Italian.   I applaud your decision!  You will look great!

 
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September 20, 2007, 11:18 pm PDT

Faulty Logic (Brad's nose)

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 Brad
 Your nose is not what makes you Italian.  Your heritage, your grandparents and parents, and the traditions that your family shares, this is what makes you Italian.   I applaud your decision!  You will look great!

Faulty Logic

talian "your nose is not what makes you italian it is your heritage" so change your nose

Black: "your skin color is not what makes your black it is your heritage" so change your color

Asian: "your eyes are not what makes you asian it is your heritage" so change your eyes

Hispanic: :" your hair color does not make you hispanic it is your heritage" so change your hair color

 

That logic simply does not work! The human body, the human features is a part of us. The features of our ancestrial lands is a part of our heritage. Our body is a part of our heritage. Why is it ok to say that to Brad?

 

And Brad did state he wants to look less Italian. He said it! He wants to look more "caucasian" more like "himself" Somehow having a roman nose makes him less caucasian, less himself!

 

You wouldn't use that logic for any other race....why Brad....the caucasian race of meditteranians have always been subject to this. The more lighter, fair, or white one is the more it's ok to have surgery, especially to match traditional "caucasian beauty"

 

And Brad what do you mean you want to look more like yourself...you think people won't get to know you as person because of your nose...and if you look more caucasian then people will get to know you for your pesonality and not spend thier time judging you on your "ethnic nose"....even as we speak people can get to know you for who you are!

 

 

 
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September 20, 2007, 11:24 pm PDT

What year is this??? Caveman on a comeback

Dr. Phil and Staff, How in the world did you find this caveman?  His ideas/beliefs are not only from another century but he actually defends his pathetic treatment of his wife and his views.

It is very sad really; he is living a life based in fear and self-loathing.

 

A person is intelligent whether they have had a formal education or not. I know many "educated " people that have no common sense or street smarts and many brilliant people, street smart, great common sense, compassion, original and dynamic.

 

These so called educated people can be so closed minded, get their opinions from the top ten list, follow every trend, quote people almost as if they came up with it and are just boring...

 

I saw the "who is prettier" test and am shocked, the Asian woman is beautiful, the black woman is also very beautiful and the blond is boring, but pretty.  I heard someone say the definition of beauty is the blond "Hollywood' look. YUK!!! My personal opinion is most of the "starlets" in holly wood look like prostitutes with fake everything... fake breasts, bleached hair, capped teeth, fake eyelashes, fake tan, fake butt, fake lips (injected with God only knows) and look horrible but all look alike!!!  Why people are insecure is beyond me, why they buy into the "one definition" of beauty is just stupid.  So much evidence of the opposite is true, so much has been said over and over that it matters more who you are, and what you look like puts you on a prostitute level...  People obsessed with looks only are a pain in the butt.  Either they are setting up, going to or coming from an appointment to get something done.  They are so absorbed by their "look" that they never had time to develop any other quality, they have never dedicated any thought or time to helping or be concerned about others or anything else but themselves so that is just boring and so one dimensional.

 

The husband that thinks he is superior to his wife, that he is or should be the leader, she must do what he wants or she can leave, is just a scared little boy. The fact that he pouted when she didn’t want to have sex with the person that just insulted her shows what an immature, small minded (and probably small everywhere and totally insecure about not being much of a man) self sabotaging, destructive person.  The more he insists that he is superior, or smarter it reveals that he doesn’t have the confidence and is trying to pull it out of others.  It is really sad, I am certain the wife is tired of having to poof his ego, listen to his insults and put up with his demeaning ways and can leave but hasn’t because of the child.  Dr. Phil will help this guy, I hope that he will watch the show when he gets home, reads all of Dr. Phil’s books and really "gets" it, change his life and attitude so that he life a more enjoyable life, and make the life of his family more valuable and enjoyable. 

 

The media and corporations spend billions of dollars to manipulate the people of the world with repetitive messages bombarding the TV, radio, newspaper, billboards and internet with these messages for financial gain by "selling" their idea of the ever changing look of beauty, (as long as it is unattainable to most) the description of success and dependence on products or material goods to support the quest for happiness is criminal.   The airbrushed glossed over images of Hollywood is so misleading and steers the public in the wrong direction... like.

 

Let all the blondes hair grow out the natural color, remove all the fake boobs, teeth, tan, and such, and put up for discussion the value of these so called stars... all they really did was memorize some lines, sing a song or pretend that they are somebody or something.  The athlete that makes millions of dollars to run, catch or throw... is put up on a similar pedestal but not because anyone thinks they are really great or deserve the attention. It is that the agents, arena owners, television shows, product endorsements and commercials pay so much money, that this group of so called businessmen hype up these players to the public so they can make more money off of the public.

 

The reason we are so drawn to this is because we are all fed messages over and over again until it becomes a topic for discussion, but really we are forced into being interested and some are more easily impressed, led, swayed or brainwashed than others, especially the young.

 

With that in mind, thousands of brilliant scientists, teachers, volunteers, inventors, writers and artists are being ignored, passed over and given none of the well deserved credit and respect because they don’t have a money hungry agent selling and smoozing them into fame and fortune.

 

Why Brittany Spears holds all of the headlines that she wears $500 a pair of underwear once, then throws them away and the scientist that discovered that the earth's axis was damaged/altered by the tsunami and did hundreds of mathematic calculations and figured out a way to fix it with a laser beam bounced off of a satellite station saving all of mankind should be on the front page but... was on the bottom of page 19... is a shame and an indication of where the priorities of this society are.

 

The government is robbing us in every way, selling us down the river and lying to us but we wont hear about it because the government uses the media to distract the public so they can get on with the corruption. 

OJ gets the Top story slot because he breaks the law, thinks he is above the same laws that all of us have to follow while the story of CountryWide Mortgage investing their employees retirement fund in Countrywide stock!!!!! and restricting the employees from selling their stock while the executives are all dumping theirs, gets the small time slot before the weather and traffic update.  PEOPLE, IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP AND CHANGE THE WAY THINGS ARE. 

 

Just because everyone else gets a tattoo, a piercing, wears baggy clothes, drives a SUV and gets a big screen TV doesn’t mean that it is the thing to do, is not the definition of success, or happiness.  Stop listening to the commercials, lets all have a break and reconsider what we want and need out of life and then do it.  Think outside of the box, take back our government, be good to each other, learn how to treat our loved ones, friends and co-workers, think individually and put a stop to the greed and dishonesty in this country... Lets make it a better place for us all.

 

Dr. Phil really started the "cut through the BS", question the ways that are "traditional" and make changes for the better. We can join up with this new (and right) way of thinking and make things good again.

 

Best to all

 
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September 20, 2007, 11:28 pm PDT

wow

Quote From: catherine30

One time Oprah had this doctor on her show and he said that it is true that black men are "bigger" and that white men are next bigger, then Latin men, then Asian men. If you think about it in reverse, that means that Asian women are the smallest. Like they wear a size 4 or 2 dress, they are very tiny. So, it probably makes white men feel like they are really big. With men, it's all about sex. It sounds beyond stupid and graffic, but I bet that's why all these rich white guys are just dying over the Asian ladies. I mean, I'm a really pretty white women, and I could never figure out how to marry a rich man. These ladies are nothing to look at and they have these men eating out of their hands. It's got to be because they are so intelligent and the sex. I can't figure it out, because if you evaluate the features, it's all the same color hair and eyes, no blue, hazel or green eyes, no blonde or red or brown hair. The features are course and very unattractive, but they have the rich white men thinking they are the bees knees. I wish I could do it. I think it's sad they don't want Asian men and that they are so focused on money. I wish they would tell me what it is they do to land these guys.
too bad they dont have an emote for dumbfounded they could use a picture of my face when I read this comment I really wouldnt mind I have needed it before but...... I should only say that I am in no way qualified to comment on the amount of things that are absolutely insulting to your own intelligence that you chose to share with all of us and, I can assure you that you are not alone when it comes to this topic. I can also assure you that I am not either in my opinion. (This reply could be duplicated to a lot of people but I chose to pick on you) Not the topic of the message board ( your topic). You can bet your sweet a** you are keeping the people who screen this board busy with saving you from a ton of opinions that are not appropriate postings for this sight. You used a huge stick to stir this pot because let me tell you it is full! Classifying an entire race of women as money hungry and unattractive. Implying that they all look the same. Thats bold! WOW...................................Opinions really are like ********* some just plain stink!
 
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